Republicans Are Stuck On Shutdowns

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Philip H says:

    As you might guess, I have many thoughts:

    – In nearly 22 years as a fed I have yet to see regular order appropriations. CRs for weeks to months, and shutdowns. I have joked that if I ever do it will be my signal to retire.

    – The GOP has spent 40 years yelling that government should be run like a business. I know of no business that intentionally prevents itself from spending revenue (which is what a lapse in appropriations is) to force a couple of its business units to agree on a course of action for the next year. It just reinforces the idea that the GOP doesn’t want to govern.

    – In the OP’s realm – air traffic controllers and weather service forecasters will still be working without pay 1 October and there after. among many others. Talk about a morale killer.

    – As Congressional staff can’t work during a furlough, the Freedom caucus is sticking it to their own staff. To prove nothing and change nothing. Let that sink in.Report

  2. North says:

    Good thoughts in general David. A couple of my own.
    -The media’s nonsensical media alignment (which is distinct from conservative or, a very small number of, liberal leaning media institutions and encompasses most major media that aren’t in the GOP Prada wheelhouse) is on especially glaring display when they talk about this. If McCarthy were to schedule a vote for the Senate bills that are on offer (which adhere to the framework the GOP, including McCarthy, previously agreed to during the debt limit showdown) then the budget would pass easily with all Democratic congressfolk and a handful of Republican ones voting for it. McCarthy has the votes, the only dysfunction is in that the GOP has its own internal rules that prevent him from scheduling one. The media acts like this is some kind of fact of political nature rather than a very specific choice the GOP has made. As usual with one unlovable but typical centrist liberal party and one deranged zombie rump party the media is utterly desperate to cast the two as, somehow, equivalent or near parity when it is nowhere near the case.

    -I’m assuming McCarthy’s plan of play is to drive the shutdown into a ditch and suffer it until the livid elderly right-wing voters stop getting their SS checks and force the wingnuts into backing down. Presumably he then gets to remain Speaker and will then turn his attention to, somehow, persuading the electorate that his posse of idiots should remain in charge of the house majority. Has there been a more pitiful and venal Speaker in recent history? Paul Ryan at least believed in -something- (even if it was just gutting safety nets and lavishing money on plutocrats) and Boehner actually got some things done.

    -As usual the iron rule of institutions is hard at work. What is good for the wing nuts is bad for both the GOP as a whole, Conservativism as a whole and the country.Report

  3. DensityDuck says:

    (a useful thing to remember in the discussion of the 2018-2019 shutdown is that Trump got the money.)Report

  4. Chip Daniels says:

    Here in California back in the 90s, the Republicans also used to force shutdowns on a recurring basis, in some cases ending with state employees getting IOUs instead of checks.
    Once the Republicans were banished from power and Democrats assumed a supermajority, the budget is passed like clockwork every year.Report

  5. Philip H says:

    McCarthy has lost control:

    They had planned to be in session over the weekend to pass a stop-gap bill, but the decision to send members home shows they lack the votes to avoid a government shutdown. The move came after House Republicans dramatically bucked Speaker Kevin McCarthy and GOP leadership on a procedural vote over a Pentagon funding bill, with the members now not set to return to session until next week.

    Thursday’s failed vote marks yet another blow to McCarthy as he faces a major leadership test and threats over his ouster, and Congress inches ever closer to a potential shutdown at the end of next week. The defense funding bill that was derailed by the vote typically garners widespread bipartisan support, a sign of how even usually uncontroversial issues have become mired down in Republican infighting.

    With government funding set to expire at the end of next week, persistent opposition from a bloc of far-right conservatives has continued to thwart the House GOP leadership agenda, threatening to paralyze the House floor in the process.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/politics/house-government-shutdown-negotiations-latest/index.htmlReport

    • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

      It looks like CNN pulled that last sentence of opinion from the article.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

        That’s what you consider most important about this story?

        Fascinating.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

          It was the most interesting comment I could think of. I’m always interested in retractions and edits, and when an outfit like CNN realizes it’s doing too much editorializing that does catch my eye.

          As for the rest of the story, yeah, it’s not really news that McCarthy doesn’t have control of the House, or that some Republicans are dissatisfied with the Defense budget.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

            They didn’t pass a defense appropriation. Unlike the other three furloughs I’ve been in as a fed. That means come Sunday the only people reporting to duty at the pentagon or elsewhere will be in uniform. No civilians running the PX or BX – or doing any of the thousand and one other things they do to support war fighters. That’s unprecedented best I can tell – and hurts a generally conservative political constituency.Report

  6. CJColucci says:

    It was the most interesting comment I could think of.

    I’ll take your word for it.Report

  7. DavidTC says:

    Here is my thoughts on a shutdown:

    Everyone goes home.

    No, seriously, Biden should make it clear in the event of a shutdown, everyone just goes home.

    Because this is nonsense. It’s actually _illegal_ for private businesses to demand people work without pay, or even _request_ they work without pay. And it’s completely absurd our government has decided it can do it…I know they are not subject to that law, but we have a fundamental agreement in this country that people cannot be asked to work for free to keep a job.

    So we can’t do that. Government stops paying people, everyone stops working. I’d be willing to allow the absolute minimum of constitutional positions to remain filled, like Congress and the President which also would allow the government to undo this, but EVERYONE ELSE goes home.

    Everyone. Air traffic controllers. Federal marshals and judges. Guards at Federal prisons. (After letting the prisoners out, can’t leave them there with no guards.) The entire US military. US Navy, feel free to abandon ships in place…try to shut down any nuclear reactors first, I guess.

    EVERYONE. It’s over, shut it down as safely but quickly as you can, and go home.

    We choose not to pay government employees, congratulations, we cannot ask them to continue to work for us, period.

    It is utterly absurd we even have this as a concept.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to DavidTC says:

      All too often in our political system, we decide to _work with_ lunatics who are trying to blow everything up and attempt to find way to soften the blow where everything doesn’t blow up. They get to hold an explosive while we desperately attempt to figure out a way that the explosion won’t take out as many people, attempting to set up barricades and evacuate people and negotiate with the hostage takers.

      No.

      We need to look them in the face and say ‘Yeah, go ahead and do that. Set off that bomb in here with all these people. Blow yourself up. See what happens. See if that’s what the American people want.’

      It’s the same with the debt ceiling…don’t find a way around it, just say ‘Okay, well, if we aren’t making any more money, and we constitutionally have to pay all debts, debts we cannot afford, the very first thing is to stop incurring _new_ debts. So, I guess I’m immediately firing all people who are not currently employed paying existing debts. I guess the entire US military is getting fired.”Report