Mini-Throughput: Floaty Rock Edition
So, the one question I have been asked for the last week, over and over, is what I thought of the Oppenheimer movie. I am preparing a video review that I will post here. But the second question is about the reported room-temperature superconductor. Is it real? Is it fake? Will it make my iPhone better?
Well, let’s back up.
Every material in existence, as far as we know, resists the passage of electrons through it. But that resistance varies. For some materials, which we call conductors, the resistance is low. So we use these to pipe electricity all over the world. Other materials, which we can insulators, have high resistance and we use them to keep electricity confined to where it should be. But even the best conductors have some resistance. So when electricity flows through them, some energy is lost as waste heat.
About a century ago, however, it was discovered that, under certain conditions, some materials become superconductive. The resistance abruptly drops to zero. These materials also eject magnetic fields, which means that magnets will float over them. For a long time, this only happened at extremely low temperatures. But in the 1980s, the theoretically impossible happened — superconductivity was found in materials above the temperature of liquid nitrogen. This not only expanded the practical applications of superconductors — MRI machines use them — it raised the tantalizing possibility of room-temperature superconductors, materials that did not require any special conditions to superconduct. Over the last few years, such materials have been found, but only at extreme pressure. And some of those claims are in dispute or have been disproven.
It’s hard to overstate how revolutionary it would be if we developed a room-temperature superconductor. It would mean huge increase in grid efficiency, basically a giant wad of free carbon-neutral energy. It would mean massive gains in computing power, cheap maglev trains and even better electronics.
So you can understand the excitement when, a couple of weeks ago, two papers appeared on the online preprint server arXiv claiming to have produced a room-temperature and ambient pressure superconductor. The material could apparently be created quite easily in a lab in a short period of time. But then confusion erupted as people wondered what the hell was being claimed. The papers had obvious errors and flaws which the authors claimed was a result of a team member going rogue and putting the paper out before it was ready. Labs around the world are trying to replicate the process but it’s not clear what exactly what was done and we have conflicting claims on the initial results. You can read a somewhat tongue-in-cheek summary here. A more serious summary concludes:
Two independent research teams, one in India and the other in China, claimed to have recreated LK-99 and confirmed the structure aligned with the original paper, but neither found evidence of superconductivity. A levitating sample of LK-99 has been reported at another lab in China, but that doesn’t necessarily prove superconductivity either. Research into the properties of LK-99 by Sinead Griffin at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory found that superconductivity was one explanation for the results, but that “a wealth of other phenomena like metal insulator transitions, charge density waves” and others could explain the results. The material seems to at least be unusual, and researchers are continuing to dig into its properties.
The obvious parallel is cold fusion. Commercially-viable nuclear fusion has been a goal of plasma physics for decades. In 1989, a group claimed to have achieved it with a tabletop apparatus at room temperature. However, investigation by other groups failed to reproduce the results. The parallels are somewhat disturbing: the cold fusion team were also somewhat opaque about their technique, also lacked expertise in some of the relevant fields and were also pursuing a somewhat fringe theory of how a challenging physical process could be achieved.
It’s impossible to draw any strong conclusions under these circumstance. We are still in the early days of more reputable labs trying to both figure out what was done and reproduce it in laboratory conditions. So at this point, the long and short of it is this:
- The development of a room-temperature and ambient-pressure superconductor would be the biggest technological breakthrough since Ben Franklin got a buzz from a kite.
- The circumstances of this discovery are very sus. I suspect that what they have found is a different physical effect that, while interesting, is not superconductivity. Included in this possibility is that while they haven’t discovered room temperature superconductivity, they have found something that will lead to it.
- However, we are in the early phases of replication. In a few weeks, we should know one way or the other.
So my response to this is a shrug emoji. It could be the most important discovery in our lifetimes. It could be nothing. It could be anywhere in between. But the good news is that science works. And it’s working now. And so watch this space when the final results are in.
There is a lesbian tankie catgirl out there who is attempting to replicate this in a home lab and is showing pictures of floaty rocks.
I’ve been digging through various threads and there was a great one (THAT I NOW CAN’T FIND!) that explained that this was related to electron shells. Like, the chemists are apparently finding an alloy that has the electron shells set up juuuuust right to allow a free flow.
But this one apparently is saying that this isn’t quite that, but more like electrons moving as if they were those executive inertia balls.
Which, if I understand it correctly, this wouldn’t be a superconductor but something in between a conductor and a superconductor.
It might be a third thing.
WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME.
And part of me keeps leaping back and forth between “WHY HASN’T THIS BEEN REPLICATED BY A NON-ANON YET?” and “these things take time”.
And seeing what the lesbian tankie catgirl is up to.Report
One of the smart people I follow suggests that it’s a new third thing:
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Nah brah, I’ll believe this when it starts showing up in consumer goods. I remember feeling so hopeful in 1989 when we were discussing “cold fusion” in Organic Chem after the first reports of the results. And I remember my shock and disappointment to learn it wasn’t real . I thought of it as a “hoax” although a quick check online stops short of saying that.
Though as an working alleged-scientist, I admit I’m gobsmacked to think that people can just openly falsify details* and not expect to be found out and ultimately discredited. What research I do is very small and not important to almost anyone (it mainly centers around soil invertebrate communities, or prairie plants) and I can’t imagine if I falsified data that it would go well for me; I’d probably have to resign and do some other career with what remained of my working life. But maybe if you’re big enough and important enough people care less? I don’t know.
*That seems NOT to be the case here; if anything it is a mistake on the original researcher’s part and as Michael said, they demonstrated some OTHER effect than superconduction. But there have been a lot of scientific hoaxes in higher-stakes fields than mine. I have heard cases, for example, of faked micrographs in cell biology.Report
In the 1980s, when liquid nitrogen(LN2) superconductors became available, there was some discussion, and plenty of papers, about using LN2 superconductor cables to distribute electricity in urban areas (the ones I read were using London as example). The savings were massive!!!. Alas LN2 were ceramic like and too brittle to lay down as long stretches of cable in the ground.
At the time, the expectation/hope was to develop LN2 superconductors that would overcome that limitation. To the best of my knowledge, that’s the part we have failed to accomplishReport
I would like to point out, since it took me years to get the joke, that the site’s name is intended to be arχiv, χ being the Greek letter “chi,” which is used for various purposes in math and science.
So despite the X, it’s still pronounced “archive.”Report
Wait, what? WHAT?!Report
bioRxiv makes it more obvious, because that’s clearly a χ in the logo, but Wikipedia confirms that it’s the same for arxiv.org.Report
The US has replicated. Maybe. Kinda.
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China claims to have replicated:
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Fascinating and exciting, but now the replication.Report
As others have noted, at least levitation seems to be reproducible. I’m not sure I’ve seen any reports of actual superconducting an electrical current.Report
It is interesting either way but if they can super conduct it is game changing of course.Report
I assume that the difference between “really really good conductor” and “superconductor” is not something measurable with stuff you can get at grainger.com. I don’t even know who would be likely to have equipment that would be sensitive enough to tell the difference between… I dunno… gold and any given superconductor (especially since most superconductors need to be somewhere around the temperature of liquid nitrogen).Report
Ah, I stumbled across an answer to my question:
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Another vote for “Different Third Thing”:
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A glimmer of hope. Not for a superconductor, but for third things:
From the bottom:
Longer TLDR. “To conclude, we have observed a semiconductor-like,
non-superconducting electric property in our LK-99-like
synthetic samples, along with diamagnetic and soft-
ferromagnetic properties arising from supposedly differ-
ent phases of the mixed product. Our results sug-
gest that one needs to be cautious when interpreting
half-levitation observations as evidence for net levitat-
ing forces (and, further, as evidence for the Meissner
effect). The presence of ferromagnetism in a Pb-Cu-P-
O system is somewhat unexpected, as we are not aware
of previous reports of materials with related properties.
The presence of a flat-band-like electronic structure in
Pb10−xCux(PO4)6O, as revealed in a recent calculation
[14, 18], might be able to give rise to such spontaneous
ferromagnetism, which warrants further investigation.”Report
Ah, bummer.
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Dammit. Was really hopeful.Report
A lovely little bow to tie everything together:
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The callback joke after the punchline:
It’s an insulator. It’s an insulator that is so good that the usual equipment can’t test it.Report