The Hollywood Strikes: Contract Law

Russell Michaels

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  1. Brandon Berg says:

    Good news: Strikes are negative-sum! Because of lost productivity, the size of the pie to be divided shrinks. So it’s absolutely possible for both sides to lose. The easiest way for this to happen is for the contract to remain unchanged, in which case the strikers lose pay and the studios lose profits.Report

  2. Jaybird says:

    A million years ago, there was a Behind The Music-like show talking about Welcome Back, Kotter. It talked about the joys and highs of Seasons 1-3 and then, in Season 4, all of the problems the show started having due to creative differences between the cast and the writers.

    One of the big things that I remember was Gabe Kaplan talking about how the kids were all in their 20s and they were still in high school and his idea was that they should *GRADUATE* and go to a local community college and then, as the big finale of the episode, show that the new professor of whatever-the-heck would walk through the door and OH MY GOSH IT WAS PROFESSOR KOTTER!!!!!!

    And the writers were talking about how much of a jerk Kaplan was and how he wanted to mess with a good thing and so they wrote him off the show and then the show got cancelled.

    In recent years, there have been *MULTIPLE* blowups about how this or that show is getting sexist/racist hate over what this or that show is doing because they’re updating an old, crappy show for a New Audience and the old audience is upset that they’re not the new one. And then we get stuff like The Rings of Power or the live-action Powerpuff Girls and then we see articles explaining that the Season One writers for Rings of Power are getting demoted and they’re seriously retooling or the Powerpuff show is getting cancelled because the pilot was *DISASTEROUS* and they couldn’t turn it around.

    Remember the live-action Cowboy Bebop? Good times.

    The difference between Seasons 1-6 and 7-8 of Game of Thrones provides another awesome example of decent writers versus awful writers.

    Henry Cavill is leaving The Witcher due to reasons similar to those of Welcome Back, Kotter. He is arguing about whether the show is true to the books and the writers want to create something new and different.

    From Cosmo:

    Henry and the writers having low-key different visions for the show is hardly news. In fact, the actor has expressed how much he loved the original source material since he’s an avid gamer (like, he legit built his own gaming computer kinda avid gamer).

    On the other hand, Beau DeMayo—a former producer and writer on The Witcher—has gone on the record and dished that some writers on the series “actively disliked” both Andrzej Sapkowski’s books and CD Projekt Red’s games. Showrunner Lauren D. Hissrich has also said she tries not to hire writers who are purists of the source material.

    If I’m a fan of The Witcher, why should I watch a show that is called The Witcher but is giving me something new and different written by people who actively disliked the books and the games that the show is based on?

    Why should I, the dog, eat this dog food?

    And that’s my take on the whole strike. Yay, labor. Good luck making that money. I’ll support your strike insofar as I will be playing video games instead. Lemme know if something with a script that doesn’t suck shows up. It’s been a while.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Jaybird says:

      A relevant blast-from-the-past:

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      • Russell Michaels in reply to Jaybird says:

        They did a legal show without any lawyers or legal show veterans in the writers room. And it very clearly shows. None of the legal stuff made sense in the show.

        Like Law 101 stuff they got wrong.Report

        • The show Succession had a kabillion clips show up on the twitters. “Look at this! Look at this awesome characterization!”

          And there were clips with Brian Cox and the Home Alone kid and the guy who played Cameron in the 80’s version of Fight Club and, good god, I didn’t want to see a minute of that show but people were thrusting clips into my face.

          You know how many clips I’ve seen of She-Hulk? Two.

          The one where she explained to Bruce Banner that she has had to deal with mansplaining.

          The one where she was twerking with Megan Thee Stallion.

          I assume that a show is “good” (fsvo “good”) based on how many clips people try to make me watch. Yellowstone? People try to get me to watch clips.

          There are a lot of shows that I see articles about how this or that show is getting hate from Gen-X just because the writers don’t think that racist, sexist, and anti-LGBT jokes are funny but then the show comes out and nobody is trying to force clips on me.

          I have seen one courtroom clip from Daredevil Season 2 IN THE LAST WEEK.

          She-Hulk? Poof. Disappeared.Report

    • Jesse in reply to Jaybird says:

      Ah, the typical Jaybird dodge. Writing a bunch of words about how you basically don’t care about the strike, but saying you support it anyway. There are literally tons of great TV shows coming out on the regular, even if you think the evil SJW’s are running all of genre TV or whatever.

      I get it, they’re supposedly ruining the intellectual property you like (by the way, the writer of The Witcher hated The Witcher games until he got a big check from CD Project Red, yet for Some Reason, we never heard about how CD Project Red is ruining the The Witcher franchise.).

      The youths and the women and the minorities are destroying TV because they rightly don’t see the reason why a fantasy show with monsters and dragons should have the same demographics as Poland just because the writer is from there, or because a 20-something writer doesn’t think a sitcom that Gen X beloves but was full of racist, sexist, and anti-LGBT jokes is actually all that funny is ruining the idea the 90’s were some perfect, blissful time with no issues.

      As for the rest, bad pilots happen even w/ non-woke shows.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Jesse says:

        It’s one thing to hire writers who liked the books but didn’t like the games.
        It’s another thing to hire writers who liked the games but didn’t like the books.
        And it’s yet another thing to hire writers who “actively disliked” both Andrzej Sapkowski’s books and CD Projekt Red’s games.

        AND THE LAST THING IS THE THING THEY DID!!!

        And the guy who was the actor who butted heads with the writers about wanting to be true to the source material left because of it.

        How do you feel about Season 4? Think it’s gonna be as good as Season 1?

        I don’t, for what it’s worth. I think the show’s going to turn to crap and then get cancelled. Feel free to throw this in my face if Season 4 has better numbers for the finale than Season 3’s finale (it’s even measurable).

        “There are literally tons of great TV shows coming out on the regular.”

        Review some of them. Explain to me how, seriously, I need to watch this show. Link to a clip!

        Not cringe comedy, though. Goodness, I hate cringe comedy.

        My problem is not “they’re not writing this stuff for me”. I know that there are tons of audiences out there and I’m not a member of more than 3 or 4 of them.

        The problem is that they don’t seem to be writing this show for anybody but themselves in the case of Rings of Power or Powerpuff or, in the case of Game of Thrones, they don’t seem to know their butts from a hole in the ground if they don’t have the original to crib from.

        You want me to support the strike? Sure. I’ll support it.
        You want me to eat the dog food? Nah. I’ll get something on the way home.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Jaybird says:

          See, here’s a silly example with The Witcher:

          Imagine some fratdudebro saying “Anya Chalotra” ain’t particularly hot.”

          Now realize that THE CASTING DIRECTOR IS SAYING THIS.

          Good lord. “We read the books and felt that Yennifer’s personality was obviously Persian. So we wanted an actress that could smolder Persianly. Anya Chalotra was the obvious choice. Look at those lips!”

          Nope. “We hired someone to challenge beauty standards.”

          Who is that *FOR*?Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

            In order to virtue signal, he needs to claim he’s “challenging beauty standards”. Translated into English this means hiring people that are heavier, older, and less attractive.

            In order to be successful, he needs to hire someone like Anya.

            So he’s doing the second while claiming he’s also doing the first.Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

            Your comments seem to validate the idea that fans come to feel ownership of the race and gender identities of the characters and by extension, the world order which would produce those identities and roles.

            Like, just a still photo of characters that don’t match your ideas of their identity is enough to make you angry or lose interest. Not the plot or direction or acting or overall production, just the race and gender identities which are out of sync with the world of your imagination.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

              Chip, I think that the woman in question is gorgeous. I might make a different decision or two when it comes to the hair, but if someone told me “they cast this chick as Yennifer”, I’d say “Oh, they went Persian.”

              THE CASTING DIRECTOR IS SAYING THAT THIS CHICK IS CHALLENGING BEAUTY STANDARDS. THE CASTING DIRECTOR.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                This doesn’t dispute any of what I said.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Chip, it’s not the still photo that doesn’t match my ideas that made me lose interest.

                It was how Beau DeMayo—a former producer and writer on The Witcher—has gone on the record and dished that some writers on the series “actively disliked” both Andrzej Sapkowski’s books and CD Projekt Red’s games.

                I’m not saying that I don’t think Anya Chalotra is unmistakably gorgeous.

                I’m saying that the casting director doesn’t think Anya Chalotra is unmistakeably gorgeous. The casting director *BRAGGED* about how she deliberately picked Anya Chalotra because she wanted to “challenge” beauty standards.

                “Oh, you’re upset because you don’t think Anya Chalotra is hot enough?”

                “No. Read what I said again.”Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                Right.
                The casting director is challenging your interpretation of beauty standards and the world you see in the books.

                And the challenge isn’t even the production itself- its merely her comments which have set you off, her announced intention to challenge your ideas.

                As if, the mere notion that her understanding of beauty and the world of the books being different than yours is an affront.

                I’m linking this to your objections to the new Snow White, where just a still photo of the cast caused you to say, “Nope”.
                Again, nothing to do with the production or performances or script, just that the appearance of the cast caused you to reject it.

                You really do seem to be deeply invested in the world order of the stories, and deeply offended when anyone offers an alternative worldview.

                And look, this isn’t a criticism. One of the reasons we all love certain stories is that they conjure up a world order that we feel is right and its easy to get upset when someone offers a different view of that world.

                For example, I loved the book Stuart Little by E.B. White. It described a gentle magical world that was filled with wonder and terror all written with a convincing child-centered view.

                The movie version with Michael J. Fox was unwatchable or me. Like so many Hollywood treatments, its world was one written from the viewpoint of a smirking twentysomething West LA hipster, ironic and smugly detached from childhood.

                Obviously many millions of people disagreed and found, and still find that world appealing. Almost every animated cartoon feature pumped out uses that same lens.

                I think its important to take a critical stance about our feelings towards literature- critical meaning that our feelings towards a work of art originate from, and are filtered by, our own sense of what the world and truth really looks like.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                The casting director is challenging your interpretation of beauty standards and the world you see in the books.

                No. This is not happening. I look upon her and I remain unchallenged.

                And the challenge isn’t even the production itself- its merely her comments which have set you off, her announced intention to challenge your ideas.

                Her facile comments irritated me, yes.

                There’s also an undercurrent of “why are you being such a jerk to Anya” hidden in there.

                I mean, seriously. You know the “Margot Robbie is mid” discussions that took place on the twitters for the Barbie movie?

                This is a casting director saying “We deliberately went with mid!”

                Wait… do *YOU* think that Anya is mid? Do you look at her and think “Yeah, pretty much a Hollywood 8”?

                I’m linking this to your objections to the new Snow White, where just a still photo of the cast caused you to say, “Nope”.

                My immediate take was more of the “holy cow, Disney is going to put out low-effort crap and then accuse people of not wanting to see low-effort crap of being bigoted” followed by “Wait a sec, Disney is denying that this is from their production” and that turned into musing on how these faked photos were a skillful attack on Disney and *THAT* turned into Disney sheepishly admitting that, yes, they were from the production but these were STAND-INS.

                Which then told me “yeah, they felt they had to lie about it”.

                And, lemme tell ya, when the creators of a work lie about it before they reveal it, that doesn’t inspire confidence.

                You really do seem to be deeply invested in the world order of the stories, and deeply offended when anyone offers an alternative worldview.

                See, you see “deeply offended” where I would say “I am not moved to purchase the product”.

                I even asked you if you were moved to purchase the product and you declined to answer.

                I’m not inclined to see it.
                You’re not inclined to see it.

                Do you think that it’ll make a lot of money? What movie do you think it’d be fair to compare it to and use as a baseline for “doing well” versus “doing poorly”?

                Little Mermaid is currently sitting just under $300,000,000.

                Is that great? Is that disappointing? Do we want to check to see how Snow White stacks up to Little Mermaid or is it impossible to know whether something does well or does poorly?

                I think its important to take a critical stance about our feelings towards literature- critical meaning that our feelings towards a work of art originate from, and are filtered by, our own sense of what the world and truth really looks like.

                Are we allowed to use those feelings to help us decide whether to buy a ticket?

                What if those feelings don’t inspire us to buy a ticket? Do we need to interrogate that? Ask why we don’t want to see a movie? Explore what the *REAL* reason is?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

                My daughter made me go see Across the Spiderverse with her (and also watch the first part first).

                Great writing, very well worth seeing.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                For a guy who is unmoved, you seem, very, very moved.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I merely keep track of my thoughts as I have them.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                The character Snow White is more anchored into “having skin as white as snow” than normal. It would be easier to gender bend everyone and tell the same story.

                The “7 dwarves'” is also more anchored than normal. Not only in that they’re short, i.e. dwarves, but that they’re brothers.

                Disney’s desire to make everything more diverse also makes their job harder here.

                For example, some of the dwarves and now female and the relationship of the 7 is clearly not siblings. So are some of them dating each other? Married?

                It’s possible to handle all of this well, but it’s easier to do poorly. Worse, this irrelevant-to-the-store sort of thing implies they’ll have other problems.Report

              • KenB in reply to Dark Matter says:

                I recommend this Ben Dreyfuss reprise of an earlier piece:Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to KenB says:

                The original dwarfs were not human. Token-verse big noses and facial structures would be fine.

                However we need a “diverse” group where 1+ is black, female, Hispanic, short/tall, and so on. So diversity is driving the plot rather than the reverse.

                Magical creatures? That and seriously diverse probably takes us to “don’t have a set gender or race”, i.e. shapeshifter or something.

                However we now have a different story. Snow White and the 7 genies.

                If you have good writing, then you can weave that in without it being a problem. If you have great writing then you can make it look like that was the plan from the start.Report

              • KenB in reply to Dark Matter says:

                They should pivot to doing Bella Venezia instead. No pesky American tradition to worry about.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

                The original Snow White was rather Grim, but bowdlerized and twisted by Disney to have a different meaning. Like, none of the dwarves even had names in the original, and the image of the queen dancing in red hot shoes until she dies is more Steven King than Disney.

                Point being, folk tales are always evolving and changing as they pass from one generation to the next. By their very nature, folk tales can’t have a “canonical” version.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                You’re not wrong, but this brings us back to the 1+7 of them being unusually anchored by their names.

                The word “Dwarf” has multiple meanings, Disney isn’t using any of them. Snow White isn’t white.

                If you’re a fan of the original Snow White movie, and that’s who Disney wants to see this movie, then in theory Disney should be having limits to how many serious changes you can make.

                The original movie was seriously “some day my prince will come” and I can see why they’d want to drop that… but that’s another serious change. And is there even a prince in the movie?

                Let me guess, this is a girl power movie where she finds out she doesn’t really need anyone and can make the world bend to her by herself as she is?Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Yes, movies are driven by the desires and whims of the audience, not any grand sort of truth.

                Thus characters who spoke archaic German are now speaking modern American English and parts of the story uninteresting or unappealing to modern audiences are edited out and new themes intended to interest modern sensibilities are added.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                It’s not clear to me that audiences want all these girl power mary-sue movies. A vocal minority clearly does not but idk if that’s representative.

                I do think they’re making their jobs harder. If you open the door to wish fulfillment bad writing then it’s hard to close it for the rest of the movie.

                It makes it significantly harder when the vocal minority is also the most devoted fans in the fan base.Report

              • InMD in reply to Dark Matter says:

                The next level question is how much they’re a result of the basically no interest financing environment we had for more than a decade. It’s one thing to make movies catering to the sensibilities of people not interested in actually seeing them at 0% interest rates, quite another at 7.5.Report

              • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

                edit: never mind, Brandon said it alreadyReport

          • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird says:

            I think you’re misunderstanding what the casting director is saying here: She’s not saying that she’s challenging beauty standards by casting an unattractive woman, but that she’s challenging beauty standards by casting a (marginally) non-white woman.

            This only makes sense if you’re working from the premise that we’re all socially conditioned to believe that only white women can be beautiful, a premise so stupid that only an intersectional feminist can accept it.

            That said, if we all did actually believe that, Anya Chalotra would not be the ideal candidate to disabuse us of that notion.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Brandon Berg says:

              “The book said that she was beautiful and we wanted to challenge that by making her brunette.”Report

            • Damon in reply to Brandon Berg says:

              Welp, Yen ain’t white in the books, but I guess she appears that way in W3. If the goal was “non white”, they ain’t deviating from the books much with this woman…so I guess they define “challenging beauty standards” as “not white but almost”. Pardon the eye roll.Report

  3. Jesse says:

    You’ve sort of the reason behind the two strikes – when management screws up, they never take it out of their hides. They take it out of labor. Which is why, along with things like fixing streaming residuals so somebody from a giant show like Orange is the New Black is making more off of commercial residuals for a soap ad they were in than for the TV show they were on for multiple seasons, they’re making sure management cut corners on pay or the amount of people they hire.

    The message is, “it’s not our fault you screwed up and decided to go whole hog into streaming. As a result, you’ll need to take any cuts out of things not covered by our solidarity.”

    Which is a good thing, no matter if people may want both sides to lose, for silly reasons.Report

    • Russell Michaels in reply to Jesse says:

      My next article about the strikes will be the residuals.

      I’m probably gonna write it this week or next.

      Residuals in the streaming era are minimal for a reason. There is no syndication and there are no commercials for the most part.

      But beyond that, most actors likely took money up front with a smaller residual percentage on the back end. If you’re not one of the top billed cast, think the five of “Seinfeld” (Larry David and the four actors,) you don’t get much of the residual cash. That’s just how it goes.Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    Seriously. They keep doing this stuff:

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    • Pinky in reply to Jaybird says:

      Gosh, do you think they’d even let someone like me sign up for it? I guess I should send them my resume and transcript, and if I don’t make the cut, I could just keep not sending them a penny.Report

    • Damon in reply to Jaybird says:

      CD Project Red “Made” BETTER “Simplifications” To The Source Material” for the damn video games, and they sold over 50M copies of that game.

      I shake my head ruefully…. Perhaps it’s talent, or lack there of?Report

    • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

      In fairness I am pretty sure this is said behind the scenes of virtually any adaptation of print to screen. The mystery is why anyone would ever state it publicly on the record.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

        You have to say stuff like “we had to make simplifications out of *RESPECT* to the *MATERIAL*. We couldn’t include all 29 named characters to this particular storyline. So we consolidated all of the guards into two guys, consolidated the 8 ladies-in-waiting down to three, and we said that we didn’t need a mayor *AND* a deputy mayor and we still had 19 people and so we just didn’t include this sub-storyline.”

        “We simplified the storylines for American audiences”?

        WTH?Report