Marriage is Good, Actually
I ran across a sentiment online yesterday that I found entirely incomprehensible: a strong antipathy to marriage from people who are on the conservative side of the political spectrum. This was not an attitude I had seen from that specific segment of the political population, so it struck me as particularly bizarre. Typically, anti-marriage talk has come from the more radical sections of the progressive movement, arguing either that marriage is a conservative institution that needs demolition, that it stigmatizes non-traditional relationships like polyamorous groups, or that it leads to an investment in the status quo when radical change is needed. More often than not, conservatives have been the defenders of marriage as a social institution; seeing this shift among people on the increasingly secular right is concerning for anyone who believes that marriage is good.
And yes, reader, marriage is indeed good! Let us count the ways.
Marriage has been one of the primary institutions of human civilization since at least the dawn of recorded history. All of the great civilizations of mankind have engaged in some form of the marriage rite, from the Egyptians, to the Chinese, to the Greeks and Romans, and through the modern day. Marriage has been a crucial ceremony in most major religions as well, especially in the Abrahamic faith traditions. Ancient pagan communities engaged in forms of marriage and many of our traditions originate from this long-ago past. For instance, throwing rice (or other grains) at a wedding, the bride wearing white, and having cake at the marriage feast all date back to the Roman Republic, more than 2000 years ago. These roots go very deep into the human past and our collective psyche.
Marriage as an institution likely began after the agricultural revolution, when hunter-gatherers settled down into permanent farming communities in the Mesopotamian basin known as the Fertile Crescent. The need to divide work, share labor, protect possessions, and grow a family made monogamous partnership an evolutionarily beneficial adaptation. It also reduced the destructive competition for mates that characterizes the animal world and which was not uncommon among humans in pre-agricultural times. As civilization developed, marriage became instituted in law, both civic and religious. These norms were incredibly beneficial to social cohesion, cultural resilience, and human flourishing.
There is something deeply human about the institution and this is obvious when looking through history. No matter the devastation of war, plague, or famine, marriage stayed relevant. When Rome fell, marriage remained. When Persia capitulated to Islamic warriors, marriage continued. When the Mongols thrashed their way across most of the known world, the devastated communities they left behind still engaged in marriage. This is not a practice that healthy societies throw away.
There are immense pro-social goods that come with marriage on a broad scale. It incentivizes stable partnerships, which tend to lead to higher income and stronger social bonds. It creates the ideal situation for family formation and the rearing of children. It helps build civic communities and organizations that are the foundation of Western, especially American, cultural life. It tends to lead to less poverty and violence, and more social and community responsibility. The bonds of matrimony are powerful and really do change one’s outlook on life – ideally helping transition from a self-centered conception of reality to a broader, more pro-social one.
Some critics ask why they should take on individual risk in marriage – the potential for divorce and painful, costly separation – for merely broad societal benefits? What’s in it for me?
First off, one of the reasons marriage (and child-rearing) is beneficial to the individual is that it undercuts this intensely narcissistic desire for everything to benefit “me” in the short-term. That sort of thinking is detrimental not only socially, but personally. The ability to think of others as well as oneself is a sign of personal growth and leads to better interpersonal skills and decision-making. Marriage, at its best, is the union of two people who love each other more than anything else; making that relationship public and cementing it under law is a wonderful way to tighten those bonds and commit to a long-term, lifelong project of love and family. It starts the individual on the path towards family formation in the most stable and secure manner humans know. It opens a new window into a world of relational connections, as does parenthood. These are even more necessary in a time where social atomization and isolation, fueled by technology, are on the rise. Marriage is also strongly correlated with personal happiness, a stable relationship that has been true over time.
But what about bad outcomes, like divorce or, in extreme cases, parental kidnapping? Bad outcomes for some people do not invalidate the general usefulness and purchase of the idea of marriage. Divorce is awful in most cases, causing serious issues for family, friends, and especially children. But the divorce rate is declining and has been for quite some time now, particularly on a per capita basis. This is a positive trend for the long-term health of the institution of marriage.
But even if divorce was more prevalent, that fact would not impugn the usefulness of marriage. We rightly promote the entrepreneurial spirit in Americans, despite the fact that upwards of 90% of start-up businesses fail. If we chose to look at that reality and cease creating new businesses, our economy would collapse within a few years. Likewise, society would be in dire straits if marriage was ended so as to prevent the potential for divorce. This is the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Other critics of marriage lament that laws allow for divorce, split property evenly, and provide alimony and child support for (usually) the woman in the relationship. These people are worth ignoring, as they see anything which properly reduces the legal dominance of men in marriage as a terrible thing. They view female autonomy as evil, and that seems like reason enough to discount their arguments. Modern marriage is seen as a problem because it is no longer fundamentally unequal. For some reason, I don’t think that people who believe this would be married or in a stable, partnered relationship even if those laws were changed to their liking.
To me, marriage should be promoted as a civic and social good, as well as an individual and family benefit. It helps in the formation of families, the raising of children, and the perpetuation of society and culture. I don’t think that government should subsidize marriage more than it currently does (via tax policy), but I would not complain if welfare benefits were reoriented to promote stable marriages. Unlike some other right-leaning folks, I am a proponent of marriage for any monogamous pair – gay or straight. The choice to marry and raise a family in a loving household is a wonderful one, and it should not be limited to solely a man and a woman; our society can use all the stability it can get at this point. I fervently hope that this anti-marriage sect on the right is completely unrepresentative, but I fear it may be more permanent. Defending marriage may seem unnecessary, but it sure can’t hurt.
The eternal problem of divorce is that there are a handful of marriages that would benefit from divorce. Any attempt to make divorce less common will be seen as attempting to keep these toxic, toxic marriages together.
Heck, even talking about how harmful divorce is for marriages that aren’t particularly toxic as these things go will be seen as an attempt to shame the toxic marriages into staying together.
And that sucks. When I was coming up between middle school and finishing high school in the mid-80s, about one-sixth to one-quarter of my classmates went through their parents divorcing and it wrecked enough of them emotionally that even the weird aspy kid off in his own little world heard about how much it was wrecking them.
I’ve heard that most of the kids of that generation said something like “I’m *NEVER* getting divorced!” and, instead, delayed marriage/children for a while and wrung out those first couple of starter relationships and settled down later than their parents did. That seems to be true for my circle, anyway.
Which is good. I’ve seen divorce wreck too many kids.
But the really, really toxic marriages change the dynamic significantly. We want it as easy as possible for those to end.Report
The fact that divorce has been trending downward for decades, along with crime generally demolishes some traditional viewpoints, as well as ratifying others.
in the early 70’s at the height of the Sexual Revolution, all you would hear from social conservatives was diatribes against premarital sex and no-fault divorce.
Living in sin and easy divorce were sure to destroy the institution of marriage and with it, the entire structure of family and society, we were told.
And true enough, there were plenty of sociali liberals who thought the same, and eagerly looked forward to the day when marriage would be swept into the dustbin of history.
Then the focus of angst shifted to same sex marriage, which was guaranteed to destroy the institution of marriage and with it, the entire structure of family and marriage.
But of course, marriage and family formation has not only survived, but thrived and blossomed with new and different forms.
So in one sense, the conservative argument was demolished.
But one of the foundations of conservative thought is that certain things are just “natural”, hard wired into the human person and should be respected. Marriage was instituted by the Creator in a time of Man’s innocence.
And…that kind seems right. What we see is that people, everywhere and throughout all time, have a deep seated yearning for pair bonding and family creation.
Marriage not only doesn’t appear to need defense, it seems remarkably impervious to any attempts to destroy it.Report
People who claim that a long-standing institution is, at least in general, if not in every specific detail, valuable and productive of social good, should have the courage of their convictions and not run around like chickens with their heads cut off at the slightest “threat.”Report
I think one of the big problems is that marriage is sold as being some Romantic Forever Lovely Thing.
When I had the privilege of hanging around kids who were fixing to get married, I generally told them “marriage is like running a small non-profit”. They’d generally either laugh as if I told a really funny joke or look horrified at how I’d say something so awful about such a wonderful institution.
One of the couples that I said this in front of is coming up on their TENTH wedding anniversary.
I casually mentioned having said this the other day as I was hanging about in their kitchen and they both nodded when, a decade ago, they responded as if I were joking.
I think that society needs to do a *MUCH* better job of preparing young people for marriage.
One of the slightest threats out there is that “rewarding” means something like “high peaks on a regular basis” rather than “avoiding the really low troughs and, instead, merely finding low troughs on a regular basis and, yeah, the peaks aren’t as high as they used to be when you were 20 but that’s one of those things about being 20, isn’t it?”
And that’s the slightest threat that I think we, as a society, should do a better job of avoiding entirely.Report
When my wife and I were getting married, when we met with the minister she wanted to perform the ceremony, he said something to the effect of, “Since you’re both 27, both have Masters degrees, and have both established a career, I think we’ll skip the ‘Have you thought carefully about this?’ counseling.”Report
We were forced to get AIDS counseling from our family doctor before we got married.
Because after you’re in a monogamous relationship, that’s clearly something to worry about.Report
I keep thinking about AIDS counseling as a requirement for marriage. That’s mind bogglingly stupid and it just gets dumber the more you consider it. What was the rational? What if you refused?Report
When we got married in Mississippi 15 years ago we had to go to the county health unit the week of the wedding and get syphilis testing. Its a legal holdover from the 1950’s when that disease ran rampant in black communities (for a variety of reasons). its a useless requirement these days, but the county wouldn’t give us the license until the health department called them and said we were “clean.”Report
It was a State of Michigan thing and they get to decide marriage license requirements, so I assumed at the time if I refused it wouldn’t go good places.Report
I think this is basically right. Marriage really is excellent and I wholeheartedly endorse the institution and approaching it as a sort of joint venture.
Unfortunately I think we’ve gotten caught in between certain overly romanticized visions (not that some romance isn’t healthy, helpful, and fun!) and the well-meaning case for not stigmatizing those who have left it for legitimate reasons or are living outside of it. But it’s really a good thing on its own merits and I think there are a lot of people out there who would be happier if they did it. Would that we could do a better job making the case.
For those of us with children it is also of course by far the most responsible way to arrange things. It would also be nice if this could be said more openly, without being taken for a reactionary or extreme religious wackadoo.Report
There are people who call themselves MRA’s (men’s rights activists), and people who call themselves MGTOW’s (men going their own way). I’m sure there’s overlap. MRA’s want legal or societal reforms, but MGTOW’s have “noped” on the whole thing. I don’t think the first group hates women or female autonomy, but the second group appears to. I think this article should have more strongly distinguished between them.
I don’t know what Jeff Younger considers himself, but he has a right to be angry.Report
In my comment below I do not make as fine of a distinction with my nomenclature as finely as you do here. Can’t say I’ve heard of the MGTOW phenomenon and to me it looks like MRA-Lite, and weighing the degree or flavor of the misogyny underlying either world view is not something I’ve done. And, I’ll be honest, it’s probably not something I’m ever going to do.Report
Well, the distinctions are there for the odd circumstance where a guy looks at the landscape and says “you know what? Maybe I’ll be as well off with a smaller apartment, a better video card, and some, ahem, massage aids. Perhaps even better off, given some of the things I’ve heard married guys say about being married.”
Hammering out why they reach this conclusion will probably be important when it comes to us trying to talk them out of it.
Assuming we’d want to talk them out of it, those incels were probably sour anyway.Report
Yeah, I saw that we submitted our comments on the same topic within a minute of each other. I’d say that MGTOW’s are nuts, maybe incels who refuse to admit the “involuntary” part, whereas MRA’s have some legitimate causes and complaints. I think you’re missing the boat if you write off MRA’s as misogynous though. If you’re willing to spend 15 minutes, here’s a TED talk from Cassie Jaye, the creator of the documentary “The Red Pill”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoYReport
There’s nothing “involuntary” about incels. They are where they are because of their extreme views regarding women. And even then, there are probably women who would date them if they bothered to go out into the world.Report
That’s probably overstating it a bit. I think all of us — except maybe George Clooney — have stretches of temporary incel status.
True story: Robert Redford wanted to play Benjamin in The Graduate and asked his friend Mike Nichols, who was directing, to cast him. Nichols said he was wrong for the part and Redford asked why.
“Have you ever struck out with a girl?”
“What do you mean?”
“Exactly.”Report
“All of us are at times, involuntarily celibate” is not only a correct statement, but works to prompt the question of “so what the eff is so tragic about these dudes that we should regard them as victims?”
I mean, the stereotype of the lonely middle aged lady with a dozen cats is something everyone laughs about.
So, why aren’t these women going out and blowing people away?
People with disabilities have a notoriously difficult time finding romantic partners, but I can’t remember the last time a guy rolled his wheelchair up to the mall and started mowing down people.
A lot of us were nerds, late bloomers, shy and insecure and unable to fit in, yet almost all of us learned to be empathetic and kind and transform our pain rather than transmit it.
Its hard to read any of these whiny ass titty baby redpill guys without wanting to smack them and say “Grow Up!” partly because invariably these are the very same guys who give us pious lectures about stoicism and how everyone in the past was made of sterner stuff and oh by the way we need to turn away those boats of refugees and let them drown in the ocean because f*ck off we’re full.Report
Weird that dudes making stern moral pronouncements and exhibiting performatively uncompassionate statements have difficulty attracting mates. I mean, it’s so weird that women can’t see how retro-stylish their fedoras really are!Report
I assume they fail and then get extreme views, so then they have at least two strikes against them.Report
Failing with X percent of women you pursue romantically is taken by normal healthy men as a sign the men need to change something about themselves or the type of woman they are pursuing, which usually results in success. These guys feel ENTITLED to women’s affection and sexual pleasure and thus conclude that any rejection is NOT their fault. They are calling strikes against everyone but themselves. IN a game no one else is playing. On a ballfield they built.
There’s a pattern in there somewhere.Report
1. Divorce rates are declining, yes, but aren’t marriage rates declining too? If fewer people (per capita) are getting married, that necessarily means that fewer people (per capita) will get divorced.
2. I was disappointed to read an article about a strain of anti-marriage sentiment on “the right” but not an exploration of what that line of thinking entails and what it signifies. A look at the link, and its second reply and follow up comment from the author make clear that what we’re talking about are male rights activists, as evidenced by his belief that “women control family court.” This is not a new sentiment within right-of-center circles, and it is deeply and solidly rooted in misogyny. Hopefully (and I hold this hope personally with confidence), it is unrepresentative of how most conservatives think.Report
Women initiate something like 80% of divorces. The majority of cases the woman has primary physical custody, even if the kids aren’t young. Family law is actively on the side of women in these areas, and alimony. Cali law, for example, states alimony can go on, theoretically forever, if the marriage lasted more than 10 years. There does seem to be a implicit bias that kids belong with their mother and dad’s a check….Report
Just curious – are you a divorced father?Report
Nope. Just divorced. And my ex is a wonderful person. Numerous people have told me that over the years, and yes, I think she is too, generally.Report
Just setting baseline here . .
As a divorced dad (now remarried) who had to navigate custody and child support first in Florida and then New York (albeit some years ago) I think the stories you are hearing about an anti-male bias are becoming wrong. Had we stayed in Florida I likely would have been shafted repeatedly (the judge at my final divorce hearing told me flat out he didn’t know why I was there as there was no way for me to stop the proceeding), but when my ex moved to new york state the judges up there took a much more even hand view (once telling her that choosing to move north didn’t mean she was entitled to New York levels of support). I’m not going to say its red vs. blue state thing, but it’s not at all as draconian or dire as some want to make it out to be.Report
Marriage was never something I wanted. My ex did, badly. What made me happy in the marriage was that her happiness increased dramatically vs living together. She wasn’t all that enthusiastic about having kids either, but that was a condition of our marriage: I’d marry her but I didn’t want kids.
Going forward, I don’t really care to get married again. Not without YEARS of being in a relationship. My ex and I were together over a decade before we got married.Report
your story tells us two important truths – that even the longest, most thoughtful relationships aren’t always made better by marriage, and that preventing such marriages from dissolving is in no one’s best interests.Report
I’m getting divorced in Florida. My choice. I have the last kid.
It’s going to be interesting, She and a lot of our stuff is in Michigan.
Kid isn’t on speaking terms with Mom and will flatly refuse to spend time with her. None of my kids are on speaking terms with her.
I think we’re in mental illness territory. My oldest daughter has some great memories of her but my youngest does not.Report
My understanding is many counties in Florida are more father friendly then when I went through this 20+ years ago. There have also been some father friendly changes to the federal laws governing interstate custody and child support. If you have a good lawyer, you may well make out ok from your kid’s perspective.Report
Thanks.Report
Know that you have my sympathies and best wishes for the least-bad outcome here. This sounds like a really stressful and periodically painful situation for you. “Least bad outcome” likely means you get custody of the kids with some sort of visitation plan for your ex. It’s not at all unrealistic to think that could be the outcome.
At the same time, I hope that if you’re right about your ex, she gets professional help for her own situation, and that she can heal her relationship with her children.Report
Thank you…
That’s the interesting part. Court won’t give me 100% of the kid. Kid will flatly refuse to do anything with her mom.
What will the Court do about a high functioning 16 year old who refuses to get on an airplane or who stays with friends if mom comes around?
My hope/expectation is they do nothing. My goal is to avoid contempt of court when I end up with 100%.
To be clear, IMHO kid would be best off by forgiving her mother and having some sort of relationship with her… but I don’t expect that to happen for years.Report
Good luck is all I can say. And that we’re all hoping it works out as well as it can.Report
As the non-custodial parent I know this one. on several occasions I showed up in Buffalo to get the girls for scheduled visits. Mom brought them on time, but once she left the refused to go. As in sat on the airport floor refused to go. so I ended up with expensive hotel and rental car bills to see them at the the time. My lawyer advised me there was no way to make my Ex force them – she showed up and turned them over at the appointed time. I suspect you would hear the same thing.Report
Interesting… Thank you for sharing that, it helps a lot.Report
I recall looking into this ( with you?) a few mo ths ago and yes, that number is close to accurate. The real question is what meaning do we want to attach to it?
For my part, I don’t believe that the vast bulk of either men or women enter into marriages in our culture for the purpose of economic advancement. Rather, I think they enter into marriage because they believe marriage will make both of the spouses happier. If it is women who are initiating most divorces, that sounds like marriage fails to meet their happiness expectations. Which sounds like women are making their men happy? But men are not making their women happy.
If so, that is a problem with and about men.Report
OR … its about those expectations, which men only play a partial role in setting.Report
Fair. In both perspectives, though, it’s about women being unhappy with what marriage brings them. It’s not about society being hard-wired to favor women’s interests over mens’.Report
Personally I believe a new covenant needs to be established between the sexes.
On the one hand men need to resist the bazillion temptations out there to avoid growing up. Keep the pot smoking and videogames to at least a level conducive to having a place of your own, a vehicle, and some kind of job prospects. Also learn to cook a meal, scrub a toilet, and get comfortable with the idea of being involved in housework and childrearing to a degree not expected of our fathers and grandfathers generations. This is just a reality men need to accept and too many don’t or make sad excuses about why they can’t. I saw a tweet I think from Matt Yglesias awhile ago lamenting how much of a shame it is that the the only people giving this kind of advice to young men is sketchy pick up artist types and folks like Jordan Peterson who come with a lot of strange baggage attached.
Women I think need to do a better job of calibrating to their success, including adopting more realistic expectations. By most metrics they are now or swiftly becoming the better educated, more upwardly mobile sex. Yet I get the impression that there have become some somewhat contradictory demands of men, namely that they both check traditional breadwinner boxes while simultaneously meeting modern feminist expectations about divisions of labor within the relationship, homemaking, etc. Guys like this exist but there’s a limit on them and the modern economy really isn’t conducive to it being the norm. Some (fair and reasonable) compromise is critical.
I add the disclaimer that this comment is totally class specific and probably irrelevant to anyone below a certain level of income threshold and/or social status. However contra Saul’s comment below I think a lot of people are aging passed marriage and are miserable for it. Certainly not everyone, and I would never in a million years push my views about something like this on others. But I do wish people happiness, and for me becoming a normie doing the wife and kid thing in the burbs has gotten me more of it than anything else I’ve ever done.Report
Both of my exes thought marriage and romance should be like something out of a RomCom. It was not. I expected my spouses to be faithful. They were not. That being said, I initiated both of my divorces. I was absolutely miserable by the time we reached that point. I think the second wife really married me for financial stability and because she cannot stand being alone.
I had no intention of getting married again, though I wasn’t necessarily opposed. I just was not looking. I managed to find somebody with who I am really compatible. It is a night and day difference compared to the previous marriages. With the two of us, it just works. People say “marriage should be work,” but sometimes I think people use that statement to justify staying in bad relationships. I know I did in the past. I cannot say my wife and I have never had any issues, but I cannot say it has ever really felt like work. I think we are both better off together than we would be apart.Report
The interesting thing here is that it is the right-wing often seething at college-educated bougie liberals thriving with and without marriage while their base falters.Report