The Big Surpise From the Speaker Fight That No One is Talking About

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Philip H says:

    The irony now is that the current skirmish puts Trump on the opposite side of his own faction. Regardless of the underlying Speaker fight reason, it seems apparent that The Former Guy is no longer in complete control of the movement that he created. With MAGA off the leash and out of its creator’s control, there are interesting times ahead.

    This is indeed all true. But until someone else declares for President who can capture MAGA without Trump, he’s still defacto leader, and if he’s the only on standing, MAGA voters will still turn out in droves for him.Report

  2. Pinky says:

    Some of us have been talking about this “big surprise” for a while now. I make no guarantees that Trump is finished, but we’re on the course that would lead to that outcome.

    Just a few weeks ago there were people on the left voicing fears that Trump would become Speaker. That’s how out-of-touch some analysis has been.

    Also let me offer this correction: “Trump,…wounded by legal problems and electoral defeats” The former doesn’t mean anything outside the liberal bubble.Report

  3. Chip Daniels says:

    I’m not seeing any surprises.
    Almost all of the 20 are insurrectionists who reject the legitimacy of opposition and refuse to share power. This is what people have been discussing for a while now, Trumpism after Trump.

    According to them, their disagreement with McCarthy is that he is “weak” and by this they mean that he is willing to negotiate with and share power with Democrats.
    They are just unwilling to share power- they are unable.

    Their core principles aren’t conventional political agendas which can be negotiated or compromised. They hold that their political enemies are fundamentally illegitimate and an existential threat to the nation. They have chosen therefore, “rule or ruin”.Report

  4. Burt Likko says:

    I’m old enough to remember this thing called the “Tea Party.” The Freedom Caucus is a direct product of it.

    I think the real surprises here are that a) McCarthy is trying to put some distance between himself and Trump, and b) he’s still getting ~90% of the votes of his caucus. Hell, today he got up to 214, and they’re re-convening in a few hours so maybe he’ll pull it off.

    I wonder what he’s had to give away to get there.Report

    • From the speculations I’ve read, much of what he gave was a return to “regular order” and corresponding reductions in the Speaker’s power. Twelve appropriations bills written in committees, floor amendments, adequate time for review before a vote. Discharge petitions are not easy, but are no longer effectively impossible. Any member can make a motion to remove the Speaker (largely symbolic unless it’s privileged, which is not clear). There have been policy promises, some of which are empty (vote on an amendment to impose term limits) and some of which are not in the Speaker’s purview to guarantee if the procedural changes are adopted (no debt ceiling increase w/o spending cuts).

      I expect most of the leaning on the last six holdouts will be from the 15 who got what they wanted.Report

      • North in reply to Michael Cain says:

        That discharge petition part makes me hopeful. It suggests a few corporate owned Republicans and all the Dems working in tandem could maybe tackle the debt ceiling regardless of McCarthy and the loons if the latter turn out to be cray-cray and intransigent.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Michael Cain says:

        Point of order – there are still 12 appropriations bills written by 12 committees. But because the senate can’t get its sh!t together their versions never see floor action before the end of the fiscal year and so we get continuing resolutions followed by omnibus packages which squish those twelve bills together. Also worth noting that Congress generally gets Congressional Ooerations and Defense passed on time each year.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Burt Likko says:

      What media do you consume that didn’t tell you that the Republicans are putting distance between themselves and Trump?Report

      • Burt Likko in reply to Pinky says:

        My comment was about McCarthy specifically, not Republicans generally.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Burt Likko says:

          So you knew the GOP was trying to distance itself from Trump, but didn’t think the guy who’s trying to become its de facto leader would do the same?Report

          • Mike Schilling in reply to Pinky says:

            Afterward, McCarthy thanked Trump, saying no one should doubt his influence.

            “Distancing”.Report

            • Chip Daniels in reply to Mike Schilling says:

              Again, this has been discussed many times that “respectable” Republicans are eager to embrace Trumpism, so long as Trump himself is not a part of it.

              That is, they are devoted to all the aspects of Trump- the grievance-mongering, the sulking cult of victimhood, the devotion to displays of belligerence and dominance, the contempt for the rule of laws and a refusal to share power with those they deem inferior.

              Ron DeSantis is Exhibit A for this phenomenon. Identical to Trump in every way, but speaks in complete sentences.Report