Avatar Has No “Hasta la Vista, Baby”
A few weeks back, my friends took me to go see the movie Avatar. I’d never seen it. It’s a movie that I had intended to see, I guess, but it got away from me and then it left theaters and I never got around to it. And one of the things I noticed is that it really didn’t have a cultural footprint.
All I really remembered about it was the trailer:
Avatar.
Seriously, they give away the whole movie in trailers.
Anyway, they asked me if I wanted to go and, you know what? I was feeling antsy in the pantsy but I had my bivalent booster in my arm and I had a day off scheduled and YES. I WILL GO TO THE MOVIE THEATER.
So I went to see it and, as we were walking out to the car, I had a handful of thoughts that I rattled off. My friends asked “Well… did you like it?”
Well, before I can answer whether I liked it, I’ll have to explain the experience of seeing it.
James Cameron is the guy who directed Aliens, Terminator and Terminator 2, True Lies, and Titanic. (I don’t know about you, but I had him pigeonholed as a sci-fi/action guy until Titanic came out and then he blew up everything by making the first film to cross the billion dollar mark.)
“Okay, guys. I want to make *MY* movie now. And if it bombs, you won’t have to pay me.”
So he told the movie that he always wanted to tell and he had precious few people that were able to tell him “no” as he was making it.
And he made a movie that had absolutely zero cultural footprint. Can you name anything that you remember from the movie Avatar? “The blue cats”, I guess. Anything else? I mean, I saw it a handful of days ago and I can’t remember anything about it.
Like, believe it or not, Maribou has never seen Pulp Fiction. But if you asked her to rattle off a bunch of lines from the film, she’d be able to do so. Me? I’ve never seen Mean Girls or Clueless. I sure as heck could rattle off some of the lines of those films for you. Heck, look at the movies made by James Cameron listed above: Aliens, the Terminators, True Lies, and Titanic? You could probably give lines from each of those right now.
“Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
“I’ll be back.”
“Hasta la vista, baby.”
“They were all bad.”
“I’ll never let go.”
See? That’s all from memory and I’m sure that you can rattle off another half dozen for most of them.
Avatar, however, doesn’t have any of that. Like, I’m trying to remember a single piece of dialog and I can’t remember anything. I saw it less than a month ago!
This is a movie that does not have a single “Hasta la vista, baby.”
We’re talking about James Cameron, here. This is a guy who knows how to insert a line like that into a film. The fact that there isn’t something like that in this film, the one that he was given close to free reign to make, strikes me as a deliberate choice on his part. Me saying “there isn’t particularly memorable dialog” isn’t me criticizing the film. It’s me saying “what was Cameron going for that he deliberately withheld particularly memorable dialog?”
Well, if you can’t remember the words… what was the rest of the movie like? I’ve got to say that the visuals struck me as exceptionally interesting. The digital part of the movie was absolutely gorgeous. The Na’vi (the blue people) had a ton of research behind them where scienticians carefully crafted aliens who were: cute, sexy, and, at the same time, communicated that they were capable of great violence. So, of course, they went with “let’s make them look like cats, kinda”. Because, let’s face it, cats are cute, sexy (if you’re into that), and quite regularly communicate that they are capable of great violence. Between barfing on the rug and begging for treats.
The rest of the world had visually stunning florae and faunae and megaflorae and megafaunae. When you were out in the world of Pandora, every frame had something beautiful in it. You were constantly looking at these gorgeous visuals. It was hard to believe that they were completely computer-generated. It was *EASY* to suspend disbelief.
Well, what about the story? I’m sure you’ll remember the line “Dances with Smurfs”. That’s pretty much what it was. You’ve got an outsider guy who joins up with a native tribe that speaks its own language and Pidgin English, they teach the outsider their ways, and he goes native. He’s better at making war than they are. After several montages that show him learning how to be a blue cat person, he leads a battle against his former comrades and delivers a crushing defeat to the much more technologically advanced bad guys.
They did a great job of making the good guys bright and colorful and the bad guys were all dull metal.
So, when they asked “did you like it?”, I mean… it’s almost beside the point. It was carefully calibrated in a lab to make me like it. They spent millions on making the movie as likable as possible.
But it was, effectively, a theme park ride. That was a fun ride and I really liked it.
What Avatar was *NOT*, however, was particularly memorable. Which seems odd for one of the movies to have held the “highest grossing movie *EVER*” record for a while.
I have to assume that it was deliberate on the part of the creator… but it also strikes me as a bit of a mistake. Given the lack of cultural footprint, I wonder if Cameron also thinks that it’s a bit of a mistake.
As such, I will keep my ears open for whether the upcoming sequel will have an “Hasta la vista, baby.”
I saw it when it came out and generally agree with you. My take on Cameron is that his obsession with movie making technology finally turned the corner and consumed him. So instead of using the technology to showcase the movie he used the movie to showcase the technology. Maybe that’s interesting and memorable to a very niche kind of film making audience in a ‘what could the most skilled hand do with all the money in the world?’ kind of way. But it isn’t going to do much for the average movie goer, beyond what you said, that being a theme park ride you take once and never think about again.Report
As an aside, there’s an intro on the DVD to the Aliens director’s cut where IIRC Cameron says ‘this is the ride you were supposed to take.’ That says to me this tendency has always been there with him. An interesting comparison among his own works might be the Abyss. That’s another one where the cutting edge technology takes the center stage over a plot and characters that left 0 imprint on the culture.Report
Yeah, if you asked me “what was significant about Avatar – no Googling”, my response would be that it was in 3D — that’s all I really remember about it. It was the first new-style 3D movie and the only one that I ever actually chose to watch in 3D, and I was underwhelmed, except for one scene where there’s some pollen-like stuff floating around and it felt like it was all around me.Report
Yea the pollen thing was my main recollection of the experience as well.Report
I have to disagree, when I was last at Disney World in February of 2020, Avatar was my favorite ride. It was quite an immersive lifelike experience riding one of those flying thingees. I could feel it breathing between my legs, smell the alien pollen, and feel the water spray from far-away oceans. Wait, what are we talking about?Report
More seriously, perhaps the movie would be better appreciated if seen as an advertisement for the theme park he would create.Report
For me it’s hard to remember much about any sci-fi/fantasy movie that has very little real imagination. Avatar’s plot was a lot like an old Hope/Crosby Road picture (or many other adventure flicks) where some intruder falls for the chief’s daughter, she falls for him, and the witch doctor/war chief wanted her for himself and treachery occurs. Or how about: it’s like a tiger only blue and with six legs, or it’s like a bull only blue with six legs? Or how about: there’s a Tree of Wisdom that guides the planet…and it looks like a nicely lit-up tree (that oh-so-wisely sends it’s troops head-on into the machine guns). Not mention that in Reel One we hear “only five people have ridden the Tyrannosaurus Bird.” Guess what’s gonna happen in the Third Reel.
I suppose it had terrific special effects, but really, when was that last time you saw a movie with any budget that didn’t have terrific special effects? I’m a big fan of most of Cameron’s work, but Avatar was pretty much a waste of time. (One big exception — the scene where the paraplegic guy gets to run again. Wow. Nicely done.)Report
Chekhov’s Tyrannosaurus BirdReport
Yeah, the special effects were really good and I thought “these are really good for 2022!”
So I imagine that, in 2009, they were unbelievable.
I never thought “oh, this is two people standing in front of a green screen” so that might put it apart from any given Disney Marvel movie (where I regularly think such things).
So if he’s able to put together a movie with similar special effects and is able to avoid the uncanny stuff that yanks you out of the ride, that’s one thing that he’ll offer that other people don’t seem to be able to consistently deliver.
But I don’t know that that’s a formula for a successful Avatar 3: Air Pollution, Avatar 4: Hot Lava, and Avatar 5: Black Snow.Report
Wait, maybe I take that back a little:
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Dances With Wolves In Space. Completely forgettable, aside from adding an additional layer of confusion to conversations about “Avatar: The Last Airbender” (no, not the one with the blue aliens; no, not the movie, the anime).Report
I wanted to see more of the military guy. I feel like “The Last Great White Hunter” could have been a really interesting tragedy, but they kind of didn’t want to tell us that story and he ended up just being the bad guy.Report
Yeah, he was awesome. “He’s a machine!”, I kept thinking.
Which was, I suppose, part of the point.Report
I’d have really loved a scene where he turned to Jake and said “you know, all you’ve done is come here and make yourself into something else just to pretend that you belong.” (turns and points to Tsu’tey.) “I feel closer to him than I do to you, even though he and I can’t breathe the same air. Because we both know what this place is and how to live in it. We belong here as we are.”
And then the end of the movie is the place in question saying “no, actually, you don’t belong here, you can’t simply jam yourself into a place and declare that you fit, you do have to do the work to be part of this world.”
(Although that would be considered a massive apologia for Subculture Gatekeeping, which might not be acceptable in this time where jocks have risen and nerds fallen.)Report
The only thing I remember about Avatar is how preposterously stupid “unobtainium” was.Report
Unobtainium may be the exact polar opposite of Hasta la vista, baby.Report
I remember hearing about it and thinking “oh, haha, they’re doing that old engineer joke” but then I watched the movie and it’s not a joke, they genuinely nonironically call it that, the characters in the film are 100% serious about it, and I spent the whole time wondering whether that was supposed to be the joke maybe?Report
My understanding is that James Cameron strictly prohibits joking of any kind.Report
The crazy scientist in The Core created unobtainium. It was stupid, but was far from the stupidest thing in that movie.Report
I audibly snorted at that moment.Report
I watched Matrix Reloaded in a theater full of tech workers. There were two big laugh lines. The first was at the end of the Freddy vs. Jason trailer when the title was announced. The second was “I’m the architect.”Report
Avatar: The Way of the Water is confirmed to have a runtime of over 3 hours.
This is discrimination against people over 40.Report