Avatar Has No “Hasta la Vista, Baby”

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22 Responses

  1. InMD says:

    I saw it when it came out and generally agree with you. My take on Cameron is that his obsession with movie making technology finally turned the corner and consumed him. So instead of using the technology to showcase the movie he used the movie to showcase the technology. Maybe that’s interesting and memorable to a very niche kind of film making audience in a ‘what could the most skilled hand do with all the money in the world?’ kind of way. But it isn’t going to do much for the average movie goer, beyond what you said, that being a theme park ride you take once and never think about again.Report

    • InMD in reply to InMD says:

      As an aside, there’s an intro on the DVD to the Aliens director’s cut where IIRC Cameron says ‘this is the ride you were supposed to take.’ That says to me this tendency has always been there with him. An interesting comparison among his own works might be the Abyss. That’s another one where the cutting edge technology takes the center stage over a plot and characters that left 0 imprint on the culture.Report

    • KenB in reply to InMD says:

      Yeah, if you asked me “what was significant about Avatar – no Googling”, my response would be that it was in 3D — that’s all I really remember about it. It was the first new-style 3D movie and the only one that I ever actually chose to watch in 3D, and I was underwhelmed, except for one scene where there’s some pollen-like stuff floating around and it felt like it was all around me.Report

    • PD Shaw in reply to InMD says:

      I have to disagree, when I was last at Disney World in February of 2020, Avatar was my favorite ride. It was quite an immersive lifelike experience riding one of those flying thingees. I could feel it breathing between my legs, smell the alien pollen, and feel the water spray from far-away oceans. Wait, what are we talking about?Report

  2. rexknobus says:

    For me it’s hard to remember much about any sci-fi/fantasy movie that has very little real imagination. Avatar’s plot was a lot like an old Hope/Crosby Road picture (or many other adventure flicks) where some intruder falls for the chief’s daughter, she falls for him, and the witch doctor/war chief wanted her for himself and treachery occurs. Or how about: it’s like a tiger only blue and with six legs, or it’s like a bull only blue with six legs? Or how about: there’s a Tree of Wisdom that guides the planet…and it looks like a nicely lit-up tree (that oh-so-wisely sends it’s troops head-on into the machine guns). Not mention that in Reel One we hear “only five people have ridden the Tyrannosaurus Bird.” Guess what’s gonna happen in the Third Reel.

    I suppose it had terrific special effects, but really, when was that last time you saw a movie with any budget that didn’t have terrific special effects? I’m a big fan of most of Cameron’s work, but Avatar was pretty much a waste of time. (One big exception — the scene where the paraplegic guy gets to run again. Wow. Nicely done.)Report

    • KenB in reply to rexknobus says:

      Chekhov’s Tyrannosaurus BirdReport

    • Jaybird in reply to rexknobus says:

      Yeah, the special effects were really good and I thought “these are really good for 2022!”

      So I imagine that, in 2009, they were unbelievable.

      I never thought “oh, this is two people standing in front of a green screen” so that might put it apart from any given Disney Marvel movie (where I regularly think such things).

      So if he’s able to put together a movie with similar special effects and is able to avoid the uncanny stuff that yanks you out of the ride, that’s one thing that he’ll offer that other people don’t seem to be able to consistently deliver.

      But I don’t know that that’s a formula for a successful Avatar 3: Air Pollution, Avatar 4: Hot Lava, and Avatar 5: Black Snow.Report

  3. Fish says:

    Dances With Wolves In Space. Completely forgettable, aside from adding an additional layer of confusion to conversations about “Avatar: The Last Airbender” (no, not the one with the blue aliens; no, not the movie, the anime).Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Fish says:

      I wanted to see more of the military guy. I feel like “The Last Great White Hunter” could have been a really interesting tragedy, but they kind of didn’t want to tell us that story and he ended up just being the bad guy.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

        Yeah, he was awesome. “He’s a machine!”, I kept thinking.

        Which was, I suppose, part of the point.Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

          I’d have really loved a scene where he turned to Jake and said “you know, all you’ve done is come here and make yourself into something else just to pretend that you belong.” (turns and points to Tsu’tey.) “I feel closer to him than I do to you, even though he and I can’t breathe the same air. Because we both know what this place is and how to live in it. We belong here as we are.”

          And then the end of the movie is the place in question saying “no, actually, you don’t belong here, you can’t simply jam yourself into a place and declare that you fit, you do have to do the work to be part of this world.”

          (Although that would be considered a massive apologia for Subculture Gatekeeping, which might not be acceptable in this time where jocks have risen and nerds fallen.)Report

  4. veronica d says:

    The only thing I remember about Avatar is how preposterously stupid “unobtainium” was.Report

  5. Jaybird says:

    Avatar: The Way of the Water is confirmed to have a runtime of over 3 hours.

    This is discrimination against people over 40.Report