A Scottish Vision of America

Mike Coté

Mike Coté is a writer and podcaster focusing on history, Great Power rivalry, and geopolitics. He has a Master’s degree in European history, and is working on a book about the Anglo-German economic and strategic rivalry before World War I. He writes for National Review, Providence Magazine, and The Federalist, hosts the Rational Policy podcast, and can be found on Twitter @ratlpolicy.

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  1. Cool article, thanks for posting.Report

  2. Saul Degraw says:

    Maybe an 18th century Scottish version of America with generous misinterpretations and highly selective quoting of Adam Smith (let’s ignore all the proto-welfare state parts of the Wealth of Nations!!!) The Scots have moved on from an 18th century yeoman farmer fantasy definition of liberty, so can we and so should we.Report

  3. Pinky says:

    I’ve been across Scotland once – from Edinburgh to Oban, just south of the Highlands. Beautiful country. I know that history is more complicated than this, but I remember seeing the Edinburgh Castle for the first time and thinking “wow, the Scottish must be terrible soldiers, because the people who occupy that castle shouldn’t ever have been defeated”. Everyone I know wants to go to Ireland, but I’d love an excuse to go back to Scotland.

    I’m curious if you’ve ever read “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” by Thomas Sowell. You wrote about the feuding culture of the American South being transferred over from Scotland, and it went along with Sowell’s analysis. I’m not sure about the second half of his thesis, but the first half makes a lot of sense to me.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    “We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject.”

    “The masters, upon these occasions, are just as clamorous upon the other side, and never cease to call aloud for the assistance of the civil magistrate, and the rigorous execution of those laws which have been enacted with so much severity against the combination of servants, labourers, and journeymen.”

    Where did such socialism come from? Adam Smith of course! But it is an accurate description of our 21st century bosses, same as the 18th century bosses.Report

    • Pinky in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      This is weird. It’s like, the contents of the article didn’t bother you as much as that the article wasn’t about what you wanted it to be.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Pinky says:

        Is Marijuana legal in Scotland?

        No. It is not.Report

      • Michael Cain in reply to Pinky says:

        Most people who actually read Smith, or pre-WWII/Cold War Hayek, are very surprised.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Michael Cain says:

          I’ve never read him. My understanding is that, as an opponent of government intervention, he goes into specifics about when government intervention would be acceptable, and thus the modern reader can be surprised how much of The Wealth of Nations is about government intervention. Another misconception is due to context: the modern reader thinks of government intervention as supporting the poor over the rich, so Smith’s fans and opponents assume that anti-intervention = supporting business. In point of fact, government intervention at the time looked more like the East India Company.Report

          • Michael Cain in reply to Pinky says:

            An opponent of certain kinds of government intervention. He opposed extremes of mercantilism and the things that came with it like high tariffs and trade restrictions. Probably worth noting that when Smith and Ricardo wrote, international trade was self-limiting because there was a limit on wealth reserves that backed things up. He believed that speaking broadly, firm profits should be low because competition, and labor wages should be high because skilled specialization. The government ought to educate everyone to increase the supply of skilled labor.

            I suspect Smith would have supported one of Cain’s Laws™, the one that says, “Every situation where it is easier to become wealthy by shuffling financial assets than by managing the production of the underlying goods and services will end badly.”Report

          • Michael Cain in reply to Pinky says:

            Hayek is fun too. Consider this quote from The Road to Serfdom:

            There is no reason why in a society which has reached the general level of wealth which ours has attained [NW note: Hayek was writing not in prosperous post-war America, but in war-torn, austerity-ridden Britain in 1943] the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom. …. [T]here can be no doubt that some minimum of food, shelter, and clothing, sufficient to preserve health and the capacity to work, can be assured to everybody. … Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individual in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision.

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            • KenB in reply to Michael Cain says:

              I mean, this doesn’t surprise me at all, and I suspect it wouldn’t be surprising to most people who recognize the name “Hayek”. It’s only a caricature of libertarians/classical liberals to think that they’re good with people starving in the streets. But there’s a huge gap between this “pity-charity” approach and the tenets of modern US liberalism.Report

            • InMD in reply to Michael Cain says:

              Now, now, we’re not supposed to talk about all that technical gobbledygook. The real meat is where he says that if we don’t cut marginal tax rates for the top bracket by 4% the economy will blow up so bad a ball of white hot energy will incinerate the surface of the country and appoint Jimmy Carter dictator of the ruins that remain.Report

    • Chris in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      It seems perfectly reasonable to comment on the myopic (in its theoretical form) and facile (in its popular form) American conceptions of freedom and liberty in an article suggesting that another country shares these conceptions. Pay no attention to the peanut gallery.Report

  5. PD Shaw says:

    I enjoyed the essay. If there had been room for more, I would have included a reference to David Hume, whose writings were highly influential in the Federalist Papers. Hume experienced convulsive changes in Scotland from 1720 to 1750 and was in a position to contemplate a new type of governance.

    In particular, Hume’s thoughts were influential on faction, the various kinds, and the harms they produce. From Hume, the notion was derived that a larger republic is superior to the small, because the power of “intrigue, prejudice, and passion” of faction is defused by the remoteness of power. By subsuming governance into larger institutions over larger territories, a great variety of factions must coordinate to wield power, thus limiting the harms from faction. There is no attempt to end faction, that is seen as impossible without despotism and even then faction isn’t truly destroyed so much as concealed.Report