Thursday Throughput: Yes, the Big Bang Happened
[ThTh1] The headline is startling: it claims that the new JWST data proves that the Big Bang Never Happened. But is it true? Has JWST disproven the Big Bang?
No.
The piece is by Eric Lerner, who is not an astronomer but a researcher in plasma physics. Lerner has spent the last 30 years claiming that the Big Bang never happened (it’s the title of his 1991 book) in favor of plasma cosmology.
I won’t pretend to understand plasma cosmology in fine detail, but the basic idea was to explain a still outstanding problem in cosmology — why is there more matter than anti-matter in the universe? They should, in principle, be balanced. Plasma cosmology postulated that the universe had both matter and antimatter and was presented as an alternative to the expanding universe model. However, by the 1990’s, it was becoming clear that plasma cosmology had problems explaining the observational data and interest in it faded. Lerner has continued to tout it, however, and is now claiming that the new JWST results show that the Big Bang is wrong and vindicate his adherence to this theory.
The TL;DR version here is that Lerner still can not adequately explain the primary evidence in favor of the Big Bang, is misquoting both the JWST results and the scientists involved and has yet to present an alternative cosmology that works.
Now the long version.
Lerner’s claims are based on very early JWST data. Astronomers are getting their first look at some of the earliest galaxies in the Universe. In order to know where those galaxies are in the in the cosmos, they have to estimate their distances based on the presence or absence of those galaxies in JWST’s filters. However, JWST is still being calibrated and we know that, as a result, some of these distances have been significantly overestimated. What this means is that some galaxies we thought we were seeing as they were 13 billion years ago are actually being seen as they were 10 billion years ago. That is a huge difference, going from “cosmic dawn”, when galaxies were first forming, to “cosmic noon”, when galaxies were at their most active.
Moreover, none of these discoveries are inconsistent with the Big Bang. Even taken at face value, they show that galaxies may have grown and evolved much more rapidly than we thought. And, as a reminder, figuring out how galaxies evolved in the early universe is why we built JWST in the first place.
A perfect illustration of this is that Lerner quotes Kansas Astronomer Dr. Alison Kirkpatrick as saying, “Right now I find myself lying awake at three in the morning and wondering if everything I’ve done is wrong.” The implication is that she’s talking about the Big Bang. The reality, if you look at the actual Nature article that the quote comes from, is that she’s talking about galaxy evolution models which, again, is precisely what JWST was designed to test.1 Astronomers I’ve spoken to have said that, even if these preliminary results are born out, there is nothing wrong that can’t be fixed by adjusting the initial mass functions or the speed at which central black holes grow or other known factors.
In other words, this isn’t the Big Bang Theory being disproved. This is the Big Bang Theory being improved by new results from a region of the cosmos we’ve never had a chance to explore. I hate to keep repeating myself but … this is why we built the damn telescope.
Is it possible that we’re wrong about the Big Bang? No scientific theory is safe from disproof. But if you’re going to bring down the Big Bang Theory, you’re going to need a lot more than a misunderstanding of JWST data and a misquote of an astronomer. And you’re going to need a theory that explains the existing data better that our current one. Plasma cosmology doesn’t do that.
The strength of the Big Bang Theory is not that astronomers like it. In fact, the name “Big Bang” was coined by Hoyle to mock the theory because it was so in conflict with what scientists — including Einstein — believed at the time. The strength of the Big Bang Theory comes from the massive weight of evidence supporting it.
Fundamentally, the proof of the Big Bang is that it predicts a universe that evolves and changes with time. When we look at the distant universe, we see it as it was when the light was emitted. And so we should a universe that is different from our current universe. That is what we see: galaxies are smaller, black holes are more active, clusters are still forming and, ultimately, we can see the glow from 380,000 years after the Big Bang when the universe’s density had dropped enough for light to flow.
Going even further, the Big Bang Theory rests on seven pillars of evidence. Those pillars are:
- The Big Bang Theory correctly predicted the detection of the Cosmic Microwave Background — that faint microwave glow that represents the time when the universe became transparent to light (pictured above). Moreover those little lumps and bumps in the CMB — which are the beginnings of galaxies, clusters and large-scale structures — are consistent with theoretical expectations.
- When we look at distant galaxies, we find that they are moving away from us. And the further a galaxy is, the faster it is moving. This is consistent with an expanding universe. The General Theory of Relativity predicted this but it was so counterintuitive that Einstein spent years trying to fix this “flaw” in his theory. I explain the Hubble Flow in the short video below.
- The Big Bang Theory correctly reproduces the basic chemical composition of the universe: 75% hydrogen and 25% helium with almost all heavy elements having been forged by stars.
- The Big Bang Theory correctly predicts the large scale structure in the universe. When we look at millions of galaxies, we find that they are not distributed randomly, but form vast structure in the cosmos. This happens naturally when you have tiny inhomogeneities in the early universe and let gravity do its thing.
- The Big Bang correctly predicts that, over large enough scales, the universe is homogenous.
- Particle accelerator experiments, which can briefly reproduce the conditions of the early universe, are consistent with what we measure cosmologically.
- The Big Bang is consistent with our understanding of existing physical laws as well as other unrelated branches of astrophysics. For example, the age of the oldest stars is roughly consistent with the age of the universe.
That’s a pretty hefty trove of evidence based, not on one result, but on hundreds. It is the fusion of many many wildly different strains of investigation. It’s not perfect — there is a growing tension in the Hubble Constant and we still have no idea what Dark Energy is. But if the Big Bang and any alternative theory played basketball, it would be like the Harlem Globetrotters playing my junior year physics intramural team.
Now what about the alternative? In order to reject the theory of the Big Bang in favor of plasma cosmology, it’s not enough to accept one fringe theory. You have to accept a ziggurat of fringe theories. You have to assume that our understanding of almost everything is not only wrong, but fundamentally broken. Just a few examples:
- In order to explain away the cosmic expansion, you have to invoke “tired light”, the notion that light loses energy as it travels through the cosmos, thus making objects appear to be redder. The problem is that tired light relies on unproven physics, the phenomena has never been measured and it is inconsistent with other independent tests of the reality of cosmic expansion — such as the change in galaxy surface brightness with distance, the time dilation of distant sources and the shape of the CMB. Tired light has been invoked several times to explain inconvenient results — such as the first detection of the influence of dark energy. It has failed every time.
- In order to explain away Dark Matter, you have to invoke MOND — the ad-hoc unproven theory that the laws of motion change at very low accelerations. But the results from the Bullet Cluster were so convincing that even the advocates of MOND have admitted you can’t make it work without some Dark Matter.
- To explain away the CMB, you have to invoke a previously undetected intergalactic medium that is emitting the light. But this plows into huge problems with surveys of radio galaxies and no such medium is detected in front of bright galaxies. Moreover, we can see that the CMB photons interact with galaxy clusters, which only makes sense if it is coming from behind them.
- To explain away the abundances of hydrogen and helium in the universe, you have to assume that all the helium was generated by stars. But we know what kind of elements stellar explosions yield. They don’t release nearly enough helium to account for what we’re seeing.
I feel like I’m using a 2×4 to swat flies here — Lerner is a pushing theory that very few people accept on an obscure website. But his article is being touted by a lot of people and is finding its way into mainstream sources. My point here is not to “get” Lerner, it’s to show that the Big Bang Theory is supported by a gigantic weight of evidence. That it has been challenged on numerous occasions and those challenges have been found wanting. That alternative theories are numerous and continually run aground on observational evidence.
(Lerner’s article is being touted by a bunch of religious folks who think the Big Bang theory contradicts Genesis. This is ironic, because plasma cosmology was first designed by Alfven because he felt the Big Bang Theory had a whiff of creationism about it.)
The preliminary JWST results are very exciting and may, if confirmed, show that our models of how galaxies grow and evolve in the early universe have big, but fixable, problems. But nothing in the data even hints that Big Bang Theory is wrong. In fact, if you look at this issue from a few miles up, what do you see? An early universe that is shifted far into the red, that has galaxies very different from later eras and that is challenging — as all new data does — some of what we think we know. That’s not science failing. That’s science working.
[ThTh2] In actual JWST results, behold the newest image of Jupiter.
[ThTh3] While I’m ranting and raving, the CDC has recently changed their COVID guidelines to be generally less strict. This does not mean that the COVID deniers were right. What it means is that the guidelines we had at the beginning of the pandemic were based on a population that was immunologically naive — had never been exposed to COVID-19. Now, almost everyone has either had the illness or been vaccinated, so we all have some level of resistance. Not enough — it is still killing hundreds of Americans every day. But enough that the balance over what is safe and what isn’t has changed.
Fundamentally, though, we’re still in the same place. Get vaxxed. Get boosted. If you’re exposed, wear a mask. If you’re sick, isolate.
[ThTh4] And still on COVID, maybe it’s my imagination, but the anti-vax talking points keep getting dumber and dumber. A couple of weeks ago, the internet lit up with a claim that the vaccine caused miscarriage rates of 44%. It wasn’t true, as a simple check of the tables would have revealed. Or a check of the increased birth rate after the vaccines went live. Or a simple check into Naomi Wolf’s past, which has included incredibly dubious and mathematically challenged claims. They’ve also been making claims that the vaccine has killed hundreds of thousands (it hasn’t) and that Paxlovid is poison (it’s not).
I try to treat most people whose views differ from mine with respect. I don’t always succeed but it’s something I try to keep in mind. But anti-vaxxers … I won’t. This movement is pure luddite trash that revels in increased human suffering and death. I guess we should just be glad that burning witches has gone out of fashion.
[ThTh5] Why do astronomers keep producing sounds of the universe that sound like tortured souls? It’s what we do best.
The misconception that there is no sound in space originates because most space is a ~vacuum, providing no way for sound waves to travel. A galaxy cluster has so much gas that we've picked up actual sound. Here it's amplified, and mixed with other data, to hear a black hole! pic.twitter.com/RobcZs7F9e
— NASA Exoplanets (@NASAExoplanets) August 21, 2022
[ThTh6] Digging into an astronomical mystery.
[ThTh7] I once saw Shock Diamonds open for Slayer.
Astronomers have discovered one of the biggest black hole jets in the sky. Spanning more than a million light years from end to end, the jet shoots away from a black hole at almost the speed of light showing shock diamonds analogous to jet engines https://t.co/t1iJ2ZsGQl pic.twitter.com/G1Et6tUv2Y
— Massimo (@Rainmaker1973) August 20, 2022
[ThTh8] So you don’t believe an asteroid killed the dinosaurs, huh? Would you believe two?
[ThTh9] A lot of truth here
Why your PhD advisor can solve your problem so "easily" #AcademicChatter #Sketchnote pic.twitter.com/HDMhGdASlc
— Dr. Victoria Grinberg (@vicgrinberg) August 19, 2022
[ThTh10] Some new nuclear fusions results are confirmed although they are having trouble recreating the conditions of the experiment.
[ThTh11] Betelgeuse belched out a gigantic amount of material three years ago. But it’s feeling much better now.
[ThTh12] A really wonderful Twitter thread ranking species from most unlike us to most like us.
[ThTh13] The idea of teaching a waves class terrifies me. But this is a great demonstration. Just need a pool in the classroom.
A perfect standing wave on a computer controlled wave pool used for research in university pic.twitter.com/dYkCydIzk6
— Engineering (@ENGlNEERlNG_) August 10, 2022
[ThTh14] One of my pet peeves is people comparing health data from the United States to other countries without accounting for difference in how those outcomes are measured. Here’s a thread showing that no, Virginia, we do not have the same maternal mortality rate as Syria.
[ThTh15] While I supported COVID mitigations, there will be a price to pay. It’s especially bad in this case because it’s not clear that these mitigations — masking children in schools — helped a great deal. However, it’s also not clear that these setbacks are permanent. I have said to my colleagues that we’re going to be feeling the educational fallout of the pandemic for a decade. And I think a fallout would have happened without remote schooling or masking, just in a different form. I have yet to see anything to cause me to reconsider that opinion.
- He also notes that a new paper starts off with the world “Panic!”. He leaves out the next few words: “Panic! At the Disks”. It’s a joke, son.
Long enough to let serious commenters have a say…
The first launch window for Artemis 1/SLS/Orion is next Monday. If they launch, regardless of how good or bad things look by Thursday, I expect a discussion of whether paying the $4B price tag — per the NASA IG, and excluding development costs — makes any sense.Report
a) the four-billion-dollar cost doesn’t actually exclude development
b) it also includes the cost of missions that NASA has proposed but not actually started planning for or working on
c) along with several things that NASA will use to support Artemis but would probably do anyway (and would pay for from a separate budget in either case)
d) we’re still well below the cost of the Apollo program both in an actual-dollars sense and in a percentage-of-GDP senseReport
From the IG’s report:
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ThTh15: A-yup.
But remember… those of us who advocated for children were really just death cultists who wanted kids and teachers dead.
That was a fun smear for this teacher/father.Report
There were legitimate concerns, sure. But there were also people who just glommed onto anything they could to take the side of the virus. And they still do. The existence of the latter made it hard for the former to be heard.Report
That’s my point.
The virus posed risks.
Virus mitigation efforts had risks.
Acknowledging the latter — even in conjunction with the former — made one a teacher and child-hating death cultist.
On a local FB board I was told I didn’t care about kids or teachers… a weird charge for someone who’s dedicated his life to being a teacher and working with kids.Report
For the majority of kids it’ll probably be a medium or minor issue, for those poor kids, it’ll be devastating. The last time I paid attention, because I have friends who work there, the Baltimore city public schools had kids years behind where they should have been BEFORE the pandemic (which they were “graduating”, and it’s only gotten worse. Given the incompetent administration and teacher’s union, those kids are now even farther back and, essentially, lost.Report
It is A LOT more complicated than this and obviously nothing is universal but one of the major negatives that arose for schools/students as a result of the pandemic was that existing inequities were exacerbated.
Some of this was unavoidable… a result of the inequities already present in schools and broader society. But some of it could have been avoided and/or better accounted for.
I mean, even on a micro-level… my sons are generally typically developing and have fared much better than my stepdaughter who has some developmental/neuro differences and who just got slammed by everything.
ETA: By “this” in the first sentence I mean what I’m about to say.Report
Yep: “Some of this was unavoidable… a result of the inequities already present in schools and broader society. But some of it could have been avoided and/or better accounted for.” Yep, yet nothing was done…..and, as far as I know RE Baltimore, still isn’t.Report
Probably lots of reasons for that, including the existing dysfunction in the system. But also lots of people who staked their claim on strict mitigation efforts having zero costs now have to double down on that by insisting there are no problems to address.Report
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The existence of the latter made it hard for the former to be heard.
Not exactly — people’s tribalism and resistance to doubt made them focus on the worst of their outgroup to reinforce their own sense of rightness rather than wrestle with the complexities of the actual situation. And some others who didn’t suffer from this themselves found that they could capitalize on it for their own benefit. Like with every other politicized topic.Report
Lerner’s article is being touted by a bunch of religious folks who think the Big Bang theory contradicts Genesis. This is ironic, because plasma cosmology was first designed by Alfven because he felt the Big Bang Theory had a whiff of creationism about it.
Which makes it something of the opposite of Occam’s Razor, which is often cited as an argument in favor of atheism but was in fact proposed as an argument against it, in support of what we’d today call Intelligent Design.Report
[ThTh7] another useful rebuttal to the people who explain cosmological weirdness by saying that the laws of physics are Just Different when you’re in space or far away or really bigReport
The animal twitter thread is awesome… I expected it to be a subjective ranking so it was really cool to see the classification used. But… how is a snake a tetrapod?!Report
They have the genes to grow legs, and many actually do form tiny legs for a brief period during embryo development; some even keep remnants of these legs as little spurs that stick out past their scales.Report
Oh cool snakes just got scarier. THANKS TWITTER!Report
As the duck says, they have vestigial bits of leg, but that’s not what makes them tetrapods. A tetrapod is not defined as any animal with four legs, but rather as any animal descended from the last common ancestor of all tetrapods.
That sounds a bit circular, but it really isn’t. Biologists identified a bunch of animals that were more closely related to each other than to other animals (indicating descent from a common ancestor), noticed that the vast majority of them had four limbs, and called that group of animals tetrapods.
So I think extant tetrapods include mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and birds. Dinosaurs were tetrapods too, of course.
Taxonomic names can be confusing. There’s an order of mammals called Carnivora. Not all members of this order are carnivorous (e.g. pandas), and many carnivorous mammals are not members of this order.Report
[ThTh3] The US didn’t follow it’s own pandemic protocols (per a reliable person who knows). Emergency supplies had been allowed to be reduced and not replaced on prior administrations. I’m not assigning blame, it would likely have happened under ANY prior administration. Fauci lied INTENTIONALLY, and admitted it so on national television. The guidelines? Pretty much what you should do during flu season. The real issue was the panic and the related control steps that crushed the economy.Report
“Emergency supplies had been allowed to be reduced and not replaced on prior administrations. I’m not assigning blame, it would likely have happened under ANY prior administration.”
This seems to me not only entirely unsurprising but maybe not even wrong.
Maintaining a vast emergency supply takes lots of resources. You need storage space, you need to buy/maintain/replace supplies based on their approved shelf life, you need to pay people to do all that, etc.
In 50 years, when most of us with a real working memory of everything that transpired around the pandemic are old and/or dead, 30 or 40-year-old hospital administrators are going to say, “Why are we spending so much on a room full of masks that we have to throw out and replace every decade?” and most people are going to shrug and they’ll empty the room and add beds and divert those resources to patient care. And will they be obviously *wrong* to do that?Report
Yes they will be wrong. Just like people will say it was “wrong” to allow our manufacturing capability to be offshored to countries 8000 miles from us, ESPECIALLY if and when our manufacturing sector is called upon to help us fight in a war.Report
Not sure if you are being serious or not. At the very least, I don’t think it is “obviously right” that we should live every day with an eye towards a once-in-every-100-years-event happening.Report
I am. The us has very little manufacturing base anymore. What defense products that are made are heavily reliant on Taiwan and Japan (among others) for chips. There’s no way that the us could sustain a long term military conflict against anyone but third world countries for any length of time, not especially when we’ve given a lot of our stockpile to Ukraine (and so has a lot of western Europe)Report
Maintaining some here may be prudent… but as a society are we all willing to pay increased prices to keep it all here? Pretty sure we collectively decided no.Report
Funny, I don’t seem to recall a vote on that, or even an election where that was a campaign issue.:)Report
Do you pay more to exclusively buy American?Report
The question isn’t whether American parts cost more, it’s whether there are American parts to buy.
There are three companies in the world that can build leading-edge ICs (10nm and below): TSMC in Taiwan, Samsung in South Korea, and Intel. While all of them operate fabs in lots of places around the world, TSMC is notorious for only fabricating their leading-edge stuff in Taiwan.
It’s not just leading edge stuff. Consider automotive ICs. Most are manufactured by one company in Japan, not because they’re so complicated but because there’s a bunch of old specific standards those chips have to meet. The Japanese company has carved out a niche for themselves, including all of the design help and software tools the auto companies need. They stay in Japan because there are more cars built in India and East Asia than in the US and Europe. (Presumably, US Army vehicles use the same sorts of chips to run their transmissions as the civilian companies.)
None of this is new. Back in the 1980s there was a global panic after a major fire at a chemical plant in Japan. It was the only place in the world that the raw plastic resin used for plastic IC packaging was made. IC prices went up a lot for a while.Report
Entirely fair.
My broader point though is that we make consumer choices which indicate our preferences and, collectively, these lead to things like hospitals not keeping massive reserves of PPE.
If we want hospitals to keep massive reserves of PPE, there are costs associated with that. Are we willing to bear those costs for the next XX years in anticipation of the next pandemic? For the last 100 years, the answer was, “No.” We’ll see what the next few decades indicate.Report
If we want hospitals to keep massive reserves of PPE, there are costs associated with that. Are we willing to bear those costs for the next XX years in anticipation of the next pandemic? For the last 100 years, the answer was, “No.” We’ll see what the next few decades indicate.
If that preference is to be borne out, it will be by government decree, not by individual consumer preferences. The vast majority of hospital care is paid for through insurance. Half of us get our insurance through work, choosing from the small number of insurance plans our employer offers. Whether a hospital is covered by that plan depends on its prices. A hospital that says, “Yes, our prices are higher, but we have a warehouse full of PPE and all of the staff necessary to be sure we’re managing that reasonably well,” is unlikely to be picked by the insurance plans.
Look at various safety and emission stuff for cars. As a general rule, off the record, the CEOs all said, “Yes, seat belts are the right thing to do. But please mandate it so when I have to increase my prices by $100 to cover those, all my competitors are in the same boat.”Report
Yes, a mandate could get us there. But would it shock you in 50 years time when a politician who was 5 when this all happened gets up and says, “We can lower your medical costs if we get rid of these needless stockpiles! Can you believe we require even small rural hospitals to stockpile THOUSANDS of masks?”
We are learning lessons from this. But how long will we retain them?Report
The other thing is that government stockpiles aren’t allowed to just sit in a warehouse forever until someone decides to use them (the way we all did with that two-pack of masks we bought in 2008 and only used one of.) They’re required to keep things in-date and functional.
And that actually was a problem for things like ventilators, because several states actually did buy a bunch of them for an emergency-supplies stockpile, and then the manufacturer went out of business, which meant that the stockpile managers couldn’t guarantee that they’d be able to get spare parts and service.Report
The Strategic National Stockpile — a real thing — had hundreds of ventilators that were unusable because they had not been maintained. I wonder about their stocks of smallpox vaccine, and tetracycline in case of a plague outbreak.Report
Buying new stuff is sexy and an easy political sell. Maintaining and replacing old stuff is neither.Report
There is no way ANY advanced military could sustain a high intensity conflict over medium or long term. All advanced weapons are far to complex to crank out like Liberty Ships in ww2.Report
We are set with nukes. Yeah the russians fight in the winter. Lol. Yes that is the history. Does the current deeply wounded russian army with poorly trained recruits and mercs suddenly become a juggernaut??? How does that happen.? They are poor in the summer/fall then get super powers in the winter. Ukraine will fight in the winter and still has home field advantage. I assume that some enterprising Ukrainians will be writing graffiti in Finish all around occupied territories during the winter as a reminder.Report
The two big advantages for the Russians in winter are supposed to be: (1) their opponents are far from home at the end of really troublesome logistics, and (2) problem-free maneuvering for tanks because the ground is frozen. NATO and the EU largely reverse (1), and 10,000 Javelins and equivalents make (2) unlikely.
I wonder if Ukraine has asked for full winter kit for 50,000 soldiers yet?Report
Bet they have. The two big examples of General Winterski fighting for the russians involve invaders blindly stupid to preparing for winter and being generally poor at logistics. Seems unlikely the UKR’s will have those same problems for the reasons you list and being a far more well prepared opponent.Report