Breaking: 19 Children, 2 Adults Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting
Editor’s Note: The death toll has increased to 19 children and 2 adults since the original posting.
Awful news coming out of a town 80 miles west of San Antonio: 15 victims dead in a mass shooting. The gunman is also deceased.
CBS News Live Feed:
ABC13:
UVALDE, Texas — Fourteen students and a teacher are dead after a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to Gov. Greg Abbott.
The suspect was identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, a student at Uvalde High School. He is also dead, Abbott said.
“He shot and killed horrifically and incomprehensibly 14 students and killed a teacher,” Abbott said during an unrelated press briefing.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott confirms at least 14 students at an elementary school were killed when a gunman gained entry on campus.
The suspect also allegedly shot his grandmother before entering the school and again opening fire, Abbott said. He did not say anything further about her condition.
Abbott said the shooter had a handgun and also possibly a rifle.
Emergency personnel gather near Robb Elementary School following a shooting, Tuesday, May 24, 2022, in Uvalde, Texas.
Uvalde Memorial Hospital had said 15 students were being treated in the hospital’s emergency department in the wake of the incident. Two patients were transferred to San Antonio for treatment, while a third was pending transfer, the hospital said. A 45-year-old was also hospitalized after getting grazed by a bullet, the hospital said.
University Health in San Antonio said it had two patients from the shooting incident — a child and an adult. The hospital said the adult — a 66-year-old woman — is in critical condition. It did not have an update yet on the condition of the child.
Bystander Isaias Melendez said he witnessed students evacuating a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.
The Children’s Hospital of San Antonio said it has also received patients from the shooting.
Or as they call it in America, a Tuesday.Report
So glad politicians tasked with making sure schools are safe places for children have focused their energies in the right direction: on shielding kids from the word gay instead of bullets.
Freedom rang a little clearer in Texas today.Report
In Only Country Where Thing Regularly Happens, Refuses to Do Thing That Would Make Thing Happens Far LessReport
As before-
Elections have consequences.
We keep getting lectures from Savvy Politics-Knowers that Dems need to be more like Republicans, you know, chatter on about Gawd and religion, and guns and Murica standing tall in the saddle, and by gum, then we will win.
But this has never worked from what I can tell, and the consequences of abandoning things like gun control and sensible foreign policy has only led to disaster.
The JesusGunsBabies crowd still hates our guts, and everyone remembers Hillary voting with the hawks but not one voter ever crossed over to vote Dem because of it, and whenever the subject of gun control comes up most Dem politicians curl up in a fetal position.Report
I think this is more complicated than either you or the Savvy are letting on. The Democratic Party can’t talk one hundred percent like the Republicans because then we would be Republicans. We can’t talk about God, mom, apple pie, and the 2nd Amendment as we attempt to defend pluralistic democracy, separation of religion and state, and promote gun control. At the same time the type of rhetoric that the very online likes, whether in their Jacobin or Intersectionalist form, really doesn’t work with the general electorate who tends to find activist speak grating at best and also is much more patriotic in that hokey way than the very online. So going America is a white settler colonist state and the Constitution was slave owner’s document won’t win us enough seats to do actually pass the laws we want.Report
At least they weren’t reading the wrong kinds of books.Report
We are a violent nation because we choose to be.
We are a fearful nation because we choose to be.
We have more guns then citizens – and in the hands of only a few because we choose it.
We are bathed in the blood of children regularly because we choose to be.
We are not a Christian nation for we refuse to spend our riches on those who need it most – including those with mental health issues.
We are not a Christian nation because we choose the sword for even the mildest inconvenience.
We are not a Christian nation because we choose to deny the love to our neighbors that we demand for ourselves.
We have become this monster with our eyes wide open facing front.
Damn us for doing so.Report
One of my least-favorite rhetorical devices is the self-exempting “we.” You say “we,” but clearly you’re referring exclusively to people with whom you have policy disagreements. Not you. You’ve made all the right choices, but you were overruled.
Just own it. Saying “we” doesn’t make you look any more humble or thoughtful.Report
I say we because I’m still a citizen, I still have agency, and I still haven’t been successful in better protecting my kids from all this. I say we because I still choose to own firearms, shoot, and train my children in their safe handling. I say we because this sis an American tragedy and I’m an American. I say we because if the policies and laws I support – which a majority of Americans support despite what our politicians do – have yet to become the law of the land.Report
So we have a magic wand we can wave to make suicidal mass murderers with no criminal record obey the law? And we haven’t chosen to use it?
Let me guess, the solution is to vote Blue and with a little bit of gun control, plus outlawing what is already illegal, this problem will go away.Report
I made a proposal in the other thread – what’s yours?Report
Outlaw the reporting of his name and agenda. Make it so he’s not a celeb.
I don’t remember (or didn’t see) what your idea was.Report
Well, if they didn’t show his name and photo in THIS CASE, we’d hear all the griping from the right-wing media machine and its followers about how the liberal media was hiding his race and ethnicity. So… good luck with that.
Because, ya know, they care what … with all their thoughts and prayers.Report
I don’t think Dark Matter meant to do it just in this case.Report
I understand that but my point is certain folks have shown over and over again that when it comes to axes to grind, “Fewer kids being shot in schools,” is relatively low on their list.
Even if we did this with every shooting going forward, the moment a Black or Brown person was the one pulling the trigger, we’d see right-wing outlets buck this practice.Report
And the moment a white kid…
What does that observation get us, except demonstrating that things are politicized? We all know that. It doesn’t address the merit of Dark Matter’s suggestion.
I mean, realistically, even if everyone on this site agreed with a proposal it wouldn’t affect anything, but this exercise is supposed to test ideas.
ETA: The Daily Wire didn’t break its policy on this one.Report
Also, it was a matter of days ago that this site’s left wing was implying that “it’s for the children” is always fake.
And I don’t think anyone puts “fewer kids being shot” (whatever the location) low on their list. They may disagree with your preferred policies though.Report
“The moment”? We already have minorities do this at numbers equal to their percentage of population.
Further, right-wing outlets aren’t suicide attackers. They’d still be around to face whatever the penalties of breaking the law are.Report
Two vaguely unpleasant facts:
I’m glad the border patrol agent was there.
The use of the term “law enforcement” seems to be inappropriate. Perhaps “bystander” would be more accurate?Report
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I could certainly believe that none of the cops actually hit the guy.
I’m reminded of that UPS-truck hijacking where the cops shot one hostage and two bystanders and none of the actual hijackers.Report
It’s been a problem for a long time. When I was in college many years ago, the local PD demanded that the city provide them with much more powerful handguns. The effort died after a couple of med school professors spoke at the city council meeting. They pointed out that in the last nine times officers had fired their weapons, they had hit zero suspects but three bystanders. The bystanders survived. The profs stated that in their opinion, all three would have died had the heavier weapons been in use.Report
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If they were employed as police
Officers or in any other sworn capacity then they are law enforcement. Their ineffective shooting is a different matter.
It does show, however, that if the trained professionals counts get him initially, the so called “good guy with a gun” wouldn’t have either.Report
I used to have a coast guard friend who explained that, unlike navy personnel, he had arrest powers, which I guess makes him “law enforcement.” I think park rangers work the same way.Report
Not all park rangers – most NPS rangers are not sworn law enforcement officers, so they lack the arrest powers your Coastie friend had.Report
Ah. I didn’t know that. Today I learned.Report
“Their ineffective shooting is a different matter.”
My complaint is their ineffective staying outside.Report
I don’t care who he was. I’m just glad he stopped the shooter from harming anyone else.Report
Yet many people think this is a small price to pay as long as it means being able to vent their resentments at bougie liberals.Report
I am now waiting for all our resident libertarians to weigh in on how tragic it is that 18 children and one apparently brave teacher have been deprived of their foundational right to life and liberty.Report
We obviously need more border patrol agents.Report
Proving Saul’s point I see.Report
No, I was actually failing to do a good job as resident libertarian pointing out that the government employee was the one who actually stopped the shooting.Report
I’m looking forward to your explanation of how jailing random Mexican teenagers will make the country safer.
Or maybe we could have an Official Government Department Of Looking At Everyone’s Instagram Profiles for Pictures That Indicate Antisocial Behavior. Yeah. That’ll work out great.Report
I don’t know what this means.Report