Inflation and the Historical Challenge

Eric Medlin

History instructor. Writer. Rising star in the world of affordable housing.

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  1. “Due to the reduced power of unions” is a claim in dire need of substantiation.Report

    • Also, what percentage of the U.S. workforce is actually in a union? 10%?Report

    • I think its about how you look at it. The membership in unions across the economy has been cut in half since 1983 – which is the first year that reliable statistics started to be kept. at rough 11% of the workforce, its arguable that unions no longer have the economic influence they once did.Report

      • InMD in reply to Philip H says:

        To the extent they punch above their weight I think it’s their presence in highly visible public services and a handful of strategic sectors. I think the OPs assertion is basically right though, that the impact of unions on the average person’s life is and has been in steep decline.Report

      • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

        I still don’t see the point of the relative strength or weakness of unions being a factor as it relates to wages keeping up with rapid inflation that occurs in a short timeframe. Even if a quarter of the workforce was union, it only helps 25% of the employed public (not retirees) and would only provide them in an incremental salary increase when the time comes to negotiate a new contract – whenever that might be.Report

        • How much of the work force needed to be unionized to drive wages overall used to be an active area of study for economists. IIRC, it’s about 35%. The models are similar for other sorts of cartels, eg OPEC. If OPEC controls 35% of the supply, they can control the price. There’s speculation that there will be a South American dominated OLEC (lithium) because three countries there control enough of the global supply to set the price. The big argument is whether they can succeed in the face of China, which controls an even bigger share of the demand for raw lithium.Report

    • Chris in reply to Kristin Devine says:

      There’s quite a large literature both on the effects of unions on wages and on the relationship between the decline of unions and the stagnation of wage growth between the 70s and the mid 10s.Report

  2. John Puccio says:

    Rightly or wrongly, as long as the Democrats are viewed as the party of spending and printing, they are going to wear inflation to their midterm funeral. No new messaging is going to change that if inflation continues through November.Report

    • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

      I’ll grant that Republicans manage to hide their spending and printing better then Democrats, but it doesn’t free them from that millstone. Look, for instance, at all the Republicans who are crowing about the Infrastructure Bill funds now coming to their states – after voting against those very dollars. There’s good campaign ad fodder there. Plus, Republicans had no problems printing stimulus money under Mr. Trump . . . .Report

      • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

        I totally agree with you. The Republicans only become fiscally “prudent” when it’s politically advantageous to appear so.

        But it doesn’t matter when you are playing political hot potato with the economy.Report

        • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

          Democrats – as I have often opined here – like to come to bazooka fights with charts and graphs. his is, sadly, not likely to be the exception.Report

          • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

            I hear you, but on this particular issue (the economy), I’m not sure what Bazooka model can thwart rising prices. That’s really all that matters.

            George HW went from a historically high approval rating to out of office in a year because of the economy. Sure, it took a 3rd party candidate, but “it’s the economy, stupid” is an expression for good reason. Perot wouldn’t have been a thing if the economy didn’t take a downturn.Report

  3. Dark Matter says:

    NPR was talking about this. There is broad support for the idea that the recent covid stimulus checks played a roll in pumping inflation.

    Supply chain and labor disruptions made is much harder to get [stuff]. Everything from new cars to home appliances. When people got unexpected windfalls, they spent it, on the [stuff] that wasn’t as available as usual.

    If we’re going to increase demand and decrease supply, prices will rise.

    There was disagreement on how much of a role the stim played in this and agreement that we were going to have problems with inflation anyway. The range of disagreement went from a quarter of the problem to three quarters of the problem (to be fair these were all wags).

    Things to take home from this are…
    1) Dem policy is indeed playing a role in increasing inflation.
    2) If NPR is openly admitting this then Fox and the Right most certainly will as well.Report

  4. Chip Daniels says:

    I always sneer at the “Let’s play Savvy Political Strategery-ist” game because it turns responsible engaged citizens into cynical observers.

    In the 1970’s the conservatives won my allegiance because they had a clear and understandable message: The government spends too much which leads to too many dollars chasing too few goods. We promise to cut spending and balance the budget.

    This is also how they began to lose my allegiance, when I was forced to admit somewhere in the early 90s that none of that happened, and they never even tried, and barely concealed the fact that they didn’t even want to.

    I’m quite sure that the Chris Rufos and Frant Luntzes will have all sorts of lies and frauds to whip up fear of inflation into votes.

    But the truth is that the Republicans don’t have a clear and coherent message on the economy now.
    Balance the budget? Nope.

    Cut spending? Nope. Oh, sure, for food stamps maybe. But they will just shift it to whatever pork barrel program the donors want.

    Cut taxes, further widening the yawning gap between what we take in and what we spend? OH HELL YEAH.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      Just not having more “stimulus” packages would go a long way.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

        So far as I can find on the intertubes no one in the left is calling for any more stimulus packages of the COVID varieties. The BBB is being discussed by some pundits as stimulus, but a lot of its components are also focused on previously neglected spending categories.Report

      • Wchip_aia@yahoo.com in reply to Dark Matter says:

        Tax cuts which are not accompanied by spending cuts are stimulus spending.Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to Wchip_aia@yahoo.com says:

          Yes. And it was a bad idea in the Trump era and it’s even worse now with inflation showing up.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

            Its always been a bad idea, but its all the Republicans have these days.Report

            • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

              Its always been a bad idea…

              The first one (Reagan’s) had some decent support in theory and in practice.

              Yes, the tax cut didn’t pay for itself but the economy increased in the same proportion as the debt.

              For that matter ideally you cut taxes at the same time as you eliminate loopholes, to make the code simpler lower and more broad (i.e. not reduce the amount of taxes collected but dis-incentivize tax avoidance).Report

            • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

              What do you mean by that? If the only thing you have is tax increases, then it’d seem like the only thing Republicans have is tax cuts. But if we’re talking about economic policy, there’s always tax reform ideas on the table. Entitlement reform is also always on the table but no further than that, unfortunately, but it’s not like it’d ever pass anyway. Energy independence is an economic policy with big foreign policy implications, but always gets fought on the field of environmental policy. These days, half of the covid policy debate relates to economics. But we could expand the topic of energy to cover all the regulatory debates, and the topic of covid to cover all of the health care policy debates. And none of that is even talking about trade policy debates, which often vary by agreement or even commodity. In short, there are a lot of economic policies debated and supported on the right.

              ETA: I keep thinking of things to add. I just added trade, and now I realize I didn’t even talk about the budget. And all this is assuming you’re only talking about *economic* policy.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                I’m not hearing any clear coherent message from the Republicans that:
                1. Distinguishes them from Democrats;
                2, Serve as rallying points for the voting base.

                All the stuff you just mentioned are small issues which are hard to distinguish from Democratic policies, and in any case, the party leaders like Trump, De Santis and Abbot barely mention any economic message at all.

                They talk constantly about culture war stuff and that brings the base to their feet, but the stuff you talk about? Crickets.

                What we also need to address is that you aren’t really representative of the Republican Party anymore. And trust me, I say that as a compliment.

                You accept that the election was legitimate;
                You see the Jan 6 attack as an attack, not “legitimate political discourse”.

                Those two positions alone put you in the same outcast camp as Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                This feels like a motte and bailey setup. Philip asked about economic policy, I answered, and then you say “but they mostly talk about social policy”. I dispute that there’s always a clear difference (your examples of Abbott and DeSantis have spoken a lot about economics related to covid). I also would point out that there’s a limited amount that governors can say/do about items such as trade policy and entitlements. But the best answer I can give is, well, that doesn’t change what I said about economic policy. If you want to make the case that Republicans have a broader range of issues than I brought up, I’ll grant you that, because I was only talking about economic policy.

                You say that you don’t see Republican economic policy as different from that of the Democrats, or as rallying points. Oil and gas? Covid lockdowns?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Pinky says:

                Stimulus checks. Massive new entitlements.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                Republicans have a much much more narrow focus than you do, which is culture war Mau-Mauing.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                You know that’s a racial slur, right?Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Pinky says:

                Tom Wolfe on line 2.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I know you think the GOP’s entire economic, legal, environmental, educational, et cetera, policy can be boiled down to one thing, but that position isn’t going to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree with you.

                I’ve just given a list of economic issues that Republicans talk about / support. Not just me, but Republicans in general. Strong on tax cuts, energy independence, and covid reopening; more debate about tax reform and miscellaneous trade; never what they should be on budget and entitlement reform. But on energy and covid, these things are in the national news every day, and trade concerns aren’t far behind. Don’t tell me the Republicans don’t talk about these things.

                The Republicans are currently surging on education issues, and they should be on immigration if they could remember to talk about it. Democrats are looking bad on international affairs. There’s a lot going on in the political debate every day. I wish focus would (or could get a chance to) narrow down every once in a while.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                Everything I need to know about Republican education policy I can learn by looking at the list of books they don’t want students to read.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                “They” would be one of the tens of thousands of local school boards.

                So that’s nut picking.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Everything I need to know about Democratic educational I can learn from the fact that they’re fighting for teachers to be allowed to teach students that they should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on
                account of their race and/or sex.

                Not really, but this is what you look like.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                Yes, we are proud that we are teaching truthful history, warts and all.

                Anyone who feels discomfort should ask themselves why.

                Or seek out a safe space with coloring books and bubbles.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                “truthful history” is fine. Heinous deeds and policies were enacted.

                Drawing a line between what happened to someone’s great grand parents and their current situation is not fine.

                During the two years I had a negative income I was poor and my kids qualified for all sorts of expensive enrichment programs. There is a ton of “uplift” help out there.

                That it does less than we want is a reflection of how much power parents and their culture have over their children.

                We are not one social program (BBB) away from ending inequality.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Cool motte, bro, but let’s talk about the bailey. I quoted, verbatim, the clause of the Texas CRT bill that attracts more criticism than any other part, from you specifically, and from teachers’ unions and journactivists more generally: That teachers may not include in their curriculum the idea promotion of the idea that anyone “should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of race and/or sex.”

                You responded with a canned line about “teaching truthful history.” The above has nothing to do with teaching truthful history. There is no historical fact that cannot be taught without violating this clause.Report

              • Slavery, for instance, can be taught without mentioning who enslaved whom.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Mike Schilling says:

                Rather than vaguely gesturing in the direction of a nonsensical argument, could you make it explicit this time? Cite a specific historical fact that you believe can’t be taught under this law, and explain exactly why you believe this.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Mike Schilling says:

                Okay, we have a historical fact: The Holocaust happened. Now explain why you believe that teaching this is prohibited under the Texas CRT bill, or any bill using language similar to the prohibition on teaching that “an individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of race and/or sex.””

                Pointing to someone else promoting the same misrepresentation of this law as you proves nothing. Especially since, according to the story you linked, the author of the bill, the superintendent of the school board in question, and the Texas State Teacher’s Association have all rejected this as a valid interpretation of the law in question. Nutpicking for people who agree with you is a rather unorthodox strategy.

                It’s also unclear whether Peddy was acting in bad faith. Willfully misinterpreting the law and then saying, “Look what HB3979 made me do!” strikes me as a fairly effective way to protest the law. That said, looking at her Twitter account, I don’t see the kind of unhinged lefty/idpol rhetoric that I would expect from the kind of person who would do that, so it’s possible that she just isn’t that bright.

                Anyway, why do you believe, in opposition to the bill’s author, the superintendent of that school district, and the spokesman for the Texas State Teacher’s Association, that this was a correct interpretation of HB 3979?

                Note also that I was specifically asking about the prohibition on teaching that “an individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of race and/or sex,” since that’s the clause that keeps getting problematized by the activist-journalist complex.

                There’s an is-ought gap that you have to cross to justify a claim that teaching about a historical fact necessarily entails telling people how they should feel, and I’m really curious about how so many of you have so easily solved this problem that’s been puzzling philosophers for generations.

                I keep asking for a straight answer on this, and nobody seems capable of giving one. it’s almost as though you all know that you’re misrepresenting the law.Report

              • That story didn’t say you can’t teach the Holocaust; it says you have to give both sides. And of course all those people who support the bill and know how offensive that result was claim the bill shouldn’t lead to that result. But it did.

                There’s no way to teach about the Tulsa massacre without it being clear that it was a white pogrom against a black community that was too successful, and that it achieved it goal of destroying the community and impoverishing the survivors. But that might to make white kids feel bad about themselves, so easier not to mention it. Be Japan or Turkey, not Germany.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Mike Schilling says:

                It is possible to teach the history of slavery, without teaching black children that they can not succeed and white children that this is their fault.

                We don’t hold children responsible for the actions of their parents, much less their grand parents (or however many generations back slavery is).

                CRT is a political ideology which is trying to disguise itself as history.Report

              • Are you really saying that anti-black racism. both as violence and as economic oppression, ended in 1865?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Mike Schilling says:

                I am saying that current marriage rates predict success or failure much better than your skin color, and way better than what happened to your relatives generations ago.

                Racism isn’t the explanation for current inequality, culture is.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Or does success predict marriage rates?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                I was unclear. Whether your parents were married is an good predictor of how successful you’ll be.

                Children raised by married parents do better at school, develop stronger cognitive and non-cognitive skills, are more likely to go to college, earn more, and are more likely to go on to form stable marriages themselves.

                This effect shrinks, but still persists, after we adjust for things like family income (link below).

                Note single unwed parenthood is going to be the cause of a lot of the problems that we’d like to control for, i.e. (lack of) education, maternal age, etc.

                Put differently, as you eliminate negative cultural behaviors the outcomes get better and better.

                https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-marriage-effect-money-or-parenting/Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Dark Matter says:

                For comparison, CRT is a narrative. Point to redlining (outlawed in the late 1960’s) and change the definition of “truth”.

                No statistical relationships or studies needed.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

                White flight and segregation still exists, and in fact is worse in many areas.

                Racism both overt and covert exists and contributes to unwed childrearing.

                The deleterious effects of unwed childrearing are well known but you are trying very hard to avoid thinking about why people don’t get married.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                It is not useful to define every negative outcome as “racism”.

                It leaves blacks as helpless victims with no agency, even over their own culture, even when those negative outcomes stem from bad cultural decisions.

                It also has absurd results:

                If the black middle class flees the black inner city, that’s racism. If I treat blacks the same as I do whites, that’s racism. If we arrest black criminals abusing black civilians, that’s racism.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Yeah, if more black young men are thrown in prison than white young men even though they consume drugs at the same rate, that’s racism.

                Whether you think thats absurd is up to you.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Prisonpolicy.org has a report that breaks down why people are incarcerated.

                Drugs appear to be a little under 10% of why convicted people might be incarcerated. For the as-yet unconvicted, it’s around 25%.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

                For the as-yet unconvicted, it’s around 25%.

                We really need to know what that number means.

                Local Jails have 470k people not convicted of anything. Does that mean they’re there for a day? A month?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Dark Matter says:

                “People who have not yet made bail” was my assumption.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                For the most part we arrest dealers, not users. That’s the bulk of the masses we send to prison.

                Police chiefs have said the reason for the racial disparity is black dealers tend to sell openly on street corners while whites tend to sell indoors.

                So yeah, that’s seriously cultural and we got there without having racist people. Now you can still call that “disparate outcomes” and if you want to define all differences as “racist” then whatever.

                However it’s very useful to understand the nuts and bolts of what is going on which create these problems.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                No, you weren’t unclear at all. But does marriage cause stability, and its attendant advantages, or does stability, and its attendant advantages, cause, or at least facilitate, marriage?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                This was addressed in that link. Even after we control for various things that arguably we shouldn’t control for, there is still a marriage effect.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                I read the same link you did. It doesn’t even address the question I asked.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                You asked about “stability”.

                They talked about and controlled for income, “continuously married parents”, “family income throughout childhood”, maternal education, parenting behavior, race, and maternal age.

                Sounds like they’re covering stability of income and stability of the relationship.

                What do you define as “stability” which isn’t covered in that?Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Charles Murray chides the elite for not preaching what they practice about such things as marriage. In order to have a successful marriage, though, one has to have one’s s**t together in a wide variety of ways. Getting married doesn’t get your s**t together; having your s**t together makes getting married possible and fruitful. There may well be a bonus effect marriage as such has that can be separated from the effect of having one’s s**t together generally, though the study doesn’t go out on a limb and say so. But it does say that there is no feasible policy for encouraging marriage as such, and that to the extent policy matters, it should focus on helping people get their s**t together, not on marriage per se. Which suggests to me that marriage is primarily an effect, not a cause.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                Being married means you have someone to cover you if you drop the ball, and you can specialize (in housework, income, or whatever).

                Being married as a man means you know where your sex is coming from and that you will be siring children. Unmarried men are the source of most murderers, and the most polygamous countries in the world are also the most unstable.

                Being married helps, a lot, in terms of socializing men and in terms of helping people get and keep their sh*t together.

                Obviously it’s not enough. Obviously there are people who leave their marriage because their partner falls apart (or never was together).

                Roughly 40% of births in the us are outside of marriage. So 40% of men don’t have their act together? 71% of black men don’t have their acts together? This has nothing to do with culture?

                Much worse, some of this ties back to gov policy. 4 of my relatives have had kids out of wedlock and been open to the family on that they’re doing it to maximize gov benefits.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Marriage works very nicely for those who already have what it takes. It doesn’t give what it takes to those who don’t.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                OK, so what happened between the 1950’s-1960’s and now?

                Why are there so many more people as a percentage who don’t have their act together?

                Incomes have gone up. Education has gone up. Social programs and social support has gone up. Information and ability to access it has gone way up. Racism and it’s impact have gone down.

                My expectation is, as a percentage, the number of people who have their act somewhat together has gone up, not down. Certainly if we use the standards of the 1950’s,

                It is easier for me to think that we’ve had a cultural shift rather than a massive increase in racism or decrease in the overall level of competence.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

                My expectation is, as a percentage, the number of people who have their act somewhat together has gone up, not down. Certainly if we use the standards of the 1950’s,

                If this is indeed the case you should have data. Because while wages have grown in absolute dollars, they remain stagnant in adjusted dollars and that means less and less purchasing power. I would expect that to translate into increased barriers to success . . . .

                And there’s the not to trivial issue that you keep trying to separate race and culture as driving forces . . . which they aren’t for the vast majority of Americans.

                https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide-to-statistics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality

                https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                Because while wages have grown in absolute dollars, they remain stagnant in adjusted dollars and that means less and less purchasing power. I would expect that to translate into increased barriers to success . . . .

                Let’s use your first link and focus on the bottom 20%. Figure 2, “Income Gains at the Top Dwarf Those…” (Percent change in income after transfers and taxes since 1979.)

                The bottom 20% saw income grow by 85% since 1979. That’s not the 226% of the upper 1%, but it’s also not “stagnant”. Even if we take the worst group, their income has grown by 47%.

                “Inequality” is a different issue than “things are worse”. If the top 1% didn’t exist we’d be fine with those numbers.

                Moving to Figure #7 “Poverty Rate Has Fallen Significantly Since 1960s” shows that the poverty rate has dropped a lot.

                Further even if we accept that wages are stagnant (in other discussions I’ve argued that they’re not because of the changes in family mix and so on), “stagnant” means “the same”, and marriage rates have dropped off a cliff.

                And there’s the not to trivial issue that you keep trying to separate race and culture as driving forces . . . which they aren’t for the vast majority of Americans.

                I’m good with race being a stand in for culture. That doesn’t change that marriage is a huge predictor for children’s success.

                Nor that the level of racism is down a lot since the 1950’s, to the point where it shouldn’t be blamed for everything that is wrong.

                Its absurd to think racism in the 50s and 60s inflicted on current children’s (great?) grand-parents has more influence on them than their parents.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                OK, so what happened between the 1950’s-1960’s and now?

                A vast number of things, some economic and social, leading to instability in the lower classes and the consequent thinning out of the pool of good candidates for successful marriages, and some cultural, some of which I don’t think you want to undo. But I could be wrong about that. If you have some way to turn a bunch of people just scraping by and, often, hobbled by petty criminal records, into desirable marriage partners, have at it. If you want to clamp down on non-marital sex and revitalize shotgun weddings, then say so.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                leading to instability in the lower classes

                We rolled out a ton of social programs that were supposed to do the opposite.

                Instead they may have raised the bar for the definition of “good candidate for marriage”.

                The gov will put bread on the table, so just putting bread on the table doesn’t do it.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Instead they may have raised the bar for the definition of “good candidate for marriage”.

                You make that sound like a bad thing.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to CJColucci says:

                For the children? Yeah, it seems to be.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                The thrust of your argument here is that Republicans are totally not racists.

                Which is of course, made utterly preposterous by their actions.

                When the whole CRT thing was being whipped up by Chris Rufo and Fox, we were told, right here on this very blog, that Oh no, they aren’t aimed at removing black authors, why, they are merely trying to curb the excesses of bad DEI and Ibram X. Kendi.

                Then the Republicans responded by promptly calling for the removal of hundreds of books by black and LGBTQ authors.

                Sorry, your argument isn’t with me, its with your fellow Republicans.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                The thrust of my argument is that you’re either lying or incapable of reading at an eighth grade level. You have repeatedly claimed that the various CRT bills prevent the teaching of history, specifically citing the clause that I quoted up above: This is exactly the same clause that has repeatedly been singled out by you and others who have been pushing this misrepresentation.

                I have pressed you to justify the claims you’ve been making this about the law, and you’ve repeatedly evaded this challenge.

                Stop changing the subject. Explain exactly why you believe that a law prohibiting teachers from teaching that anyone “should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of race and/or sex” prohibits the teaching of any true historical fact.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                If the law explained exactly what it was banning, it would be bad, but people would at least know what true facts they could and could not teach. But precisely because no one can “explain exactly” what the law bans, no one can be sure what they can and cannot teach and they will walk on eggshells. Which is almost certainly the point.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                Until well into the 1980’s, southern states taught the Civil War as “The war of Northern Aggression” where in the issue was states rights, not slavery. Not even states rights to own slaves – which ever single article of secession from every Confederate state mentioned. In most places, those “facts” were part of legally mandated state curriculums. The state prevented the teaching of historically true facts because we it didn’t fit the politicla narratives of the Lost Cause they were desperate to preserve. That’s what this law, and others like it appear to be pointing educators back to.

                That aside, we now live in a world where parents are so riled up about all this that they are complaining about Black History Month commemorations being CRT.

                https://www.al.com/news/2022/02/alabama-officials-receive-complaints-about-black-history-month-as-state-debates-crt-legislation.htmlReport

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                It is facially neutral, but we already know it will only be enforced to protect white students, not black students.

                For instance, in theory, any history that speaks of the “Settling” of the West is forbidden.

                Dark Matter’s comments here about black marriage rates are forbidden by the law.

                Will this happen? Of course not, because the interpretation of the law is in the hands of people who are hostile to non-white issues.

                This is, by the way how structural racism works (racist outcomes without overt racism). Critical Race Theory explains this.

                Which is why they are so freaked out by it because it leaves them nowhere to hide.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Maybe you could also push for something like a “transparency” bill. Force the teachers who deny the holocaust to make their curriculum public so that everybody can look at what they’re teaching and respond appropriately?Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                Are there high schools with secret curriculums?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Secret? Defined as even the students don’t know what it is?

                Well, there are a handful of schools out there that have 0 students that are proficient in math as well as 0 students that are proficient in literacy. I’m guessing you meant “secret from the public”, though.

                Believe it or not, there is pushback from the presumably racist schools out there that don’t want what they’re teaching to be publicized. Like, they don’t even feel that they should respond to FOIA requests.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                So, the answer is no.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I believe that the answer is “yes”, Chip. Given that the response to calls for people who want to know what is being taught is getting a response of “nunya” rather than “it’s boring an in alignment with what the school board that *YOU* voted on has said”.

                Are you unaware of the curriculum transparency debate going on?

                If you’re not, I’m assuming your scoffing at the idea of “secret” curriculum implies that you are 100% down with curriculum transparency?

                (We want to know if they’re sneaking Intelligent Design into the classroom, right?)Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                I’m aware which is why I’m scoffing.

                So far as I know, the school curriculum is made available to every student and parent.

                Thats why we know that Toni Morrisons book is being removed, because the curriculum is public.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                It makes you wonder why there is pushback against a regulation do something it’s already doing.

                “The wrong people want it to happen!” is the best I’ve got.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Jaybird says:

                And good enough.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to CJColucci says:

                Morally? Perhaps.

                Legally? We’ll see if it holds up.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                So, you don’t know if there exists a secret curricula.
                But you’re pretty sure there is.

                You don’t know what the proposed law is or how it would change the current practice.
                But you’re pretty sure it’s needed.

                And you don’t know what the arguments are against it.
                But you’re pretty sure it is because they are Bad People doing Bad Things in the classroom.

                Tell you what, do some homework and then we can discuss this.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                So, you don’t know if there exists a secret curricula.
                But you’re pretty sure there is.

                No, I’m asking you if you support efforts to make sure that the curriculum is transparent.

                You don’t know what the proposed law is or how it would change the current practice.
                But you’re pretty sure it’s needed.

                If it’s given to the children, make it available to the parents. Perhaps this wouldn’t have been workable when we were using mimeograph machines but we have a digital curriculum in the current year.

                And you don’t know what the arguments are against it.
                But you’re pretty sure it is because they are Bad People doing Bad Things in the classroom.

                I’d love to hear what the arguments are against it.

                No, I’m sure that there aren’t any Bad people in the classroom. It’s not like when I went to high school and you knew which teachers were hitting on which students.

                Tell you what, do some homework and then we can discuss this.

                Could you let me know what the homework assignment is exactly?

                Or are you keeping it secret? (Or, at least, obfuscated?)Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                we already know it will only be enforced to protect white students, not black students.

                IMHO it’s the black students who need protecting from CRT.

                “This is why you’re going to fail and why it’s not your fault, don’t even bother trying”.

                That’s one heck of a price in exchange for a little more white guilt.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

                In order to test your assertion, it will be necessary to become much more conversant in Critical Race Theory.

                Is your quoted part actually what is being taught? Which book or author can be cited as examples?

                Is it a true statement?

                What are the arguments in favor, and why are they wrong?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                it will be necessary to become much more conversant in Critical Race Theory.

                OK, check me on this. CRT is trying to teach that America is still a fundamentally racist country? That the blacks don’t have a chance? That because of redlining and the like, their density is basically fixed?

                If so, do you see how that becomes “you might as well give up now”?Report

              • Greg In Ak in reply to Dark Matter says:

                point 1 is a correct belief but needs a lot more info/nuance to mean much.

                points 2 and 3 are somewhere between meh and wrong but could be word smithed into being in the ballpark. But at least redlining is a real thing that has had real impacts so you would think that would be good to teach. My guess so far is red lining will be called EVILLL CRT and not be taught.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Racism is to sin as CRT is to Christianity.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Racism is a type of sin. Therefore CRT is a type of Christianity?

                You probably meant “Racism is to CRT as sin is to Christianity”. Even so, that comparison fails too. Christianity holds that all are sinners.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                So Christianity holds that we are fundamentally evil so we should just give up?

                Or that we are flawed and frequently choose evil, but we are capable of growth and redemption?Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I’m sorry, you’re seemingly misrepresenting Christianity here, so please spell out what you mean rather than pose it in questions.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                I’m saying that both Christianity and CRT present similar views of humanity, that we are flawed but correctable.

                So saying that CRT teaches black kids to give up is nonsense.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I didn’t say that, nor did Dark Matter.

                Christianity doesn’t teach that only half the population is sinful; CRT does. Christianity teaches that we are individually sinful and responsible for our sins; CRT doesn’t. Christianity doesn’t teach that we’re correctable on our own without Christ; CRT does. And it seems clear that modern race theory doesn’t teach that whites are ever really correctable; that race card is always playable. Christianity also teaches that an individual is objectively and personally sinful, whereas modern race theory holds that an accusation of racism based on the victim race’s subjective assessment is definitionally true.

                In short: Christianity is only like CRT if you’re a racist who doesn’t believe in Jesus.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                No CRT doesn’t teach that at all. And Christianity holds a very collective view of sin, which is why slavery is often called the Original Sin of America.

                Let’s do this. Let’s have a CRT series here on OT where we discuss different books and authors.

                Because we seem to be discussing Chris Rufos view of the world instead of reality.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                The term “the original sin of America” represents a failure to understand what original sin means.Report

              • Mike Schilling in reply to Pinky says:

                It means sex, right?Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Would you at least agree that CRT doesn’t hold American blacks and whites as equally guilty of the “original sin”?

                It seems to me that the expression has become more common in the past 20ish years. Previous civil rights leaders in the 1860’s or 1960’s understood Christianity. The newer generation doesn’t seem to. Maybe we need a series of article about Christian thought.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Let’s have a CRT series here on OT where we discuss different books and authors.

                This is like saying we need to learn everything about God before we can point out that the arguments in favor of [x] don’t make sense.

                Let’s check the critics part on it’s wiki.

                “skepticism of objectivity and truth”, and has a tendency to interpret “any racial inequity or imbalance […] as proof of institutional racism and as grounds for directly imposing racially equitable outcomes in those realms”

                “lack of testable hypotheses and measurable data.”

                Dismissal of those arguments by it’s supporters with “truth is a social construct”.

                Looking at the arguments in it’s favor… “Storytelling/counterstorytelling and “naming one’s own reality” (so it’s self described as a narrative).

                “Standpoint epistemology” (i.e. blacks uniquely can define and speak about racism, so by implication, everyone else should shut up).

                “Cultural nationalism/separatism” ” separation and reparations as a form of foreign aid (including black nationalism”

                There’s more (and less obviously problematic) but this is already a long response.

                A good summation is CRT is a philosophy and a narrative. It sounds like a fine college level course or two. I don’t see why it should be taught at a level below that. It’s certainly not history and shouldn’t be thought of as history.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                They’re both works of fiction that aren’t supported by facts?Report

              • InMD in reply to Dark Matter says:

                This is the ultimate irony. If I was a black parent and found out my kid was being told he or she was permanently handicapped or placed in some kind of race based affinity group I’d be livid. And then after that I’d be calling my lawyer.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to InMD says:

                There are lots of black parents. I know lots of them. Some of them can even read and write and think and have a few bucks.
                If this is what their kids were really being told, they wouldn’t wait for a white savior to sue; they’d have done it by now.Report

              • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

                “Stop projecting your bizarre, racist beliefs onto me.”

                Every time I print this on a t-shirt, I have to give you 20 cents, I guess.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to InMD says:

                I must admit, I hold to the bizarre, racist belief in the agency of black people. I wasn’t projecting that on you. Quite the opposite, in fact.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I referred to education policy in passing, twice. I have to assume you’re responding to it in order to change the subject to conservative social issues. My point stands, then, I guess, that Republicans have an economic agenda, if your reply to tax cuts, energy independence, covid reopening, tax reform, trade, budget, and entitlement reform is about education policy.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky says:

                Everything I need to know about republican economic policy I learned from watching their legislation when they held the trifecta.

                Their record speaks for itself.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Tax cuts, energy policy, and trade brinkmanship that panned out better than I expected. Reductions in regulation and the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Federalism in covid shutdown response. Ouch, ouch, stop accusing me of such horrible things.

                But, actually, I thought you said they didn’t have any economic policy? I thought all they did was social policy. I remember you saying that a minute ago.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Pinky says:

                The Trump Vaccine was slow to start but approved and available in 9(ish) months.

                How long as Biden been in office again?

                I know we’re working on new vaccines for the new variants, and the various people that made the old vaccine at “Warp Speed” presumably weren’t fired.

                So the hang up is presumably getting regulatory approval.Report

              • So the hang up is presumably getting regulatory approval.

                I know it’s been discussed here before. From application to an EUA takes about six months, just to go through the procedure. Both Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech started their clinical trials for an omicron-specific formula less than two weeks ago, so even the application is at least a few months away.

                The regulatory problems get harder if either of them plans on producing both types of vaccine at single locations.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Michael Cain says:

                I’m fine giving them a pass on Omicron.

                I was thinking more of Delta. It was first detected right after Trump lost the election and named after Biden took office.

                I’ve no clue if it would work better against Omicron than the existing (“Alpha”?) vaccine.

                However it’s weird that we don’t seem to have new vaccines out considering all the mutations.Report

              • Mike Schilling in reply to Pinky says:

                Trillion-dollar deficits at full employment.Report

        • What they’re stimulating is open to question, though. Tax cuts on the 0.01%, who already can’t spend their income, stimulate the price of financial instruments.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to Michael Cain says:

            Angel Investment. Backing new risky companies.

            Uber would be one example but we used to talk about how Amazon would be profitable at some point in the future.

            It is certainly true that the 0.01% aren’t the rest of us. It is also certainly true that they’re not keeping all their gold worthlessly in a vault somewhere.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

              no, they are buying back company stock. they aren’t increasing compensation to labor, nor are they really innovating or driving major purchases. But boy oh boy is the financial sector happy.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                they aren’t increasing compensation to labor

                This is blaming the 0.01% for things done by the market. It’s like blaming the weatherman for the weather.

                Similarly “stock buy back” is done at a company level, not a person level.

                If we’re talking about the wealth of that group, then we’re talking about a handful of very successful companies.

                If we’re talking about income, then I think it becomes either investment or consumption.

                The real question is how much and what effect does that have on the economy. My expectation is this is where we get various types of specialized investment. Dismissing it as worthless because we don’t understand it is probably a mistake.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to Philip H says:

                What do you think happens to money returned to investors via dividends and stock buybacks?Report

              • Philip H in reply to Brandon Berg says:

                wages for workers aren’t paid by those returns. Institutional investors don’t go out and hire more people to do things. Companies don’t increase wages. Dividends from my TSP account went up, but I can’t use that to buy gas or groceries. Stock buybacks don’t actually help most Americans.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                Stock buybacks don’t actually help most Americans.

                This is like saying your kidneys don’t attract women. It’s true at some level but that’s not it’s purpose and it’s purpose is pretty important.

                Stock buybacks are a way to return money to investors. Investors and investment are one of the basic cornerstones of economic growth. Economic growth is one of the big things that does help “most Americans”.Report

          • Brandon Berg in reply to Michael Cain says:

            You say “stimulate the price of financial instruments,” I say, “reduce the cost of capital, making it easier to fund investments.”

            To the extent that very wealthy people have a low marginal propensity to consume, that’s an argument against raising their taxes, not an argument for.Report

            • Brandon Berg in reply to Brandon Berg says:

              Think about it this way: What if, instead of letting all his money sit in Amazon stock, Jeff Bezos decided to buy up houses and just let them sit empty? Or buy $100 billion worth of food?

              If billionaires actually did spend all their money on consumer goods, it would drive up the prices for other consumers (albeit fairly modestly, unless they blew all their money in one year), which is clearly worse than lowering the cost of capital. Whatever the other merits or demerits of high(er) rates of taxation on the very wealthy, low marginal propensity to consume weakens the case.Report

            • 2008 showed what happens when there’s too much money chasing too few actually good investments. Crypto and NFTs are more of the same.Report

  5. Pinky says:

    Weird article. Not about inflation at all, barely about inflation policy. Maybe it should have been called “Politics and the Rhetorical Challenge of the History of Inflation”.Report

  6. North says:

    Let’s just note that the right doesn’t really have a policy on inflation at the moment. Yes the inflatiuon hawks are screaming about inflation- they’ve been screaming about inflation since 2006-2008 at the latest- a stopped clock is right twice a day (if it’s analogue). If/when they get into power the overwhelming odds are the GOP will cut taxes for the wealthy and call it a day.

    That doesn’t mean that inflation isn’t a concern. While we’re talking about the 70’s it bears noting one major difference between my birth decade and our current era. The stag. Yeah that antlered bugger who was hanging out over the corpse of disco with a jaundiced dead stare. Stagnation. Economic stagnation. What made inflation bite so especially savagely in the 70’s is that it was pared with economic stagnation, thus the common moniker of stagflation. Stagflation was savage because not only was your money losing oomph but you had serious concerns about jobs (let alone about asking for raises). Stagflation was so savage it ushered in the Reagan revolution and the implosion of the old school of liberalism.

    Happily, the horned terror of stagflation has not reared his pointy head yet this year. Inflation hit decades long highs but so did economic growth. Inflation pairing with hot economies is as common as chicken pairing with breading. That reality, however, doesn’t change the facts of our political moment. The old media wags came of age in the Reagan era so inflation towers in their imaginations. Couple that with the Fox news axis trumpeting it simply as a matter of course and the oh so serious mainstream media following suit and inflation becomes a political problem you can’t ignore.

    What should Biden do about it? His ability to act is pretty restricted in terms of steering the economy but I have a few off the cuff thoughts:

    -Tell the Fed privately that he’ll back them when they go hawkish. Make it clear publicly he isn’t going to jawbone for continued lower interest rates. Praise the historic independence of the Fed and let them do their work. Interest rates are at historic lows. A touch of the interest rate whip might potentially send inflation tumbling.

    -Row against the tide on trade: Trump heaved the GOP’s always luke-warm free trader principles into the trash along with most other libertarian principles. China is the unloved goat everywhere right now but moving to remove trade restrictions with non-Chinese suppliers seems doable to me and free trading is counter-inflationary. It’s tough because there’s a pretty tough anti-trade contingent on the left and populists respond to free trade like gasoline responds to open flames.

    -Avoid -deficit- spending. The emphasis on that second word is key. If you pair spending with tax increases to fund it then that spending doesn’t stoke inflation. This is something the right wingers always try to avoid admitting because the idea of tax increases makes their paymasters faces melt off like Raiders of the Lost Ark and, frankly, the GOP has no other guiding star beyond cutting taxes. This means that Build Back Better or some similar plan remains on the table but big stimulus programs like what was done early in 2020 and 2021 should be avoided. The free lunch window is probably closed right now. Of course, if, in the course of wheeling and dealing, you collect a bit more revenue that you spend and use that to reduce the deficits that is, of course, deflationary.

    -For the love of all that’s holy ignore the far lefts caviling about inflation being caused by “corporate greed”. If you start propping the old price control command economy bull up like a mummy with a mop handle behind it don’t be surprised if you end up cursed. You cannot create enough middle class administrative regulation jobs to bail you out of the backlash if you go down that cull de sac- because if we try price controls or regulating inflation away those newly employed middle class liberal administrators will be the only votes you gain.Report

    • InMD in reply to North says:

      It’s hard for me to see how at some point the fed doesn’t raise interest. I’d be careful on the trade thing though. The only way I think to make that work politically right now is in combination with strategic re-shoring efforts and only loosening up with friendly countries, as far away from Chinese influence and short range missiles as possible.Report

      • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

        It’s hard for me to see how at some point the fed doesn’t raise interest.

        Like this?

        The Federal Reserve is taking off the gloves in its bid to fight a historic surge in inflation.

        The Fed held its key interest rate near zero Wednesday but said it will “soon be appropriate” to raise it, hinting that a rate hike in March is all but certain. The increase would be the first in more than three years and kick off what’s likely to be a flurry of three or more quarter-point increases this year aimed at reining in sharply rising consumer prices.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/01/26/fed-interest-rate-inflation/9221570002/Report

        • North in reply to Philip H says:

          Biden’s been good on the Fed. I have little critique to make. I also have some sympathy to the doves saying that lettin the engine run hot for a bit could be salutary. Still it’s clearly high time that interest rates came up off the floor.Report

      • North in reply to InMD says:

        I agree, the best way to try and spin it is that we’re building up “alternatives” to Chinese manufacturing. Obama was doing exactly that with the Trans Pacific trade deal but, of course, didn’t want to say so. Trade, though, is dicey- granted.Report

        • InMD in reply to North says:

          I feel bile in my mouth saying this but to the extent there’s any kind of silver lining on Trump I hope it’s abandoning the facade that China was going to get rich and become our friend. At any rate I would think it should be easier for Democrats to talk about trade in strategic ways without the same concerns about right flanks that existed in the 90s and 00s.Report

          • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

            Seems the House at least is reading your mind:

            The legislation put forward by House Democrats — called the America COMPETES Act of 2022 — addresses pressing economic issues facing the Biden administration, including supply chain disruptions and a global shortage of semiconductor chips, which are essential for the production of smartphones, medical equipment and cars. Additionally, the bill calls for a number of changes to US trade rules, aiming to level the playing field for American businesses and combat China’s market-distorting trade practices.

            https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/politics/house-china-competition-bill-vote/index.htmlReport

            • InMD in reply to Philip H says:

              That’s because I’m a brilliant political strategist and if they listened to me all the time the Republican party would be eliminated everywhere except the hinterlands of Mississippi and Alabama. So unfortunately you’d still be screwed but the nation as a whole would be saved. But I’m sure you would willingly take that one for the team.Report

          • North in reply to InMD says:

            Agreed, alas there’re plenty of knives out for free trade in the left, right and middle.Report

  7. Douglas Hayden says:

    Reagan tax cuts, Bush tax cuts, Trump tax cuts, Obama bucks, Trump bucks, Biden bucks, and fifteen years now of the Fed dumping out cash like salt on a Ohio freeway and inflation was never a concern thanks to production efficiency improvements allowing core supply to keep ahead of core demand. Sure, non-core stuff exploded – stocks, housing, college tuition, tickets to Cedar Point – but nothing to see here. Stop being poor. But now the pandemic has thrown more than a few kinks in the supply chain, supply can’t keep ahead of demand, and suddenly all the boys who cried “inflation” finally found their wolf.

    Admittedly, I’m not in disfavor of the Fed finally rediscovering the benefits of higher interest rates and less loose cash. You can easily do both and still keep a growing economy, with the added benefit of all the unserious that have been dominating the conversation over the past five to ten years suddenly having to decide between throwing money at their political grift of choice or having food on the table. Win/win. My only fear being that this leads to a Republican regime that goes all-in on even more tax cuts and zero interest rates.Report

  8. Philip H says:

    As I have noted previously, the Biden Administration has been doing a lot of good economic things, including presiding over this trend – which started in late 2020 under Mr. Trump:

    Employers added a record 6.6 million jobs during Joe Biden’s first 12 months in office, by far the strongest record of any president’s first year in office.

    The unexpected strength of the January jobs report — along with some revisions in readings for November and December — pushed Biden over the 6 million mark. But he could have claimed that distinction even without them. The previous record holder was Jimmy Carter, who saw a gain of 3.9 million jobs in his first 12 months in office.
    By comparison, Donald Trump’s first 12 months in office notched a gain of 2 million jobs.
    The jobs numbers from the Labor Department go back to 1939, when Franklin Roosevelt was in his seventh year in office. No president other than Carter has enjoyed even half as many jobs being added during their first year as Biden’s record: No. 3 Bill Clinton posted an addition of 2.8 million jobs.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/business/joe-biden-jobs-record/index.htmlReport