12 thoughts on “Obsolete Philosophy: Paradox in the Baroque Mindset

    1. I regret the error.

      (It makes me wonder if I were careless and screwed up or used a source that made the same one… and, of course, I didn’t include a bibliography because WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU INCLUDE A BIBLIOGRAPHY)Report

  1. I don’t see any paradox in St. Ignatius’s Exercises. We can’t achieve grace on our own, but can open ourselves to accepting God’s grace. There’s no paradox there. God doesn’t need us to tell Him He’s holy any more than a kindergarten teacher needs a student to tell her what a triangle is. The student takes it in, learns it, presents is with confidence, and is recognized for it. The kid didn’t invent the triangle. I’d also note that if you consider this a paradox, it’s one that extends from many centuries before the Baroque era to many centuries afterwards.

    The same is true for sensuality within religious art. Like the above case, it’s found across cultures and times. It makes sense within some understandings of the relationship between the physical and the spiritual, and doesn’t make sense within some other frameworks. But I wouldn’t call it paradoxical.Report

  2. This one reminds me of the long-running ribbing we’ve given you:

    “St. Ignatius of Loyola deals with paradox in his Spiritual Exercises. He gives many exercises and chores for the supplicant to go through in order to become closer to God, while Christianity, through the teachings of Paul, explicitly states that none of our actions can amount to anything when it comes to getting closer to God.”

    To whit: to understand JB’s reading of this we need to know if he was writing as JB the Evangelical Christian or JB the Evangelical Atheist.

    Of course St. Thomas sloshed his fingers in the wound, I’m quite certain he touched them to his lips to taste the blood… and at that moment fell to his knees. There’s probably an interesting discussion to be had regarding a more Protestant focus on The Word and a more Catholic/Orthodox focus on Incarnational Sacraments… and how that influences Art and the Baroque period in particular.Report

    1. Oh, yeah. I found another paper (one that isn’t particularly good) that talks about nobility within the various traditions and how Judaism allows for nobility in the face of adversity and Buddhism allows for nobility in the face of adversity but Christianity doesn’t allow for any nobility at all.

      I re-read it the other day and got irritated.Report

        1. I gotcha. Lately, I’ve been increasingly conscious of the fact that without a mainline Protestant voice in this country any more, all conversations exist among three camps: Catholic, Evangelical, and Atheist. And there are a lot of similarities between the latter two groups.Report

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