Horrific Discovery at Kamloops Indian Residential School

Andrew Donaldson

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  1. Rufus F. says:

    The thing about this is- I mean maybe the worst thing about this is- that it’s extremely likely that they found the remains there solely because that’s where they used ground penetrating radar. In other words, we haven’t tried this yet at any of the other residential schools, but for a long time it’s been suspected that this was commonplace in them.

    Canada is so far from truth and reconciliation. It’s a dark history. Google “Starlight tours” sometime.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Rufus F. says:

      I wonder if Canada has its own version of the Dogma of White Innocence, where any suggestion of systematic racism and injustice is greeted with fierce outrage.Report

      • Rufus F. in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        I mean, it’s pretty much the same everywhere- our grandparents did some terrible things, and maybe our parents did, and maybe we did when we were younger. But that’s in the past and why can’t some people just let it go? Nowadays, there are even reservations where the water is drinkable, or almost drinkable!

        It reminds me of a joke my friend Craig made- he’s First Nations and has a grim sense of humor. As background, any meeting of white liberal people or government bodies in Canada will start with a land acknolwedgement.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8orPc2iBXk

        So, we were watching the Spike Lee movie Blackkk Klansman and the David Duke Klan rally is getting started and Craig asks “Hey, so you think they’re going to do the land acknowledgement?”

        (It might be more of a Canadian joke.)Report

        • Doctor Jay in reply to Rufus F. says:

          That is every bit as Canadian a joke as “Woman Hit by Moose on Way to Hospital to Visit Woman Hit by Moose”.

          I know these things, since I grew up 7 miles from Canada, and was part of the broadcast market for Vancouver, BC.

          I’ve actually spent time in Kamloops. Wow, that’s terrible.Report

  2. Oscar Gordon says:

    It’s a sins of the father problem. My grandfather and great grandfather worked for the Chicago mob. They helped the mob do evil things and never even got arrested. How much of the harm they perpetuated falls to me?

    It’s one thing to acknowledge that your ancestors, even recent ones, caused harm, and supported systems that caused harm. And it’s on us to deconstruct those systems that still exist today. But what about the systems that no longer exist, like the residential schools?

    Although, the Catholic Church should not be allowed to hide such records and still enjoy the benefits of being a religion.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

      The good news is that we as a society have made progress.
      The bad news is the underlying problem i.e., that some lives matter and some don’t, is eternal.

      There are tens of thousands of children in various forms of detention or confinement, under the care of public and private institutions or entities. These entities are loosely regulated, with very little oversight.

      I bet money that in future decades stories will leak out about horrific abuses which are occurring at this very moment.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        Trying to create a mass society that doesn’t treat people as cogs in a wheel is very hard. Nearly every modern ideology with the exception of fascism and some schools of communism have attempted to conduct a frame work where people aren’t cars in the wheel. They do it through human rights law, the welfare state, anti-capitalism, pro-capitalism, and many other mutually contradictory methods. Billions of people still end up as cogs in a wheel. This allows many people to do really horrible things and get away with it because nearly everybody is just a cog in the wheel.

        The ultainte answer is that on some level we really do need people to be very disciplined in their life and strive to be morally blameless at all times. This isn’t easy it is a drag. Maybe we can’t ever relax and enjoy life if we want to fight injustice. Maybe fun really is the enemy of justice.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

      The residential schools existed up until 1996. It’s not inconcievable that their operators are still around, although sussing out guilt might prove impossible.Report

    • JS in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

      Pretending the mob never existed is not exactly a solution either.

      If nothing else, you ignore all the ways the mob came about, gathered power, and used it.

      Ignorant of history, repetition, etc.Report

  3. Brandon Berg says:

    Given that the school opened in 1890, when child mortality rates rates were horrifically high (in the neighborhood of 25%), a combination of illness and shoddy record-keeping seems like a plausible explanation here.

    Of course, abuse and neglect are not out of the question given the general awfulness with which the aboriginal people of the Americas were treated at times, but I find the zeal with which some people are jumping to that conclusion to be a bit unseemly.Report

  4. Slade the Leveller says:

    Now another one at Cranbrook. This is nothing short of genocide.Report

    • North in reply to Slade the Leveller says:

      Of course it was genocide. The only reason it isn’t a fully consummated genocide is that we, as a society, liberalized faster than we could kill the first nations peoples and eventually called the whole thing off.Report