Social Media Platforms: Competitions, Compromises, and Potential Solutions.

Patrick Murphy

Graduating from Hillsdale College in the spring of 2020 I now write on topics ranging from politics, ethics, sports, and music. I grew up in west Michigan where I developed a taste for always expanding my circles of influence and understanding the nuances of the world at large. My passions include reading philosophy, especially utopian/dystopian literature, active living, musical production, playing guitar, and exploring all the nooks and crannies of our beautiful world. I can be found on Twitter.

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  1. “I think this would be a good and prudent change. If we desire online communities to be more human, it is easy to understand how anonymity potentially stands in the way of that sort of integrity. T”

    Disagree with this. The biggest source of disinformation these days is non-anonymous accounts like, say, the President. Getting rid of anonymity won’t do anything to stop it and will endanger people who need their identity protected.

    Otherwise, I enjoyed this post.Report

    • Damon in reply to Michael Siegel says:

      Concur.

      Anonymous accounts are a net good. It’s no different that in real life, not broadcasting your opinions to a group of people who may not agree with you and/or actively hostile. I don’t talk certain topics/issues with folks I don’t know well because 1) I don’t need me giving me their shit if they disagree and 2) I don’t want them trying to “get back at me” for something I said that they took offense to…ie cancel culture.

      As for who owns the person’s data? I own my data, or should own it. You want it, let’s work a deal where I get something other than the use of your site for my data.Report

  2. Jaybird says:

    There is an argument that goes something to the effect of “if the founding fathers could have foreseen the AR-15, they would have rewritten the 2nd Amendment’.

    I’m not going to argue that particular point one way or the other. One thing I will do is say that we’re in a place where we seem to be saying “if the founding fathers could have foreseen social media, they would have rewritten the 1st Amendment”. (See also: Post-Modern Religions.)Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to Jaybird says:

      The founding fathers didn’t need to write a different 1st or 2nd Amendment, because they never really expected things to remain static. They expected the document to get updated regularly.Report

  3. Patrick lays out a lot of divergent threads well here for a short piece, but I’ll pick out the anonymity piece which I disagree with. I don’t doubt that not only do a lot of folks want that but I suspect it is coming where anonymity will be stamped out on the internet. But I’m against it vehemently. All the issues with bots, and troll farms, and whatnot can be dealt with without doing that. I write/tweet under my own name, but I am very aware how many folks – including many right here at Ordinary Times, need such protections to freely express their opinions. I will never be for eliminating anonymity since like most half-baked regulatory fixes it will damage and punish the most vulnerable voices while empowering the folks that didn’t need it in the first place.Report

    • Semi-regularly, that position comes up on twitter. Here’s an example.

      My recommendation is to check that tweet out but then look at the quote tweets for that tweet. (Hey! You’re in there!)

      There are counter-arguments that appeal to morality, that appeal to utility, and that appeal to “nunya”.

      I’m just usually noticing that each time this argument comes up, it comes up as if it has never come up before. I’d like someone to give this take and open with something like “Now, I understand that there are a lot of marginalized communities that rely on anonymity but here’s why I think that that trade-off is worth making” instead of starting from square one.

      At least the counter-arguments to square one are formalized by this point.Report

    • Patrick Murphy in reply to Andrew Donaldson says:

      I should say that by anonymity I do not mean that you couldn’t present yourself under an alias. There are a lot of goods that come from that. I only offer removal of anonymity for the verification process, something more that offers that this is a real person attempting to make an account on said Platform. I don’t expect it to be by any means perfect but with the sheer number of fake and duplicate accounts that exist there may be some middle ground that could come about. It would be something more private to users, only concerning platform relations. Anonymity has its value and, to the degree that individuals can distance themselves from their online presence, worth preserving. I think that should still be preserved. I should have prefaced that in the anonymity section. Of course, it would remain a touchy subject for how that would be realized and would raise the degree to which data protection was vital for users.Report

      • Fair enough, and I’m using what you wrote to jump to the broader point not that you are advocating it yourself. As Jay mentions elsewhere here there is a constant drumbeat to get rid of all anonymity, and it is inevitable someone with enough stroke to get it as a bill in congress is going to try it. The push against anonymity will always be a hammer-nail dynamic cause the folks that need it most will never be in a position to preserve it themselves from folks who find it an annoyance at best and a threat at worst.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Andrew Donaldson says:

      Some thoughts on your points…

      The internet is unique among personal media in that everything is recorded, or should be assumed to be recorded. When you speak in the hall, it’s almost certainly transient: no one except the person heard it and neither you nor they recorded it. When you speak in church, the audience is limited and it’s not recorded. When you tweet or e-mail or post/comment on a blog, it’s being recorded by a variety of software in a variety of places for a variety of purposes.

      Anonymity on the internet is, if not a null concept, close to it. It is very hard, requiring enormous dedication, to maintain a secret identity. Here at OT, Burt Likko has done a very good job over a period of many years. (IIRC, though, he has on at least one occasion posted a picture of himself in some setting. For someone who is determined enough, and has adequate resources, that’s probably enough.) I learned Will Truman’s actual identity through some slip-up. Within a few weeks, LinkedIn was asking me, “Do you know so-and-so?” with Will’s real name.

      Like you, I write under my real name. In large part that’s to remind me that internet anonymity is thin, and that I shouldn’t write things that I would find embarrassing. Or when I was employed, that my employer would find embarrassing. I am inclined to the opinion that someone who claims, “I can’t express my real opinion because if my boss finds out I’ll get fired,” or “I can’t express my real opinion because my spouse will divorce me,” should reconsider whether they’re working in the right place or married to the right person. Rather than demanding that the internet should provide the sort of anonymity it was never designed to do.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Michael Cain says:

        Yeah, periodically a scandal bubbles up where facebook or linkedin starts recommending a particular psychiatrist’s patients to each other as friends/contacts.

        I know that my linkedin for my email account that I made for here exclusively gets recommendations for members of my Saturday night gaming group.

        Metadata. Sweet, sweet metadata.Report

      • Damon in reply to Michael Cain says:

        “everything is recorded, or should be assumed to be recorded.” No. There is no assuming or guessing. EVERYTHING IS recorded. That whistle blower from AT&T already told us–gee over a decade ago, about the NSA coming to and attaching a connection to their backbone. What do you think all those gov’t server farms out west are for? The US hoovers up everything. True story. I worked with a Brit once who worked with the US intelligence guys in the UK. The US guys spied on the UK, and the UK guys spied on the US…and they swapped info. If the US isn’t spying on you, one of our friends is doing it for us.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Andrew Donaldson says:

      I feel that it’s less about anonymity, and more about the ease people feel with dividing Online from Real Life. Like, even if people are posting on a Facebook community group or Nextdoor with their real name (and even their address!) they’ll still act in utterly horrible ways, and if you speak to them in person they’re honestly confused as to why you might be upset. “ust put the phone down and get on with your life! It’s not my fault you’re a social-media addict!”

      The Internet is still seen as A Place You Go, separate and distinct from Real Life, and that really influences how people behave.Report