How dare you consider nuance in this debate, Mark. For shame!
2009-01-30 20:48:09
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2009-01-30 20:41:11
Cascadian.... < blockquote > you savvy? followed by < /blockquote > minus the spaces...
You can use em or i for italics...not sure about all of it. Feel free to expirement...
2009-01-30 20:25:01
Chris--agreed. And am in general agreement regarding the post at large, as I am grudginlgy pro-choice but do see more room for restrictions and regulations etc.
matako--first off, I'm not a republican though I do believe in the Republic, and not all Conservatives are anti-any-of-those-things you describe though certainly some are, perhaps even most. And I agree too that the GOP is a bunch of morons in large part, but that is not the same thing WHATSOEVER as the culture war which goes much deeper than politics.
Just remember, nothing is so changeable as the human heart, save perhaps the human mob. Tidal might be the word I'd use to describe it.
2009-01-30 20:14:33
But matako, you yourself use the term "eventually" regarding prop 8; and don't be sure of anything regarding Roe v Wade--that can change with the simple appointment of another conservative to the SCOTUS. Not under Obama, no, but who next? Just don't count on anything and you'll live a happier life.
2009-01-30 20:12:28
Maybe, but the GOP and the culture wars are two entirely different things. And if you haven't noticed, politics, culture--it all moves in circles. What happened two years after Clinton got elected? Or 12 years after Reagan? Who won in 2000? In 2008? Nothing is over. I haven't heard one damn fat lady singing...
2009-01-30 19:27:36
Culture wars never end. They are usually not termed "wars" and shouldn't be, but they never end. At what point in time has "culture" itself been static? matako, your arrogance will be your undoing. It comes across not so much as confidence but as the lack thereof.
I say this as someone largely sympathetic to the causes you argue for. I don't think these sort of brash statements further the conversation, and Dave is exactly right, this ain't over yet. Nor will it ever be.
Chris, I don't mean to thread-jack. I'll have a better response up as a post.
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How dare you consider nuance in this debate, Mark. For shame!
de nada
Cascadian.... < blockquote > you savvy? followed by < /blockquote > minus the spaces...
You can use em or i for italics...not sure about all of it. Feel free to expirement...
Chris--agreed. And am in general agreement regarding the post at large, as I am grudginlgy pro-choice but do see more room for restrictions and regulations etc.
matako--first off, I'm not a republican though I do believe in the Republic, and not all Conservatives are anti-any-of-those-things you describe though certainly some are, perhaps even most. And I agree too that the GOP is a bunch of morons in large part, but that is not the same thing WHATSOEVER as the culture war which goes much deeper than politics.
Just remember, nothing is so changeable as the human heart, save perhaps the human mob. Tidal might be the word I'd use to describe it.
But matako, you yourself use the term "eventually" regarding prop 8; and don't be sure of anything regarding Roe v Wade--that can change with the simple appointment of another conservative to the SCOTUS. Not under Obama, no, but who next? Just don't count on anything and you'll live a happier life.
Maybe, but the GOP and the culture wars are two entirely different things. And if you haven't noticed, politics, culture--it all moves in circles. What happened two years after Clinton got elected? Or 12 years after Reagan? Who won in 2000? In 2008? Nothing is over. I haven't heard one damn fat lady singing...
Culture wars never end. They are usually not termed "wars" and shouldn't be, but they never end. At what point in time has "culture" itself been static? matako, your arrogance will be your undoing. It comes across not so much as confidence but as the lack thereof.
I say this as someone largely sympathetic to the causes you argue for. I don't think these sort of brash statements further the conversation, and Dave is exactly right, this ain't over yet. Nor will it ever be.
Chris, I don't mean to thread-jack. I'll have a better response up as a post.