The version of that where I'm from is everyone is related if you go back far enough, so don't go back far enough. In the Civil War, my mothers family had two Hughes, not related, meet and marry becoming my 2x great grandparents. Makes the family lines fun to untangle. Then on my Dad side there is schism where the Catholic side kept the original spelling (at least since they changed it at Ellis Island) of our last name while the protestant converts (or heretics depending on your POV) changed it (Donelson to Donaldson). Nothing more complicated than family.
I have WV jokes for days, cousins is the least of our worries. Including basic training when Sgt Perez had everyone clap for me getting my "first pair of shoes".
I suppose I'm rare then that I am s content at Bar Crudo in San Fransisco as I am beside the fire on top of my WV mountain. I don't want my hillbilly brethren (I can say that, as I is one) whining about the coastal elites anymore than I want those elites joking about marrying cousins. Aesthetics, after all, is just a nice way of putting people judge the book strickly on the cover. Maybe "othering" is far more the problem than the policy debates.
No need for sorry I can be inarticulate sometimes, so fault is at least half mine.
I understand KDW was fired, and shabbily so by any measure, but the end result is he is far more known to people now than he was before, his core audience solidified if not grew, and he can take his pick of publications to go to that are right leaning, if not do his own venture. The people calling for his head MEANT him harm, but in reality-and to their credit some on the left pointed this out as it was occurring-they just turned him into a cause celeb for the right to rally around. In the end, in many ways, KDW is better off.
It is the PYNK video I flipped the artist/Ft my apologies. Skrillex is an interesting guy, he actually started out in a metal band, and has worked with everyone from the remaining members of The Doors, to Korn several times, to Junior Gong Marley.
And I avoid k-pop quite easily; much like when they open the Ark of the Covenant, just close your eyes and don't look, no matter what happens...
I think you are right and there is merit in the idea that conservatives are more an individual identity whereas liberal/progressives gravitate easily to a communal idea. It can go to far in a generalization though, and not all those immigrants believe the same thing. It would be a stretch to assume all immigrants are going to be "non-white, non-Christian" as people are more complex than that. The vast majority of Hispanic immigrants are at least nominally Catholic (I realize some protestant would argue the Christian as Catholic, that is another topic for another day). There is a segment of conservatives that no doubt feel the way you explain, operating out of fear and perceived issues instead of real ones. But they are not all conservatives. And the segment that thinks that way is not as large as you may think. To those that do take a strictly racial/fear based approach, your final statement is true. T
I was speaking directly to the KDW situation that was raised in that comment, where everyone not named Kevin D. Williamson was not harmed at all. We should stand up to all mobs, every time, regardless of their wants and causes. It is legitimate to raise the concerns of why the left, academic and otherwise, let the perception they condone such things linger, and frankly many need to answer for encouraging it. But let us not pretend there are not those on the right openly hoping to be in positions of power to do the very same thing if they are not held in checked and policed by their own. When you have folks openly rooting for civil war, what's a few riots in the course of events to them? Its all wrong, and needs to be called as such.
Paradigm shifts are tricky things, you have a lot of factors such as population changes, economics, regional considerations, ect. Separate conversation but the "collapse of the blue wall" is really the changing of the Democrat party to new priorities and demographics. It's not unlike the once "solid south" that was Democrat for years is now consistently Red State territory. Things are cyclical before they are political.
There is the same sentiment on the right in some quarters. What you speak of isn't so much a political or right/left thing but a station in life thing. I know the area I grew up in, rural, small, very insular, I can have problems just having conversations with people I know, love, and grew up with but they stayed and I didn't and now to them I'm an "other". A lot of it is relatability, there is some jealousy when you do well and others don't, and a few true believers such as your starving artist friends and mine who stayed "where they belonged" who will cry "sellout". Which is fine, but those are the people who often quickly fuss about unfair.
Thinking someone is out to get you, who cannot harm you, is not a bad working definition of paranoia. Williamson can speak for himself, and has in a WSJ piece this past weekend, as has The Atlantic both defending and questioning themselves. It affects the two parties involved, and yes broadly applied to discourse of ideologies in media it is an example of one being represented disproportionately to the other. But, and I ask this with no snark at all, so what? KDW was effectively made a martyr of the piece, and is far more recognizable and marketable now than before. The Atlantic got attention, though bad press its still eyeballs and clicks to their site. (Disclosure, I read both The Atlantic and NRO frequently so take that for what you will). In the end everyone is probably in better shape than before, let alone harmed. The Atlantic can hire and fire who they please. Williamson and any other conservative know if you are going to going swimming in those waters there are sharks, and you have to do things cleaner and better than the next guy. It isn't fair, its just how it is. I suspect the same would be true if Townhall got a wild hair, hired Maureen Dowd, then fired her after one column when they discover her views on abortion are antithetical to theirs, saying mean things about the right, ect. The "outrage" of the left is out to get them, in this case and in my opinion, is overblown. Frankly, I left the episode respecting both The Atlantic (Not Goldberg's waffling but allowing their own writers to publish dissent, and for audacity of trying it in the first place) and KDW more than when it began, without agreeing with or defending either.
I would agree with you, and go further than any group that goes to "I cant hear you" will quickly be marginalized for just that very reason. It's a phenomenon that is above parties or politics-people once they shut out everything but their own thoughts get passed by.
I think there is a lot of truth to what you say. My concern is folks who go to a unfair argument not out of mistreatment but out of not getting their way is the gateway to self-victimizing yourself into a mark for those that are monetizing such feelings. And that business is booming. Niche marketing isn't wrong in and of itself, but it can quickly become the self-perpetuating echo chamber it was ostensibly formed to counter.
I think, as another put it earlier, fair remains an ideal-a noble ideal-but it when it the reverse of crying unfair at everything and anything becomes crippling to all other advancement you have a problem. There are stereotypes involved here to some extent: the right seeing the lefts idealism as unrealistically utopian while the left can see the rights (supposed) insistence on self reliance as cold-hearted and uncaring. As you point out we live in a society where many are so comfortable they question the very notion of working long and hard, whereas historically and in many parts of the world that is bare minimum to survive. I think people break out the "unfair" argument too quickly and too broadly and it stops all further conversation or discussion.
Fair enough. I think there is a difference in the occasional complaint, as we all do, about topics is one thing. Constantly acting as if everything is unfair all the time for no other reason than "they" are out to get you, whoever "they" may be, is something worth decrying. Everything in moderation, of course.
To your point: even the usage of "snowflake" has been so universally applied it has lost the meaning it had for a brief period. Unfairness, especially with pointing out hypocrisy does really solve anything other revealing the obvious. It is called the hypocrisy fallacy in philosophy for a reason. Certainly moral arguments it matters more, but just complaining about the other guy or the system doesn't accomplish much.
Not at all, but where fairness is just that, an ideal, trying to use unfairness as an operating philosophy is going to be very limiting in accomplishing something positive.
That Grimes video got some attention this past week just for the screen shot of the costumes, though few provided context of the music.
Few EDM videos that come to mind (mild content warning on a few of these): First of the Year-Skrillex which is creepy but utilizes synching the beat as part of the story, something that drives me crazy when not done right and the video and song isnt synched. DJ Snake does a Indian Firefighers-meets Magical Mystery tour type thing, stick with it to the drop at 2:25 when it goes surreal and the visuals become movie-quality
And Avicii, who just died over the weekend, consistently had some out-there video concepts, like this one, that never would have ran on MTV of old.
I completely forgot about Fred Ward being in that. Outstanding. The ending with OJ Simpson and the baby is a classic that is just surreal in retrospect. Well Done.
Important to note, some reporting on this Waffle House incident has said that when Shaw grabbed the rifle and took it from the shooter, the shooter was looking down at it. Whether you interpret that as a jam or he was out and needed to reload, something happened that impeded his ability to continue his attack, even if momentarily.
RE: the prop thing: I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who take those pics and post them on social media expressly to garner attention. You are not advancing anything other than drawing attention to yourself.
The Columbine tidbit about not being is interesting. People forget, Eisenhower was president when the AR-15 was invented, and it has been exclusively sold to the civilian market since 1964. It didn't magically or suddenly become more deadly. The issue is more than just the weapon.
I've been looking but cant find specifics: LE turned the weapon over to father, who gave it back to son, reportedly. I'd like to know what conditions it was returned to the father on, probably goes a long way toward liability. Criminal and Civil liability will be two different things, of course.
No doubt. It will be interesting to see how this is covered by media and followed by populace. Parkland obviously was a huge story but the YouTube shooting fell off the face of the Earth almost immediately once shooter became known. See which was this one goes.
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General rule of thumb should be if you have to graph it to see if its ok or not, probably time to just move along.
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The version of that where I'm from is everyone is related if you go back far enough, so don't go back far enough. In the Civil War, my mothers family had two Hughes, not related, meet and marry becoming my 2x great grandparents. Makes the family lines fun to untangle. Then on my Dad side there is schism where the Catholic side kept the original spelling (at least since they changed it at Ellis Island) of our last name while the protestant converts (or heretics depending on your POV) changed it (Donelson to Donaldson). Nothing more complicated than family.
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I have WV jokes for days, cousins is the least of our worries. Including basic training when Sgt Perez had everyone clap for me getting my "first pair of shoes".
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above second is not legally recognized, just not recommended
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I suppose I'm rare then that I am s content at Bar Crudo in San Fransisco as I am beside the fire on top of my WV mountain. I don't want my hillbilly brethren (I can say that, as I is one) whining about the coastal elites anymore than I want those elites joking about marrying cousins. Aesthetics, after all, is just a nice way of putting people judge the book strickly on the cover. Maybe "othering" is far more the problem than the policy debates.
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No need for sorry I can be inarticulate sometimes, so fault is at least half mine.
I understand KDW was fired, and shabbily so by any measure, but the end result is he is far more known to people now than he was before, his core audience solidified if not grew, and he can take his pick of publications to go to that are right leaning, if not do his own venture. The people calling for his head MEANT him harm, but in reality-and to their credit some on the left pointed this out as it was occurring-they just turned him into a cause celeb for the right to rally around. In the end, in many ways, KDW is better off.
On “Record Store Day 2018”
It is the PYNK video I flipped the artist/Ft my apologies. Skrillex is an interesting guy, he actually started out in a metal band, and has worked with everyone from the remaining members of The Doors, to Korn several times, to Junior Gong Marley.
And I avoid k-pop quite easily; much like when they open the Ark of the Covenant, just close your eyes and don't look, no matter what happens...
On “If Conservatives Want to be Heard, Stop Whining About Unfair”
I think you are right and there is merit in the idea that conservatives are more an individual identity whereas liberal/progressives gravitate easily to a communal idea. It can go to far in a generalization though, and not all those immigrants believe the same thing. It would be a stretch to assume all immigrants are going to be "non-white, non-Christian" as people are more complex than that. The vast majority of Hispanic immigrants are at least nominally Catholic (I realize some protestant would argue the Christian as Catholic, that is another topic for another day). There is a segment of conservatives that no doubt feel the way you explain, operating out of fear and perceived issues instead of real ones. But they are not all conservatives. And the segment that thinks that way is not as large as you may think. To those that do take a strictly racial/fear based approach, your final statement is true. T
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I was speaking directly to the KDW situation that was raised in that comment, where everyone not named Kevin D. Williamson was not harmed at all. We should stand up to all mobs, every time, regardless of their wants and causes. It is legitimate to raise the concerns of why the left, academic and otherwise, let the perception they condone such things linger, and frankly many need to answer for encouraging it. But let us not pretend there are not those on the right openly hoping to be in positions of power to do the very same thing if they are not held in checked and policed by their own. When you have folks openly rooting for civil war, what's a few riots in the course of events to them? Its all wrong, and needs to be called as such.
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Paradigm shifts are tricky things, you have a lot of factors such as population changes, economics, regional considerations, ect. Separate conversation but the "collapse of the blue wall" is really the changing of the Democrat party to new priorities and demographics. It's not unlike the once "solid south" that was Democrat for years is now consistently Red State territory. Things are cyclical before they are political.
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There is the same sentiment on the right in some quarters. What you speak of isn't so much a political or right/left thing but a station in life thing. I know the area I grew up in, rural, small, very insular, I can have problems just having conversations with people I know, love, and grew up with but they stayed and I didn't and now to them I'm an "other". A lot of it is relatability, there is some jealousy when you do well and others don't, and a few true believers such as your starving artist friends and mine who stayed "where they belonged" who will cry "sellout". Which is fine, but those are the people who often quickly fuss about unfair.
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Thinking someone is out to get you, who cannot harm you, is not a bad working definition of paranoia. Williamson can speak for himself, and has in a WSJ piece this past weekend, as has The Atlantic both defending and questioning themselves. It affects the two parties involved, and yes broadly applied to discourse of ideologies in media it is an example of one being represented disproportionately to the other. But, and I ask this with no snark at all, so what? KDW was effectively made a martyr of the piece, and is far more recognizable and marketable now than before. The Atlantic got attention, though bad press its still eyeballs and clicks to their site. (Disclosure, I read both The Atlantic and NRO frequently so take that for what you will). In the end everyone is probably in better shape than before, let alone harmed. The Atlantic can hire and fire who they please. Williamson and any other conservative know if you are going to going swimming in those waters there are sharks, and you have to do things cleaner and better than the next guy. It isn't fair, its just how it is. I suspect the same would be true if Townhall got a wild hair, hired Maureen Dowd, then fired her after one column when they discover her views on abortion are antithetical to theirs, saying mean things about the right, ect. The "outrage" of the left is out to get them, in this case and in my opinion, is overblown. Frankly, I left the episode respecting both The Atlantic (Not Goldberg's waffling but allowing their own writers to publish dissent, and for audacity of trying it in the first place) and KDW more than when it began, without agreeing with or defending either.
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I would agree with you, and go further than any group that goes to "I cant hear you" will quickly be marginalized for just that very reason. It's a phenomenon that is above parties or politics-people once they shut out everything but their own thoughts get passed by.
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I think there is a lot of truth to what you say. My concern is folks who go to a unfair argument not out of mistreatment but out of not getting their way is the gateway to self-victimizing yourself into a mark for those that are monetizing such feelings. And that business is booming. Niche marketing isn't wrong in and of itself, but it can quickly become the self-perpetuating echo chamber it was ostensibly formed to counter.
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I think, as another put it earlier, fair remains an ideal-a noble ideal-but it when it the reverse of crying unfair at everything and anything becomes crippling to all other advancement you have a problem. There are stereotypes involved here to some extent: the right seeing the lefts idealism as unrealistically utopian while the left can see the rights (supposed) insistence on self reliance as cold-hearted and uncaring. As you point out we live in a society where many are so comfortable they question the very notion of working long and hard, whereas historically and in many parts of the world that is bare minimum to survive. I think people break out the "unfair" argument too quickly and too broadly and it stops all further conversation or discussion.
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Fair enough. I think there is a difference in the occasional complaint, as we all do, about topics is one thing. Constantly acting as if everything is unfair all the time for no other reason than "they" are out to get you, whoever "they" may be, is something worth decrying. Everything in moderation, of course.
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To your point: even the usage of "snowflake" has been so universally applied it has lost the meaning it had for a brief period. Unfairness, especially with pointing out hypocrisy does really solve anything other revealing the obvious. It is called the hypocrisy fallacy in philosophy for a reason. Certainly moral arguments it matters more, but just complaining about the other guy or the system doesn't accomplish much.
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Not at all, but where fairness is just that, an ideal, trying to use unfairness as an operating philosophy is going to be very limiting in accomplishing something positive.
On “Record Store Day 2018”
That Grimes video got some attention this past week just for the screen shot of the costumes, though few provided context of the music.
Few EDM videos that come to mind (mild content warning on a few of these):
First of the Year-Skrillex which is creepy but utilizes synching the beat as part of the story, something that drives me crazy when not done right and the video and song isnt synched.
DJ Snake does a Indian Firefighers-meets Magical Mystery tour type thing, stick with it to the drop at 2:25 when it goes surreal and the visuals become movie-quality
And Avicii, who just died over the weekend, consistently had some out-there video concepts, like this one, that never would have ran on MTV of old.
On “Waffle House in Tennessee Scene of Fatal Shooting *Updated*”
I completely forgot about Fred Ward being in that. Outstanding. The ending with OJ Simpson and the baby is a classic that is just surreal in retrospect. Well Done.
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Important to note, some reporting on this Waffle House incident has said that when Shaw grabbed the rifle and took it from the shooter, the shooter was looking down at it. Whether you interpret that as a jam or he was out and needed to reload, something happened that impeded his ability to continue his attack, even if momentarily.
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RE: the prop thing: I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who take those pics and post them on social media expressly to garner attention. You are not advancing anything other than drawing attention to yourself.
The Columbine tidbit about not being is interesting. People forget, Eisenhower was president when the AR-15 was invented, and it has been exclusively sold to the civilian market since 1964. It didn't magically or suddenly become more deadly. The issue is more than just the weapon.
On “Waffle House in Tennessee Scene of Fatal Shooting *Updated*”
I've been looking but cant find specifics: LE turned the weapon over to father, who gave it back to son, reportedly. I'd like to know what conditions it was returned to the father on, probably goes a long way toward liability. Criminal and Civil liability will be two different things, of course.
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No doubt. It will be interesting to see how this is covered by media and followed by populace. Parkland obviously was a huge story but the YouTube shooting fell off the face of the Earth almost immediately once shooter became known. See which was this one goes.