Very interesting indeed. I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that the indespensible Bruce Bartlett has a post up explaining in elegant detail the relationship between the Chinese and American economies and currencies. I think a lot of the leagues economicly interested peeps would find it interesting.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/11/treasury-securities-national-debt-china-trade-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett_2.html
Thanks Mark. Scott, for clarification if you could cite some WWII examples like the CIA torture err enhanced interogation manuals described in detail here: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/03/09/waterboarding_for_dummies/index.html
Then I'll be willing to reconsider my high high opinion of the greatest generation.
I've followed the link. It mentions one marine taking a gold tooth out of a still living Japanese soldier after a battle and getting shouted down by his comrades. Somehow that doesn't strike me as the same as Bush Minors' habits of ordering the methodical torturing of people to try and get information or our latest Gutanamo spectacle of sending "suicides" back with their throats completely removed so that we can't verify that their deaths were accidental.
Gonna have to call bullshit Scott. There's an enormous difference between what happens in combat and what you do when combat is done and the enemy lies in your power. If you have any cites of marine torture of captured Japanese soldiers I'd invite you to share them now. Otherwise I'd advise steering clear of any assemblies of WWII veterans, when you go about implying that they behaved dishonorably out of combat.
Do elaborate Scott. Ol' FDR was no saint (Japanese camps for instance) but I'm sure if he and Fala had been institutionalizing and authorizing torture *cough* sorry Mr. Yoo's interesting enhanced interrogation techniques, then I imagine it'd have been all over Fox long ago.
Ah so Bob? So in response to their barbarity we should become barbarians ourselves? Is that is the lesson that the berserk Republicans would proffer and the cowardly Democrats would allow?
The founding Fathers would weep and curse us through their tears.
My icy cold Business Majoring heart is breaking Mike. I disagree on the economics classes though. Micro&Macro Economics should be mandatory as should at least basic finance classes. I found that the world looked very different after those classes at the very least and finance classes will change how you look at credit cards forever. I think the country would benefit greatly if more people had access to at least skeletal versions of those three fields.
I'll cop a guilty plea to that charge Art.
I'm guessing you feel that thousands of American service members lives and a trillion dollars was worth it so that Iraq could have a democratic government? If so we have a lot more countries to go. I'm sure we could throw together a list. Wait weren't we supposed to get a side of Weapons of Mass Destruction with our Kill Saddam/Democratize Iraq happy meal?
That said I'm glad the Iraqi's are pulling it off. Good for them, power to em and all that. My indictments would be against certain former administrations in this country, not against the courageous peeps of Iraq.
Er well neither did I. But they did teach spelling in my highschool and I would guess that they taught it in yours. I would of course love to go down your posts merrily demolishing your assertions but it's important to know what one is getting into before one commits to such an endevor. Especially when there are such copious quantities of assertions to demolish.
While we're referring to interesting articles I'd like to reccomend Freddie's article:
http://wunderkammermag.com/politics-and-society/forgetting-fundamentals-conservatism
It's an very good bit of writing.
I'd love to chat with ya Madmilker, but I'm sorry, your effected "accent" or online voice is kindof throwing me for a loop. Is it intentional or is english your second language?
Well yes I'm certainly not saying that sweatshop labor was the only work there was to do Nob. But all the things we deplore sweatshops for; unsafe working conditions, brutal hours, low wages, employment of children, were completely typical in our own countries until the populations developed enough, both in terms of wealth and in terms of consciousness to be able to demand better treatment. Are we in any position to demand that the current developing world do as we say not as we did so to speak?
A minor point Dex. We've had "sweatshops" for as long as we've had the concept of industrialized labor. It's only in recent times that we as a species have advanced economically to the point where we have the luxury of differentiating "sweatshops" from other factories. A century plus ago we didn't call em sweatshops, they were just the job.
That is certainly a very... interesting read. Very full of character. It's too late to try and touch on the substance of the post, maybe in the morning. Thank you for sharing it.
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Maybe, but they remain the technical authority who puts them in place. These codes aren't typically being imposed by state or federal agencies.
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Very interesting indeed. I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that the indespensible Bruce Bartlett has a post up explaining in elegant detail the relationship between the Chinese and American economies and currencies. I think a lot of the leagues economicly interested peeps would find it interesting.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/11/treasury-securities-national-debt-china-trade-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett_2.html
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Thanks Mark. Scott, for clarification if you could cite some WWII examples like the CIA torture err enhanced interogation manuals described in detail here: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/03/09/waterboarding_for_dummies/index.html
Then I'll be willing to reconsider my high high opinion of the greatest generation.
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I've followed the link. It mentions one marine taking a gold tooth out of a still living Japanese soldier after a battle and getting shouted down by his comrades. Somehow that doesn't strike me as the same as Bush Minors' habits of ordering the methodical torturing of people to try and get information or our latest Gutanamo spectacle of sending "suicides" back with their throats completely removed so that we can't verify that their deaths were accidental.
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What a nightmare!
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Thanks for contributing Hopsong.
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Gonna have to call bullshit Scott. There's an enormous difference between what happens in combat and what you do when combat is done and the enemy lies in your power. If you have any cites of marine torture of captured Japanese soldiers I'd invite you to share them now. Otherwise I'd advise steering clear of any assemblies of WWII veterans, when you go about implying that they behaved dishonorably out of combat.
"
Do elaborate Scott. Ol' FDR was no saint (Japanese camps for instance) but I'm sure if he and Fala had been institutionalizing and authorizing torture *cough* sorry Mr. Yoo's interesting enhanced interrogation techniques, then I imagine it'd have been all over Fox long ago.
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Good luck!
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Ah so Bob? So in response to their barbarity we should become barbarians ourselves? Is that is the lesson that the berserk Republicans would proffer and the cowardly Democrats would allow?
The founding Fathers would weep and curse us through their tears.
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Very clever that's a good catch. A pity that the conclusion leaves me with ashes in my mouth just like Jay.
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My icy cold Business Majoring heart is breaking Mike. I disagree on the economics classes though. Micro&Macro Economics should be mandatory as should at least basic finance classes. I found that the world looked very different after those classes at the very least and finance classes will change how you look at credit cards forever. I think the country would benefit greatly if more people had access to at least skeletal versions of those three fields.
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You got it Nate. Email notifications? You're a braver man than I.
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I'll cop a guilty plea to that charge Art.
I'm guessing you feel that thousands of American service members lives and a trillion dollars was worth it so that Iraq could have a democratic government? If so we have a lot more countries to go. I'm sure we could throw together a list. Wait weren't we supposed to get a side of Weapons of Mass Destruction with our Kill Saddam/Democratize Iraq happy meal?
That said I'm glad the Iraqi's are pulling it off. Good for them, power to em and all that. My indictments would be against certain former administrations in this country, not against the courageous peeps of Iraq.
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Also "ornithogalli" has a th in it so you're breaking verbal character.
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Dude! I thought you said you were gone?
Also in your cruel persecution of the letter h shouldn't you be pronouncing the as "te"?
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Er well neither did I. But they did teach spelling in my highschool and I would guess that they taught it in yours. I would of course love to go down your posts merrily demolishing your assertions but it's important to know what one is getting into before one commits to such an endevor. Especially when there are such copious quantities of assertions to demolish.
On “The Unholy Alliance”
While we're referring to interesting articles I'd like to reccomend Freddie's article:
http://wunderkammermag.com/politics-and-society/forgetting-fundamentals-conservatism
It's an very good bit of writing.
On “Of Elections and Insurgencies”
Yeah horray, Iraq is having some elections. It wasn't worth it.
On “A brief defense of Walmart”
I'd love to chat with ya Madmilker, but I'm sorry, your effected "accent" or online voice is kindof throwing me for a loop. Is it intentional or is english your second language?
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So you're asserting Trizzlor that Wal-mart is successful and profitable only because of governmental support?
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To be honest that's a considerably more moderate libertarian response than I expected but it is consistent. Thank you for clarifying.
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Well yes I'm certainly not saying that sweatshop labor was the only work there was to do Nob. But all the things we deplore sweatshops for; unsafe working conditions, brutal hours, low wages, employment of children, were completely typical in our own countries until the populations developed enough, both in terms of wealth and in terms of consciousness to be able to demand better treatment. Are we in any position to demand that the current developing world do as we say not as we did so to speak?
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A minor point Dex. We've had "sweatshops" for as long as we've had the concept of industrialized labor. It's only in recent times that we as a species have advanced economically to the point where we have the luxury of differentiating "sweatshops" from other factories. A century plus ago we didn't call em sweatshops, they were just the job.
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That is certainly a very... interesting read. Very full of character. It's too late to try and touch on the substance of the post, maybe in the morning. Thank you for sharing it.
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