Speaking for myself specifically and the left in general Joe I can say with absolute certainty that the left would object to this abominable law even if it increased public support for the legality of abortion. They and I would oppose it even if it magically turned every woman who heard about the policy into a flaming liberal.
Tellya the truth, I personally am less militant about this stuff, more non-confrontational, more “moderate.” But this law has a supermajority in the Virginia legislature, and that’s enough for them to push this agenda per my view of political philosophy of consensus: fine, proper, and democratic.
Odd Tom, PPACA had a supermajority in the Senate when it passed but that didn't make it acceptable enough for you to not say it was an illegal power grab by the administration that was illegally rammed down our collective throats.
What I find particularily galling is he somehow tries to fob accusations of treating women like this on the left in general and feminism in particular.
I'm just reminding you (and myself) that one side of this affair would by and large be happy (ecstatic) to agree to never force anyone who objected to abortion to involve themselves with it in any way... so long as those who objected to abortion promised to not involve themselves with it in any way!
This is all well in good Will. Since I don't believe in positive rights I don't believe in some kind of positive right to compel a medical professional to perform an abortion for you.
But surely you'll conceed that not only do abortion foes face zero possability of being compelled to perform abortions in the US; they also have their collective snouts driven very deep into the business of women who choose to have abortions and those medical professionals who choose to provide them. Whether it be via an endless series of creative mounting regulatory indignities, the constant drumbeat of total prohibition or the extralegal acts of intimidation or outright terror the pro-life forces in the US are very far from the meek minding their own business side of this subject.
We're very much on the same page here Nob ol' boy. If it weren't so terribly important I'd find it quite fascinating. Instead I find it rather nervewracking.
The old saying goes that Americans will do the right thing after exhausting every other alternative. We are witnessing a test as to whether that saying will apply to the Germans. For quite a while now they've enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with the rest of Europe where the non-Germans get to borrow like Germans and the Germans get to trade like non-Germans. The effects of the former is quite blatantly obvious, the latter more subtle. It remains to be seen whether the German politicians and the German polity come to realize that, like their compatriots in Greece, they face an unpalatable choice: accept either higher inflation and/or higher transfer payments from Germany to the periphary or lose their convenient neighboring markets and the jobs that it gave Germany.
I've been following all the debate over this only generally (awfully busy in rl) but I would note that if this is a hill the GOP/Bishops/Conservatives decide to fight on I suspect they're going to die on it. Contraception is enormously supported by the public in general and women specifically and while one can try and make it a religious freedom arguement it requires more words, explanation and logical leaps than your average voter is going to be willing to indulge in. Politically putting this to bed is a no-brainer.
I'm rooting for Santorum; if they nominate him not only will he make the presidential campaign a fine entertaining frothy mess but I presume he'll produce a landslide Obama/Dem victory. Then, I hope, the GOP can finally move towards becoming the libertarian/sensible conservative/green eyeshade/adult party that Jaybird wishes it was and Mike fantasizes it is.
I dunno Brandon, 80 bucks a month (which is the amount I hear claimed regularily) doesn't seem that cheap to me. Also it's prescription only which means you need to lump in a doctors visit.
But really I despised Bella so much that really it's probably best she was inflicted on team sparkle power. Pity about the cruel fate she bestowed on Jacob tho.
I suppose that's a good point; it'd entirely depend on your definition of conservatism. I generally go off the conservatism practiced by the masses of conservatives (and don't get me started on the liberalism of the masses of liberals).
Likewise (well except for the Maribou part) but when it's raised as a conservative exemplar I can't help but point out how it defenestrates the core pillar of an important (american) conservative cause.
The point was that a couple could be (legally) married, in love and have a meaningful relationship despite having produced (and not being able to produce) no children. Additionally the main core of the film was about a man becoming a father figure to a child not biologically his own in the absence of the boy’s biological father. Both of these things cut far more in favor of the SSM advocates side of the narrative than not in my mind.
The point was that a couple could be (legally) married, in love and have a meaningful relationship despite having produced (and not being able to produce) no children. Additionally the main core of the film was about a man becoming a father figure to a child not biologically his own in the absence of the boy's biological father. Both of these things cut far more in favor of the SSM advocates side of the narrative than not in my mind.
Umm Jay, Up was at least partially about a childless couple who had a deep and meaningful relationship based on love and companionship in the explicit absence of procreation and children. The first fifteen minutes of that film eviscerates a core conservative arguement against SSM more devastatingly than any other art I've seen. Maybe Up works for conservatism in general but it'd certainly be banned from American Conservative dialogues.
On “The Virginia Ultrasound Bill and the Moniker of Rape”
Speaking for myself specifically and the left in general Joe I can say with absolute certainty that the left would object to this abominable law even if it increased public support for the legality of abortion. They and I would oppose it even if it magically turned every woman who heard about the policy into a flaming liberal.
On “Virginia’s Ultrasound Law”
Tellya the truth, I personally am less militant about this stuff, more non-confrontational, more “moderate.” But this law has a supermajority in the Virginia legislature, and that’s enough for them to push this agenda per my view of political philosophy of consensus: fine, proper, and democratic.
Odd Tom, PPACA had a supermajority in the Senate when it passed but that didn't make it acceptable enough for you to not say it was an illegal power grab by the administration that was illegally rammed down our collective throats.
On “What are women for?”
I'll offer a hearty liberal +1 to this.
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I think so, too but it's in distinguished company.
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*burp* that was me, sorry, was feeling a bit overfull, needed some spacing after lunch.
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What I find particularily galling is he somehow tries to fob accusations of treating women like this on the left in general and feminism in particular.
On “Access & Freedom of Conscience”
I think I did too until I relented and put in a valid one. I haven't been bombarded with LooG brand viagra adds yet.
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I'm just reminding you (and myself) that one side of this affair would by and large be happy (ecstatic) to agree to never force anyone who objected to abortion to involve themselves with it in any way... so long as those who objected to abortion promised to not involve themselves with it in any way!
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This is all well in good Will. Since I don't believe in positive rights I don't believe in some kind of positive right to compel a medical professional to perform an abortion for you.
But surely you'll conceed that not only do abortion foes face zero possability of being compelled to perform abortions in the US; they also have their collective snouts driven very deep into the business of women who choose to have abortions and those medical professionals who choose to provide them. Whether it be via an endless series of creative mounting regulatory indignities, the constant drumbeat of total prohibition or the extralegal acts of intimidation or outright terror the pro-life forces in the US are very far from the meek minding their own business side of this subject.
On “The European Austerity Experiment…”
We're very much on the same page here Nob ol' boy. If it weren't so terribly important I'd find it quite fascinating. Instead I find it rather nervewracking.
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The old saying goes that Americans will do the right thing after exhausting every other alternative. We are witnessing a test as to whether that saying will apply to the Germans. For quite a while now they've enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with the rest of Europe where the non-Germans get to borrow like Germans and the Germans get to trade like non-Germans. The effects of the former is quite blatantly obvious, the latter more subtle. It remains to be seen whether the German politicians and the German polity come to realize that, like their compatriots in Greece, they face an unpalatable choice: accept either higher inflation and/or higher transfer payments from Germany to the periphary or lose their convenient neighboring markets and the jobs that it gave Germany.
On “Contraception is pretty damn important to a woman’s health”
I've been following all the debate over this only generally (awfully busy in rl) but I would note that if this is a hill the GOP/Bishops/Conservatives decide to fight on I suspect they're going to die on it. Contraception is enormously supported by the public in general and women specifically and while one can try and make it a religious freedom arguement it requires more words, explanation and logical leaps than your average voter is going to be willing to indulge in. Politically putting this to bed is a no-brainer.
On “The Art Imbroglio, Cont.”
I'm rooting for Santorum; if they nominate him not only will he make the presidential campaign a fine entertaining frothy mess but I presume he'll produce a landslide Obama/Dem victory. Then, I hope, the GOP can finally move towards becoming the libertarian/sensible conservative/green eyeshade/adult party that Jaybird wishes it was and Mike fantasizes it is.
On “Contraception, Catholics, Compulsion, and Compelling Interests”
I dunno Brandon, 80 bucks a month (which is the amount I hear claimed regularily) doesn't seem that cheap to me. Also it's prescription only which means you need to lump in a doctors visit.
On “The Art Imbroglio, Cont.”
Hey! I'm hip!
On “Is There Conservative Art?”
*fistbump*
But really I despised Bella so much that really it's probably best she was inflicted on team sparkle power. Pity about the cruel fate she bestowed on Jacob tho.
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I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
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I suppose that's a good point; it'd entirely depend on your definition of conservatism. I generally go off the conservatism practiced by the masses of conservatives (and don't get me started on the liberalism of the masses of liberals).
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Likewise (well except for the Maribou part) but when it's raised as a conservative exemplar I can't help but point out how it defenestrates the core pillar of an important (american) conservative cause.
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The point was that a couple could be (legally) married, in love and have a meaningful relationship despite having produced (and not being able to produce) no children. Additionally the main core of the film was about a man becoming a father figure to a child not biologically his own in the absence of the boy’s biological father. Both of these things cut far more in favor of the SSM advocates side of the narrative than not in my mind.
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The point was that a couple could be (legally) married, in love and have a meaningful relationship despite having produced (and not being able to produce) no children. Additionally the main core of the film was about a man becoming a father figure to a child not biologically his own in the absence of the boy's biological father. Both of these things cut far more in favor of the SSM advocates side of the narrative than not in my mind.
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Umm Jay, Up was at least partially about a childless couple who had a deep and meaningful relationship based on love and companionship in the explicit absence of procreation and children. The first fifteen minutes of that film eviscerates a core conservative arguement against SSM more devastatingly than any other art I've seen. Maybe Up works for conservatism in general but it'd certainly be banned from American Conservative dialogues.
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I think I watched fifteen minutes of the half hour news hour. Doesn't that count as conservative art? Or is it more of a crime against humanity?
On “Pondering Positive Rights”
Can't contribute much since, despite being liberal, I don't really believe in positive rights.
On “Hear Ye, Hear Ye! The Constitutional Convention of the LoOG is Now In Session!”
Change "in God we Trust" on the money to "In Tod we Trust".
And, in the interest of being bipartisan, have Washington be sporting Tom's sunglasses in his 1 dollar bill portrait.
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