You're both forgiven, though you'll be shocked to learn that Eastern Canadians don't say "Eh" that's an Ontarian thing. Though we have our own... unique... regional dialects (speaking with people from Newfoundland can be quite an experience my pretty bit o' cod).
My stoney demenor remained merely bemused up until he used his "check" button on the fun passes. I'm not even that into math but it struck me as adorable. Real math-o-philes must have melted on the spot.
Well good, I'm glad we can speak with mutual respect.
I am not rich in time this afternoon so I had time for only a brief google-foo but I think that jobmonkey is monkeying with your numbers. The Globe and Mail was what I grabbed right quick but oil revenues aren't even on the federal budget. Accordingly my original objection pretty much stands. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/budget/article1488651.ece Canada's economy is a lot more than just a frosty bucket of oil.
That said, perhaps you and I (and Katherine) are talking past each other. What shambles are you referring to when you talk about Canada being rescued from a shambles by oil development and returning to it if the oil were to go away? You definitely have the advantage in years on me (and possibly Katherine). When she and I talk about Canadian crisis’s we're typically (and definitely in the case of this thread) talking about the economic and budgetary crisis in Canada in the 90's. That crisis was solved with responsible government policy: taxes raised, spending cut and budgets balanced. Yours is the first reference I've ever had of oil galloping to the rescue. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you? If so by all means illuminate away!
Ward, that may be, but attributing the vast majority of Canada's economic output to that sector (let alone crediting that sector with single handedly rescuing and maintaining prosperity for the entire country) strikes me as betraying a willful ignorance of Canada's economy, their recent political and fiscal history. It's also somewhat insulting to essentially write the country off as a mere petro state. I'd add that there also is a kind of willful whistling past the graveyard here since it's patently obvious that the medicine Canada took in the 90's is pretty much perfectly applicable to the US's budget woes today.
Well since by the reckoning of the 90's or even today Mulroney's administration would have been considered Centrist Democrats as measured by the US standard I don't think you were strictly wrong.
No doubt they have Will. Canada has also benefitted from having an economy that is more free than that of the US. They've benefitted from having past (mostly Liberal) governments that paid down their debts and balanced their budgets. They've certainly benefitted from spending less on healthcare and also in getting good results from the money they've spent. They've also benefitted from having rather strictly leashed banks that (until the bust) were derided for being boring, staid and low profit; and now are considered the go to model for stable banking. There are a lot of components to the current economic oomph in Canada.
Ward I haven't read through your link regarding Clinton but I can say with great confidence that you're flat out wrong regarding Canada. Canada has the tenth largest economy in the world and in 2009 only 2.9% of their national GDP was from energy exports (which includes not just oil but also electricity and nuclear fuel). The development of energy had absolutely nothing to do with Canada's economic troubles and their subsequent resolution of the same (note also that Alberta's energy sector began development around 1923 so it predates both Canada's economic troubles AND their correction of their economic problems).
If by economic shambles you're referring to Canada's fiscal troubles in the 90's it's important to know that the financial crisis was resolved by conservatives raising taxes and then their successor Liberal governments cutting spending (particularily military spending) to produce over a decade of budget surpluses. In other words it was done mainly by liberals governing responsibly as Katherine notes (though I do think conservatives get some credit as well).
I have great respect for your wit and commenting in general but I would strongly suggest that you keep your subject south of the 49th because in characterizing Canada as some kind of oil dependant petrostate you're making yourself look enormously foolish.
I think it's too early to guage if Santorum has had any effect. There are a lot of questions remaining:
-Will Santorum come out and endorse Romney?
-Will he campaign on his behalf?
-What role will Romney assign Santorum, a position in his administration? Veep? Nothing?
I don't think, however, that Mitt's election hinges on this, I'd say the jobs reports and gas prices may have a more direct impact. Heck, even the Supreme court on HCR probably could have a more direct effect.
I enjoyed it, though I think the Counter-factuator has a few screws loose. Even at the towering heights of their Bush-hatred Democrats would have alternated in their response to a healthcare reform proposal from the right between blinking incredulously and leaping to participate in the plan and drag it to the left. Lockstep filibustering and refusals to offer proposals? Hogwash! The left has been waiting a century for this discussion; they'd have been hyperventilating and offering policy laden proposals in exchange for their Senate and House votes like nerds pitching their scripts to Shatner at a Star Trek convention.
Tod, Nob, we have a serious problem here. We've lost the HappyAcres account (twice in fact, how does that work?), I think we may have to seriously re-appraise our editorial content.
It's a high minded line, I agree, and the heart is in the right place but I dunno; a jaded view of opponents motivations strikes me as the more practical one. O's last 4 years certainly strike me as outlining the limits of acting like your opponents have no bad intent when their actions suggest otherwise.
My parents said and did nothing about religion (either for or against) but we celebrated Easter and Christmas pretty traditionally. No hiding eggs, though, my siblings and I were a brutally pragmatic bunch; if we knew we needed to put in effort for an actual egg we wouldn’t have bothered. No, my parents would scatter the actual candy (chocolate eggs and jelly beans) about the house and then perform police action as two boys and a vicious little girl (no one threw an elbow like my sister) ran about collecting the bounty.
Then one year the bounty was very scarce… only a little bit of candy was about the house that morning all of it high up in difficult to reach locations. Everyone was pretty confused until we discovered our Jack Russell Terrier “Honey”(a more inaptly named dog I’ve never known) laying on her bed having been absent mindedly left off her leash that night. She was in a poor state, bloated and groaning, but the expression of pure schadenfreude laden glee on her canine face at my siblings dismay left no doubt in any of our minds that she regretted nothing. She recovered without intervention from a vet and visibly shuddered whenever she smelled candy from that time forward.
Considering that the US revenues and rates are at lows not seen since the fourties, Murali, I dare say anyone saying we're on that side of the cost curve has a heck of a lot of arguing and convincing to do.
In fairness Tom there's no surprise politically that Obama has no budget. It's filibustered if it's presented in the Senate and voted down in the House; unanimously of course, no one wants to vote for a failed budget (then you get blamed for the bad stuff in it AND tained by your association with failed legislation).
That's not to say Obama's been particularily couragous on the budget front. His budgets, as he proposes them, are blatantly geared towards not damaging the economic recovery according to conventional economic thought. He dodges unpleasant cuts and increases and generally is trying to just muddle along. Ryans' budget is a similar beast; just written to please righties instead of lefties.
Good on NRO, the Derb has always been their cantankerous Bob Cheeks equivalent (though I always considered Bob a charmer and really fun; I miss him). But I can't help but notice that only a few months after the League scolds Bob, NRO sends Derb to the corner. The League is now on the leading edge of conservative commentary! Awsome!
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On “Talking About The Talk”
You're too sharp for me Jim. Can't get anything over on you.
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You're both forgiven, though you'll be shocked to learn that Eastern Canadians don't say "Eh" that's an Ontarian thing. Though we have our own... unique... regional dialects (speaking with people from Newfoundland can be quite an experience my pretty bit o' cod).
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Ditto, I never had the talk. But then I was raised in eastern Canada so it's extremely white and extremely Canadian.
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Good job Jay.
On “The Internet is Awesome”
My stoney demenor remained merely bemused up until he used his "check" button on the fun passes. I'm not even that into math but it struck me as adorable. Real math-o-philes must have melted on the spot.
On “Eating Peas”
Well good, I'm glad we can speak with mutual respect.
I am not rich in time this afternoon so I had time for only a brief google-foo but I think that jobmonkey is monkeying with your numbers. The Globe and Mail was what I grabbed right quick but oil revenues aren't even on the federal budget. Accordingly my original objection pretty much stands. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/budget/article1488651.ece Canada's economy is a lot more than just a frosty bucket of oil.
That said, perhaps you and I (and Katherine) are talking past each other. What shambles are you referring to when you talk about Canada being rescued from a shambles by oil development and returning to it if the oil were to go away? You definitely have the advantage in years on me (and possibly Katherine). When she and I talk about Canadian crisis’s we're typically (and definitely in the case of this thread) talking about the economic and budgetary crisis in Canada in the 90's. That crisis was solved with responsible government policy: taxes raised, spending cut and budgets balanced. Yours is the first reference I've ever had of oil galloping to the rescue. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you? If so by all means illuminate away!
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Ward, that may be, but attributing the vast majority of Canada's economic output to that sector (let alone crediting that sector with single handedly rescuing and maintaining prosperity for the entire country) strikes me as betraying a willful ignorance of Canada's economy, their recent political and fiscal history. It's also somewhat insulting to essentially write the country off as a mere petro state. I'd add that there also is a kind of willful whistling past the graveyard here since it's patently obvious that the medicine Canada took in the 90's is pretty much perfectly applicable to the US's budget woes today.
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I sometimes wonder if he wasn't somewhat like the HW Bush of Canada. Loathed in his own time but looked back on as a sane conservative in hindsight.
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Well since by the reckoning of the 90's or even today Mulroney's administration would have been considered Centrist Democrats as measured by the US standard I don't think you were strictly wrong.
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No doubt they have Will. Canada has also benefitted from having an economy that is more free than that of the US. They've benefitted from having past (mostly Liberal) governments that paid down their debts and balanced their budgets. They've certainly benefitted from spending less on healthcare and also in getting good results from the money they've spent. They've also benefitted from having rather strictly leashed banks that (until the bust) were derided for being boring, staid and low profit; and now are considered the go to model for stable banking. There are a lot of components to the current economic oomph in Canada.
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Ward I haven't read through your link regarding Clinton but I can say with great confidence that you're flat out wrong regarding Canada. Canada has the tenth largest economy in the world and in 2009 only 2.9% of their national GDP was from energy exports (which includes not just oil but also electricity and nuclear fuel). The development of energy had absolutely nothing to do with Canada's economic troubles and their subsequent resolution of the same (note also that Alberta's energy sector began development around 1923 so it predates both Canada's economic troubles AND their correction of their economic problems).
If by economic shambles you're referring to Canada's fiscal troubles in the 90's it's important to know that the financial crisis was resolved by conservatives raising taxes and then their successor Liberal governments cutting spending (particularily military spending) to produce over a decade of budget surpluses. In other words it was done mainly by liberals governing responsibly as Katherine notes (though I do think conservatives get some credit as well).
I have great respect for your wit and commenting in general but I would strongly suggest that you keep your subject south of the 49th because in characterizing Canada as some kind of oil dependant petrostate you're making yourself look enormously foolish.
On “The Meaning Of Santorum”
Depends on what the state of his base is, though I agree that Santorum as Veep would be a sign of desperation.
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I think it's too early to guage if Santorum has had any effect. There are a lot of questions remaining:
-Will Santorum come out and endorse Romney?
-Will he campaign on his behalf?
-What role will Romney assign Santorum, a position in his administration? Veep? Nothing?
I don't think, however, that Mitt's election hinges on this, I'd say the jobs reports and gas prices may have a more direct impact. Heck, even the Supreme court on HCR probably could have a more direct effect.
On “A Peek Across the Political Multiverse”
Ah but this was pre-Obama. :P
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I enjoyed it, though I think the Counter-factuator has a few screws loose. Even at the towering heights of their Bush-hatred Democrats would have alternated in their response to a healthcare reform proposal from the right between blinking incredulously and leaping to participate in the plan and drag it to the left. Lockstep filibustering and refusals to offer proposals? Hogwash! The left has been waiting a century for this discussion; they'd have been hyperventilating and offering policy laden proposals in exchange for their Senate and House votes like nerds pitching their scripts to Shatner at a Star Trek convention.
On “Eating Peas”
Bartlette was read out of the conservative movement a while ago. He inhabits that grey limbo that Sullivan et all drift in.
On “Strawmen Tell No Tales: The Sophistry of Victor Davis Hanson”
Tod, Nob, we have a serious problem here. We've lost the HappyAcres account (twice in fact, how does that work?), I think we may have to seriously re-appraise our editorial content.
On “Eating Peas”
It's a high minded line, I agree, and the heart is in the right place but I dunno; a jaded view of opponents motivations strikes me as the more practical one. O's last 4 years certainly strike me as outlining the limits of acting like your opponents have no bad intent when their actions suggest otherwise.
On “My Two Cents (Worth only half a cent 10 years from now…)”
Correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't the "Deficits don't matter any more" line Cheney?
On “Happy Easter!”
My parents said and did nothing about religion (either for or against) but we celebrated Easter and Christmas pretty traditionally. No hiding eggs, though, my siblings and I were a brutally pragmatic bunch; if we knew we needed to put in effort for an actual egg we wouldn’t have bothered. No, my parents would scatter the actual candy (chocolate eggs and jelly beans) about the house and then perform police action as two boys and a vicious little girl (no one threw an elbow like my sister) ran about collecting the bounty.
Then one year the bounty was very scarce… only a little bit of candy was about the house that morning all of it high up in difficult to reach locations. Everyone was pretty confused until we discovered our Jack Russell Terrier “Honey”(a more inaptly named dog I’ve never known) laying on her bed having been absent mindedly left off her leash that night. She was in a poor state, bloated and groaning, but the expression of pure schadenfreude laden glee on her canine face at my siblings dismay left no doubt in any of our minds that she regretted nothing. She recovered without intervention from a vet and visibly shuddered whenever she smelled candy from that time forward.
On “Paul Ryan Strikes Again: The Reihan Salam Edition”
Considering that the US revenues and rates are at lows not seen since the fourties, Murali, I dare say anyone saying we're on that side of the cost curve has a heck of a lot of arguing and convincing to do.
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In fairness Tom there's no surprise politically that Obama has no budget. It's filibustered if it's presented in the Senate and voted down in the House; unanimously of course, no one wants to vote for a failed budget (then you get blamed for the bad stuff in it AND tained by your association with failed legislation).
That's not to say Obama's been particularily couragous on the budget front. His budgets, as he proposes them, are blatantly geared towards not damaging the economic recovery according to conventional economic thought. He dodges unpleasant cuts and increases and generally is trying to just muddle along. Ryans' budget is a similar beast; just written to please righties instead of lefties.
On “Can We At Least All Agree that John Derbyshire is Racist?”
He did go overboard. You tend to bring that out of people but that isn't any excuse for how he responded.
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And it's held up nicely, good on everyone.
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Good on NRO, the Derb has always been their cantankerous Bob Cheeks equivalent (though I always considered Bob a charmer and really fun; I miss him). But I can't help but notice that only a few months after the League scolds Bob, NRO sends Derb to the corner. The League is now on the leading edge of conservative commentary! Awsome!
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