Than why are they all for government promoting a brand of social conservatism that really limits the freedom of people? Why aren't they supportive of LGBT rights?
The picture used to illustrate this article is disturbing. Thats mainly because I can't tell if the boy with the controller, can't identify the system, is disappointed from getting his butt kicked in a game, being excluded from sex, or both.
ND, Marcotte is probably a fairly standard liberal on issues outside her beat. Her views inside her beat are mainstream liberal feminism despite what her critics say. I can't recall anytime she really went into the more theoretical and further leftist forms of feminism. Her views on other subjects are probably standard liberal as well.
I thought that the left-wing ideologues hated the Democratic Party as much as they hated the GOP? At least thats what their blogs tell me. They constantly refer to Obama as a sell-out or worse.
ND, I have been thinking about the dress issue and can understand why a person did not understand what semi-formal meant. Dressing up until very recently was essential for many ordinary events. Even if you wore overalls to work, you dressed up to go downtown. That and movies gave people a working knowledge of dress. Nothing these days do.
I do not necessarily want to stop the spread of revolutionary conduct. We can't impose our values or stability on the region by force,. It doesn't work and only causes more problems.
Re Jeff Goldberg, I think that the current events in Egypt were sadly foreseeable. More than a few commentators were right that the Arab Spring would quickly lead up to an Islamist Winter. Looking back, all the enthusiasm among liberals outside of the area involved a fair amount of projection about what we wanted the Middle East to be rather than actual analysis of the facts on the ground. Islamist governance, for all its faults and they are legion, is actually popular in Muslim-majority countries.
The best solution is to let the Islamists take over Muslim-majority countries and make a hash of things like they did in Iran. Nothing deflates the popularity of Islamism as actual Islamism put into practice. The second best solution is to allow the different forces in Muslim-majority countries fight among themselves until one achieves victory. In no case, should the United States or any other power intervene on one side or another besides trying to keep the conflict contained in a particular area rather than spread.
As a member of the group that is the victim of everyday conspiracy theories of the right and the left, I do not support the contention that grass roots groups purporting outlandish theories aren't dangerous. Its these grass roots groups that gotten millions of my people killed or harmed. These groups are dangerous and should be treated as such.
I'm not saying that there should be but there is a certain type of ridiculousness that comes from musicians my parents age or older acting like they are still in their twenties. The Rolling Stones are still a fine bad but there is something about them that doesn't seem quite adult in the way that traditional pop music, that is what we all the standards did. Traditional pop musicians aged well in a way that a lot of rock musicians did not when it comes live performances. You could see Frank Sinatra pull off his shtick as a young man and an old man. Mick Jager not so much.
Apple's goods have a bit more utility and durability to fall into the category of over-priced status goods. They might be hyped up a bit but I've fond that the Apple products I purchased can last for years if you treat them well.
Will, if you want to a society where people can marry younger than they want to and have more children than they want to than you have to make marriage and child-bearing and rearing more affordable. The NYT had an article that pointed out that child care for young children costs more than a year than public college in 35 states and DC. These include many of the most affordable states with low costs of living. The lack of affordable housing is another problem. If people are really serious about making marriage and childcare more widespread than they need to support things like universal pre-K and affordable housing.
The movie comment is interesting. I heard a similar statistic and there were plenty of B-movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood that were clearly the equivalent of the blockbusters of today. All those Flash Gordon serials, Westerns, and shlocky adventure movies. At the same time, there were also movies that were more aimed at an adult audience. These could be anything from gritty film noir films to Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals. There were also sentimental mantinee films aimed at the housewife set. Teenage boys might have been the prime audience but they did not have the market dominance that they do today.
If you luck at classic entertainment, the idea of a mother being hot was kind of an oxy moron. A mother might be beautiful or pretty but she was never depicted as strikingly sexy. Middle-aged mothers were almost universally depicted as matronly. This doesn't happen anymore. In entertainment, middle-aged moms with teenaged children are depicted as being as sexy as their kids. You need to have people who are actually senior citizens in order to get something that approaches matronly. A 45 year old woman in a movie from the 1930s to early 1960s would look a lot older than a 45 year old woman in a movie from today.
Men were treated somewhat differently but even than older male actors had an air of gravitas and seriousness that younger men did not. In those awful May-December romances that were popular in the post-WWII period, it was this that attracted the younger female to the older male or at least one of the things that did it.
As to Celine Dion, it prove my point. During the early and mid-20th century, nearly every adult was expected to switch towards adult entertainment unless the enterainment was specifically designated as being universal like spectator sports. The Baby Boomers for some reason felt no desire to graduate from rock, motown, or whatever to adult contemporary even though their parents and the silent generation made a similar transition.
What your basically saying is that Apple is intentionally branding itself as an upper-middle class or upper class good like luxury cars rather than something more affordable as a business strategy.
I go against government lawyers and hearings in immigartion courts are part endurance tests anyway. I don't want to tire my client out in case the government lawyer decides to do a long cross and some of my clients have been subjected to long and pointless cross-examinations.
I'm going to propose something rather radical. The entire idea that there should be sharp distinction between the cultural tastes of young people and adults is an artifact of early to mid-20th century mass entertainment. Without mass entertainment, a person's socio-economic class, gender, and some ethnic and religious factors determined whether a person had leisure time and how it was spent. Age was irrelevant for the most part. Young and old people of the same socio-economic class spent their free time in the same way.
Than mass entertainment came along during the late 19th and early 20th centuries and class distinctions in entertainment receded quite bit but weren't entirely displaced. Everybody listened to popular music, went to the movies or theatre, watched the same spectator sports, and enjoyed themselves at amusement parks, and read the same books. The new distinciton was age. Teenage boys might like B-movies and pulpy science fiction while there fathers might prefer a film noir and something racier or more literary in their readings. Girls might swoon to Frank Sinatra while their mothers would listen to Irving Berlin written standards. At first this dichtonomy between youth culture and adult culture grew stronger after WWII because of rock and the emergence of entertainment strictly aimed at prepubescent children.
Than when the first group of Baby Boomers reached their adulthood, they did not transition into what Rufus referred to as Babbitry because traditional pop culture aimed at adults largely disappeared. Traditional pop was weak even though there was an attempt to recreate it with adult contemporary music like Seline Dion or Michael Bolton. The movies prefered by adults gave way to block busters and teen comedies beasue they were bigger revenue earners. So now we are back where factors besides age determine one's cultural choices.
Mr. Blue, the Japanese began adding bits and pieces of Western culture to their society ever since the Meiji Restoration. Christmas and Valentine's Day became a big thing in Japan during the 1920s because Japanese business people saw it as a gold mine. Baseball was a mass spectator sport in Japan before WWII.
I'm pretty sure that the taste for Western weddings started after WWII and it wasn't probably in full flower till at least the 1970 or maybe even the 1980s.
The Christmas I spent in Japan during my junior year abroad was one of the loneliest times of my life. My parents and brother visited me but for the two weeks before that I was dying for contact.
Mr. Blue, the joke is that the Japanese are born Shinto, marry Christian, and die Buddhist.
Western-style weddings have pretty much replaced traditional Japanese style weddings in Japan decades ago for a variety of reasons. Besides the advertised fairy tale aspect, Japanese brides consider Western bridal gowns more beautiful and more importantly, more comfortable than the Japanese bridal kimono. Another reason is social. Its my understanding that in a traditional Japanese wedding only the immediate family of the bride and groom could and would attend the ceremony. Most of the guests would just show up at the reception afterwards. In a Western wedding ceremony, the guests can actually attend. Maybe Nob could correct me on this.
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Than why are they all for government promoting a brand of social conservatism that really limits the freedom of people? Why aren't they supportive of LGBT rights?
On “Sex-ed, Lies, & Protection”
I suppose if you consider voyeurs to be legitimate participants in a menage-a-trois.
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The picture used to illustrate this article is disturbing. Thats mainly because I can't tell if the boy with the controller, can't identify the system, is disappointed from getting his butt kicked in a game, being excluded from sex, or both.
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ND, Marcotte is probably a fairly standard liberal on issues outside her beat. Her views inside her beat are mainstream liberal feminism despite what her critics say. I can't recall anytime she really went into the more theoretical and further leftist forms of feminism. Her views on other subjects are probably standard liberal as well.
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I thought that the left-wing ideologues hated the Democratic Party as much as they hated the GOP? At least thats what their blogs tell me. They constantly refer to Obama as a sell-out or worse.
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Glyph, there is a Jewish joke that a middle aged Jewish man with both parents alive is a boy and remains so till they die.
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ND, I have been thinking about the dress issue and can understand why a person did not understand what semi-formal meant. Dressing up until very recently was essential for many ordinary events. Even if you wore overalls to work, you dressed up to go downtown. That and movies gave people a working knowledge of dress. Nothing these days do.
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I do not necessarily want to stop the spread of revolutionary conduct. We can't impose our values or stability on the region by force,. It doesn't work and only causes more problems.
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ND, its because Hollywood movies no longer teach people how to dress for the occassion. ;).
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Re Jeff Goldberg, I think that the current events in Egypt were sadly foreseeable. More than a few commentators were right that the Arab Spring would quickly lead up to an Islamist Winter. Looking back, all the enthusiasm among liberals outside of the area involved a fair amount of projection about what we wanted the Middle East to be rather than actual analysis of the facts on the ground. Islamist governance, for all its faults and they are legion, is actually popular in Muslim-majority countries.
The best solution is to let the Islamists take over Muslim-majority countries and make a hash of things like they did in Iran. Nothing deflates the popularity of Islamism as actual Islamism put into practice. The second best solution is to allow the different forces in Muslim-majority countries fight among themselves until one achieves victory. In no case, should the United States or any other power intervene on one side or another besides trying to keep the conflict contained in a particular area rather than spread.
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As a member of the group that is the victim of everyday conspiracy theories of the right and the left, I do not support the contention that grass roots groups purporting outlandish theories aren't dangerous. Its these grass roots groups that gotten millions of my people killed or harmed. These groups are dangerous and should be treated as such.
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I'm not saying that there should be but there is a certain type of ridiculousness that comes from musicians my parents age or older acting like they are still in their twenties. The Rolling Stones are still a fine bad but there is something about them that doesn't seem quite adult in the way that traditional pop music, that is what we all the standards did. Traditional pop musicians aged well in a way that a lot of rock musicians did not when it comes live performances. You could see Frank Sinatra pull off his shtick as a young man and an old man. Mick Jager not so much.
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Oh dear, thats a bit much too materialistic for my ethics.
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Apple's goods have a bit more utility and durability to fall into the category of over-priced status goods. They might be hyped up a bit but I've fond that the Apple products I purchased can last for years if you treat them well.
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Will, if you want to a society where people can marry younger than they want to and have more children than they want to than you have to make marriage and child-bearing and rearing more affordable. The NYT had an article that pointed out that child care for young children costs more than a year than public college in 35 states and DC. These include many of the most affordable states with low costs of living. The lack of affordable housing is another problem. If people are really serious about making marriage and childcare more widespread than they need to support things like universal pre-K and affordable housing.
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The movie comment is interesting. I heard a similar statistic and there were plenty of B-movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood that were clearly the equivalent of the blockbusters of today. All those Flash Gordon serials, Westerns, and shlocky adventure movies. At the same time, there were also movies that were more aimed at an adult audience. These could be anything from gritty film noir films to Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals. There were also sentimental mantinee films aimed at the housewife set. Teenage boys might have been the prime audience but they did not have the market dominance that they do today.
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If you luck at classic entertainment, the idea of a mother being hot was kind of an oxy moron. A mother might be beautiful or pretty but she was never depicted as strikingly sexy. Middle-aged mothers were almost universally depicted as matronly. This doesn't happen anymore. In entertainment, middle-aged moms with teenaged children are depicted as being as sexy as their kids. You need to have people who are actually senior citizens in order to get something that approaches matronly. A 45 year old woman in a movie from the 1930s to early 1960s would look a lot older than a 45 year old woman in a movie from today.
Men were treated somewhat differently but even than older male actors had an air of gravitas and seriousness that younger men did not. In those awful May-December romances that were popular in the post-WWII period, it was this that attracted the younger female to the older male or at least one of the things that did it.
As to Celine Dion, it prove my point. During the early and mid-20th century, nearly every adult was expected to switch towards adult entertainment unless the enterainment was specifically designated as being universal like spectator sports. The Baby Boomers for some reason felt no desire to graduate from rock, motown, or whatever to adult contemporary even though their parents and the silent generation made a similar transition.
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What your basically saying is that Apple is intentionally branding itself as an upper-middle class or upper class good like luxury cars rather than something more affordable as a business strategy.
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I go against government lawyers and hearings in immigartion courts are part endurance tests anyway. I don't want to tire my client out in case the government lawyer decides to do a long cross and some of my clients have been subjected to long and pointless cross-examinations.
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I'm going to propose something rather radical. The entire idea that there should be sharp distinction between the cultural tastes of young people and adults is an artifact of early to mid-20th century mass entertainment. Without mass entertainment, a person's socio-economic class, gender, and some ethnic and religious factors determined whether a person had leisure time and how it was spent. Age was irrelevant for the most part. Young and old people of the same socio-economic class spent their free time in the same way.
Than mass entertainment came along during the late 19th and early 20th centuries and class distinctions in entertainment receded quite bit but weren't entirely displaced. Everybody listened to popular music, went to the movies or theatre, watched the same spectator sports, and enjoyed themselves at amusement parks, and read the same books. The new distinciton was age. Teenage boys might like B-movies and pulpy science fiction while there fathers might prefer a film noir and something racier or more literary in their readings. Girls might swoon to Frank Sinatra while their mothers would listen to Irving Berlin written standards. At first this dichtonomy between youth culture and adult culture grew stronger after WWII because of rock and the emergence of entertainment strictly aimed at prepubescent children.
Than when the first group of Baby Boomers reached their adulthood, they did not transition into what Rufus referred to as Babbitry because traditional pop culture aimed at adults largely disappeared. Traditional pop was weak even though there was an attempt to recreate it with adult contemporary music like Seline Dion or Michael Bolton. The movies prefered by adults gave way to block busters and teen comedies beasue they were bigger revenue earners. So now we are back where factors besides age determine one's cultural choices.
I'm not sure if this make sense or not.
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I am entirely without superstition. My belief in the short direct examination is nothing more than proven scientific, legal fact.
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Mr. Blue, the Japanese began adding bits and pieces of Western culture to their society ever since the Meiji Restoration. Christmas and Valentine's Day became a big thing in Japan during the 1920s because Japanese business people saw it as a gold mine. Baseball was a mass spectator sport in Japan before WWII.
I'm pretty sure that the taste for Western weddings started after WWII and it wasn't probably in full flower till at least the 1970 or maybe even the 1980s.
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You should be careful with that, its such a common fantasy/fetish that you would be dead before you know it.
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The Christmas I spent in Japan during my junior year abroad was one of the loneliest times of my life. My parents and brother visited me but for the two weeks before that I was dying for contact.
"
Mr. Blue, the joke is that the Japanese are born Shinto, marry Christian, and die Buddhist.
Western-style weddings have pretty much replaced traditional Japanese style weddings in Japan decades ago for a variety of reasons. Besides the advertised fairy tale aspect, Japanese brides consider Western bridal gowns more beautiful and more importantly, more comfortable than the Japanese bridal kimono. Another reason is social. Its my understanding that in a traditional Japanese wedding only the immediate family of the bride and groom could and would attend the ceremony. Most of the guests would just show up at the reception afterwards. In a Western wedding ceremony, the guests can actually attend. Maybe Nob could correct me on this.
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