So the wrinkle is that Hunter is claiming he didn't get dough for it at all. The link I put up shows that the money went to a company called "Rosemont Seneca Thornton" but
"Hunter Biden was a co-founder and CEO of the investment firm Rosemont Seneca Advisors. But Mesires said Hunter Biden did not co-found Rosemont Seneca Thornton. It’s not clear what connection exists between Rosemont Seneca Advisors and Rosemont Seneca Thornton."
So, as usual, a big steaming incoherent mess that right wingers think is the biggest corruption since Iran Contra and left wingers think is a whole lot of nothing. But I agree the optics are crap.
The graveyards are full of mentally unstable people who ate a bullet because of the weather or because they didn't like their sandwich, let alone offing themselves because their surviving parent stopped talking to them.
That an anonymous politician had a trashy son who traded on his Fathers last name? That said son scammed people into giving him money thinking he could get them political favors from his Father and he then delivered nothing?
I'd think said anonymous politician had a really shitty son and that some skeezy people got ripped off.
I had to go hunting for the peron you're referring to. My google fu turned up a fact check wherein the GOP claims this lady gave a bunch of dough to Hunter and Hunter denies it.
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_e879bcfe-4b2a-4b4a-a823-8c6d512c4e5e
But what meeting are you referring to? With who? I'm assuming the meeting must be how Joe Biden gets roped into this scheme somehow?
Edit: Ok, I dug into the right-o-sphere a bit and Joe Biden showed up as Veep and talked about the weather at a dinner where they were present?
Not at all. The only way for Joe to prevent Hunter from ambushing him with extra people would have been to stop taking Hunters' social calls. That would have been the "cut him off" I'm referring to. And, as has been very extensively reported on, Hunter was a flaming trainwreck of a person and Joe Biden was very very worried that his only remaining living son was in danger of ending up dead from his own horrible decisions and demons.
Me? If I were somehow controlling Joe Biden at the time I'd have embarrassed Hunter in front of his cronies when he called me and then likely stopped taking his calls. I also would have cared, not even one fig, if Hunter had blown his brains out. Joe Biden cares for Hunter Biden a lot- I don't. Joe Biden is a far more caring and loving individual than I am.
But I don't think Joe Biden loving his son is an ethical failing, or a moral failing and it sure as heck isn't a legal or moral problem for Joe Biden being President of the United States.
But get in contact with Cocaine Mitch, DJT and Speaker McCarthy because they could really use some concrete evidence that it wasn't a con and if you've got it and they'd surely pay good money for it. You and Maribou could get a second home in the Twin Cities and we could hang out and play board games!
I am far from an expert in trans matters but just so I'm clear here, your position is that health authorities in not just the UK but also Finland, Sweden and the Netherlands all have moderated their positions on affirmative care for minors somewhat due to malign influence from UK TERFs?
So I'm clear you're referring to one of the people Hunter conned giving him a big bucket of money? I'd say it's both horribly unethical, immoral and looks absolutely terrible... ... ... for Hunter Biden.
You and I agree the optics are awful. If I could project myself back into Joe's Body for the event I'd do what you suggested or WORSE but I also wouldn't give a damn if Hunter had fed himself a bullet up through the roof of his mouth while feeling low from having his Dad cut him off. Joe Biden, on the other hand, was extremely worried that if he cut his failson off that he'd shortly be a deadson and Joe Biden loves his son even though he's a wreck of a human being.
But ethically I think Joe Bidens' actual response, while not perfect, was nothing even approaching unethical.
"I can get my Dad to answer my calls"... is on the same level as "My mother thinks I'm cool."
You and I continue to agree this looks awful for Hunter and makes Hunter look like an abusive crooked douche. I still don't think it looks problematic for Joe Biden.
I have seen no indication that Biden or his admin took any action to "conceal" that he took Hunters calls and sometimes got ambushed by Hunters associated in said calls. I agree they'd probably like to be able to honestly say that Joe never even spoke to Hunter or his skeezy friends- but they haven't ever said that.
Do you think Joe Biden was behaving immorally or in an ethically grey zone when he accepted phone calls from his unstable failson and then, when he found himself ambushed with his failson’s associates on speaker phone, spoke about the weather and similar pleasantries with them? I believe Joe was not behaving immorally or unethically when he did this- what do you think?
Indeed, and getting ambushed in a call and then talking about the weather with said people continues to meet the definition of not being involved in his son's business dealings. Note that the witness -explicitly- said that no business was discussed what so ever- merely empty pleasantries.
Do you think Joe Biden was behaving immorally or in an ethically grey zone when he accepted phone calls from his unstable failson and then, when he found himself ambushed with his failson's associates on speaker phone, spoke about the weather and similar pleasantries with them?
I never said you indicated it's illegal. I'm questioning your narrative that people were saying that Biden "spoke to Hunter's business partners" was a conspiracy theory. I've seen people saying the idea that Biden was participating in Hunters' schemes is an evidenceless conspiracy theory (and it remains such to this day). But simply that Biden never spoke to anyone Hunter scammed? That seems a reach.
And I will ask you specifically. We now know Hunter would call Joe Biden up and have other people around him and inform Joe after he picked up the call, that said people were present at which point he'd put Joe on speaker and Joe would then talk to them about the weather and such. You and I agree that is not illegal. I would allege that what Hunter did was abusive and skeezy but that what Joe did was both legal and also not at all morally dubious. I'm curious, do you think otherwise?
"Do you sometimes wonder if that distinction would pack more of a punch if it weren’t a conspiracy theory a couple of days ago?"
For your statement to be anything other than a shockingly (and uncharacteristically) republican level of spin you would need to demonstrate either that this story demonstrates that President Joe Biden is directly implicated in participating in and benefiting from his failsons' activities back when Hunter was out conning businesses and governments by (falsely) claiming to have access or else you'd have to find past examples of the Dems and media figures saying that Hunter Biden did nothing skeezy but technically legal and that Hunter Biden is pure as the driven snow.
But it's not just Britain, there's a big re-think and moderation going on across the EU on Trans matters. While I agree with you that the Identarian left is more salient only in the minds of the online and Republicans it remains a huge axis of right wing talking points. The more the subject cools down the worse it is for the right and it's already proven to be a high heat, little light subject for them.
I found this Atlantic article quite interesting in that it seems to provide another data point that suggests that the more militant and revolutionary elements of the identarian left are ebbing (while liberals in general have embraced the stronger parts of its advocacy wholesale).
I hear you, I'm 100% remote and still pinch myself and wonder if I'm not dreaming. I can only assume that at some point there'll be a retrenching but I also think employers are dreaming if they think they can stuff the remote work genie back into the bottle- certainly not as long as the labor market remains tight.
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Thanks for the insight.
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Yeah thanks.
So the wrinkle is that Hunter is claiming he didn't get dough for it at all. The link I put up shows that the money went to a company called "Rosemont Seneca Thornton" but
"Hunter Biden was a co-founder and CEO of the investment firm Rosemont Seneca Advisors. But Mesires said Hunter Biden did not co-found Rosemont Seneca Thornton. It’s not clear what connection exists between Rosemont Seneca Advisors and Rosemont Seneca Thornton."
So, as usual, a big steaming incoherent mess that right wingers think is the biggest corruption since Iran Contra and left wingers think is a whole lot of nothing. But I agree the optics are crap.
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The graveyards are full of mentally unstable people who ate a bullet because of the weather or because they didn't like their sandwich, let alone offing themselves because their surviving parent stopped talking to them.
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That an anonymous politician had a trashy son who traded on his Fathers last name? That said son scammed people into giving him money thinking he could get them political favors from his Father and he then delivered nothing?
I'd think said anonymous politician had a really shitty son and that some skeezy people got ripped off.
"
I had to go hunting for the peron you're referring to. My google fu turned up a fact check wherein the GOP claims this lady gave a bunch of dough to Hunter and Hunter denies it.
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_e879bcfe-4b2a-4b4a-a823-8c6d512c4e5e
But what meeting are you referring to? With who? I'm assuming the meeting must be how Joe Biden gets roped into this scheme somehow?
Edit: Ok, I dug into the right-o-sphere a bit and Joe Biden showed up as Veep and talked about the weather at a dinner where they were present?
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Not at all. The only way for Joe to prevent Hunter from ambushing him with extra people would have been to stop taking Hunters' social calls. That would have been the "cut him off" I'm referring to. And, as has been very extensively reported on, Hunter was a flaming trainwreck of a person and Joe Biden was very very worried that his only remaining living son was in danger of ending up dead from his own horrible decisions and demons.
Me? If I were somehow controlling Joe Biden at the time I'd have embarrassed Hunter in front of his cronies when he called me and then likely stopped taking his calls. I also would have cared, not even one fig, if Hunter had blown his brains out. Joe Biden cares for Hunter Biden a lot- I don't. Joe Biden is a far more caring and loving individual than I am.
But I don't think Joe Biden loving his son is an ethical failing, or a moral failing and it sure as heck isn't a legal or moral problem for Joe Biden being President of the United States.
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Will fish, Jay, tell me how it isn't a con!
But get in contact with Cocaine Mitch, DJT and Speaker McCarthy because they could really use some concrete evidence that it wasn't a con and if you've got it and they'd surely pay good money for it. You and Maribou could get a second home in the Twin Cities and we could hang out and play board games!
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I am far from an expert in trans matters but just so I'm clear here, your position is that health authorities in not just the UK but also Finland, Sweden and the Netherlands all have moderated their positions on affirmative care for minors somewhat due to malign influence from UK TERFs?
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Jay and I go way back, he's a good fellow.
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So I'm clear you're referring to one of the people Hunter conned giving him a big bucket of money? I'd say it's both horribly unethical, immoral and looks absolutely terrible... ... ... for Hunter Biden.
Man I'm glad Hunter isn't the President.
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You and I agree the optics are awful. If I could project myself back into Joe's Body for the event I'd do what you suggested or WORSE but I also wouldn't give a damn if Hunter had fed himself a bullet up through the roof of his mouth while feeling low from having his Dad cut him off. Joe Biden, on the other hand, was extremely worried that if he cut his failson off that he'd shortly be a deadson and Joe Biden loves his son even though he's a wreck of a human being.
But ethically I think Joe Bidens' actual response, while not perfect, was nothing even approaching unethical.
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Only, of course, in this case the termination of said prosecutor was horrible news for the company in question.
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"I can get my Dad to answer my calls"... is on the same level as "My mother thinks I'm cool."
You and I continue to agree this looks awful for Hunter and makes Hunter look like an abusive crooked douche. I still don't think it looks problematic for Joe Biden.
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We already agreed it's not illegal Jay.
I have seen no indication that Biden or his admin took any action to "conceal" that he took Hunters calls and sometimes got ambushed by Hunters associated in said calls. I agree they'd probably like to be able to honestly say that Joe never even spoke to Hunter or his skeezy friends- but they haven't ever said that.
Do you think Joe Biden was behaving immorally or in an ethically grey zone when he accepted phone calls from his unstable failson and then, when he found himself ambushed with his failson’s associates on speaker phone, spoke about the weather and similar pleasantries with them? I believe Joe was not behaving immorally or unethically when he did this- what do you think?
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Yes.
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Indeed, and getting ambushed in a call and then talking about the weather with said people continues to meet the definition of not being involved in his son's business dealings. Note that the witness -explicitly- said that no business was discussed what so ever- merely empty pleasantries.
Do you think Joe Biden was behaving immorally or in an ethically grey zone when he accepted phone calls from his unstable failson and then, when he found himself ambushed with his failson's associates on speaker phone, spoke about the weather and similar pleasantries with them?
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Yes.
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I never said you indicated it's illegal. I'm questioning your narrative that people were saying that Biden "spoke to Hunter's business partners" was a conspiracy theory. I've seen people saying the idea that Biden was participating in Hunters' schemes is an evidenceless conspiracy theory (and it remains such to this day). But simply that Biden never spoke to anyone Hunter scammed? That seems a reach.
And I will ask you specifically. We now know Hunter would call Joe Biden up and have other people around him and inform Joe after he picked up the call, that said people were present at which point he'd put Joe on speaker and Joe would then talk to them about the weather and such. You and I agree that is not illegal. I would allege that what Hunter did was abusive and skeezy but that what Joe did was both legal and also not at all morally dubious. I'm curious, do you think otherwise?
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"Do you sometimes wonder if that distinction would pack more of a punch if it weren’t a conspiracy theory a couple of days ago?"
For your statement to be anything other than a shockingly (and uncharacteristically) republican level of spin you would need to demonstrate either that this story demonstrates that President Joe Biden is directly implicated in participating in and benefiting from his failsons' activities back when Hunter was out conning businesses and governments by (falsely) claiming to have access or else you'd have to find past examples of the Dems and media figures saying that Hunter Biden did nothing skeezy but technically legal and that Hunter Biden is pure as the driven snow.
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Well done.
On “Open Mic for the week of 8/7/2023”
Delicious!
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But it's not just Britain, there's a big re-think and moderation going on across the EU on Trans matters. While I agree with you that the Identarian left is more salient only in the minds of the online and Republicans it remains a huge axis of right wing talking points. The more the subject cools down the worse it is for the right and it's already proven to be a high heat, little light subject for them.
On “Bottoms Up!”
Hopefully he's just hung over and not blind.
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https://archive.ph/Nsdbc
I found this Atlantic article quite interesting in that it seems to provide another data point that suggests that the more militant and revolutionary elements of the identarian left are ebbing (while liberals in general have embraced the stronger parts of its advocacy wholesale).
On “Zoom To End Full Time Work From Home. No, Seriously”
I hear you, I'm 100% remote and still pinch myself and wonder if I'm not dreaming. I can only assume that at some point there'll be a retrenching but I also think employers are dreaming if they think they can stuff the remote work genie back into the bottle- certainly not as long as the labor market remains tight.