Agreed on the twist... most have focused on how it reflects on us, the chorus if you will, my only thought was what it revealed about the perpetrator; that and his final act. I almost think the show starts with those two things. But I agree that that is where lies the mystery.
@stillwater I find it interesting that you thought the show illustrated how incapable our explanatory frameworks are when accounting for human behaviors. :-)
I found the show utterly predictable and not an ounce of tension in whether he would do it. Quite possibly, I am more experienced in the inevitable outcomes of stupid dorm-games.
I certainly appreciate the social commentary on us as bystanders... I thought it well done. But as I say, the only real question - In my mind - is whether something larger than prurience is under the microscope.
But my categorizing this is not political despite my use of the term liberal. My question is whether the show itself rises to the level of, well, art.
That is the question I kept asking myself watching the clock tick down. I'm gratified that they provided an clean answer... but isn't that the point we should all be looking at?
Otherwise the fascination is just that this is a brilliant mash-up of three dorm-room favorites: who-would-you-do combined with would you do "x" for $1 combined with 24, the series. And, as any 18-yr old learns, the only way to win is not to play at all (to borrow a phrase).
I thought the most interesting line in the episode was in the voice-over at the end:
'Vg jnf bar lrne ntb gung gur Gheare Cevmr-jvaavat negvfg, 'Pneygba Oybbz, 'pbreprq gur Cevzr Zvavfgre vagb pbzzvggvat na vaqrprag npg.
'Nf gur naavirefnel neevirq, bar neg pevgvp pnhfrq pbagebirefl 'ol qrfpevovat vg nf "gur svefg terng negjbex bs gur 21fg praghel".
The answer to that controversy, for me at least, would help me determine whether this is a show of subversive satire aimed at the dominant little "L" liberal establishment, or a dorm-room conundrum procedural. On the strength and potential of the first episode I watched the second, and am still pondering.
@mike-schilling I think you are being a bit melancholic here... I think there would have been an extremely good chance he'd have made the HOF on the first ballot even retiring in '99/'00 with those numbers.
But, we don't have to assume he retires at age 34, just that his performance declines in relative proportion to his age. In fact, his 2006/7 years are probably the sort of years we would have seen (at a minimum). Excellent production in the range of OPS .900, OPS+ 160 and WAR 4.0... All-star caliber seasons, easily enough to permanently solidify his position as among the best of the best - ever.
Yes, I don' t suffer from your angst. There's very clear evidence that taking a specific set of substances categorically changed one's capabilities from journeyman to superman. It is the exact opposite of "getting an edge." So I do believe that one can make rational and prudential assessments on these things, and that the game largely has... and the evidence is pretty clear that we have returned to a more natural curve in the evolution of the game.
I think your equivocation is a category error against what the actual infraction is/was.
Yeah... I'm strongly anti-PED, but as you say both Bonds and Clemens would make it just on the portions of their careers when they weren't (as far as we can guess) juicing. If I could vote them in, but invalidate their counting stats as records, I'd do that.
Bagwell and Piazza I'm not convinced there was ever a time they weren't juicing... but then, no conclusive evidence they were... so I'd give them a pass. Looking back on the era, there were so many weird injuries that seemed to pop out of nowhere to end careers... and such shocking turns of fortune, I just can't separate performance from enhancement. Anything from '93-'03 is just unreliable.
Its not a "morality" thing for me... I think Rose should be in the hall. He might be banned from Managing or Coaching and/or not eligible for certain positions where he might influence the direction of a game... but HOF, yep. PEDs are a fundamental violation against weights and measures... and thus make one ineligible for the HOF which is based upon information determined by evenly calibrated weights and measures. It's not a DEA infraction but a NIST infraction.
Schilling has surprisingly good counting stats when you add them all up... he probably needed one more milestone stat other than 3000k to have been a real contender. Probably destined to the Hall of Really-Good.
What is the revenue impact? Is there any? The article doesn't put dollars to citations. from the chart, it appears they are short approx 24,000 (revenue generating) citations for this period (excluding criminal arrests). Just wondering if the goal isn't to show how NYC is ungovernable without NYPD, but to remind the Politicians that they contribute to the coffers. (Or perhaps not).
Wow, no one will get #5. I read those books years ago and enjoyed them... but no way someone remembers the quote, book or the person saying it without google. J'accuse.
20. Julia Flyte, Waugh, Brideshead Revisited (her brother)
Acutally, Aloysius got that one... I thought it was Bridey; he's always going on about things like that, and, for just a moment, I'd thought he'd come to his senses about Beryl.
"God Knows" is a book I like for it being Heller struggling with the ancient question of Theodicy...except that I found his struggle, alas, to be sophomoric and not as insightful as I might have hoped. I might even like it more than Catch-22, which in my darker moments I think might have been pinched from Waugh's "Sword of Honour" series. I'm a sucker for religious re-imaginings, though...
Yeah, I'll have to go back and read it again to see if it holds-up as well as I remember. But how could you go wrong with politico-economic ruminations of Heller contemplating Rembrandt contemplating Aristotle contemplating the bust of Homer?
I haven't noticed any sub-optimal issues with Dulles Airtrain, unless by sub-optimal you mean ascending from Khazad-dum-like depths? I hate Hartsfield for the sole reason that while the train works fine, the airport has seen fit never to put connecting flights from the same carrier in the same terminal. ever. in ever.
I don't commute, so I don't really care about the silver line as a tool for commuters... I just want a way to ditch my car when I go into the city. It takes me 45-min from Vienna anyway (if I could still use it), so not a big deal.
Dang, I keep missing the Heller quotations and that's too bad as I rather like Heller - though I might be a minority of one who prefers "Picture This" to "Catch-22"
I fly out of both, but greatly prefer Dulles on account of the car. Dulles is much better as a destination airport compared Regan... easier to get to, easier to park, easier to navigate.
That said, Dulles suffers from a single security choke point - at times it seems like all 20M annual fliers are ahead of you when you are late - Regan by comparison has distributed security and is usually a breeze. Proof for all time the benefits of decentralization.
Some of you need to update your Dulles prejudices... the mobile lounges are gone (except for gate D... why do they hate gate D?), and the silver line will connect Dulles to the Metro in 2018 (or thereabouts).
I'm looking forward to the Metro for the opposite reason... I can't use the metro ever since they closed to outdoor parking at Vienna; but once the Silver line reaches Dulles, there will be parking and an internal infrastructure at Dulles to use the Silver to DC. Another example where Busses theoretically work, but in practice don't really.
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Agreed on the twist... most have focused on how it reflects on us, the chorus if you will, my only thought was what it revealed about the perpetrator; that and his final act. I almost think the show starts with those two things. But I agree that that is where lies the mystery.
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@stillwater I find it interesting that you thought the show illustrated how incapable our explanatory frameworks are when accounting for human behaviors. :-)
I found the show utterly predictable and not an ounce of tension in whether he would do it. Quite possibly, I am more experienced in the inevitable outcomes of stupid dorm-games.
I certainly appreciate the social commentary on us as bystanders... I thought it well done. But as I say, the only real question - In my mind - is whether something larger than prurience is under the microscope.
But my categorizing this is not political despite my use of the term liberal. My question is whether the show itself rises to the level of, well, art.
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But why?
That is the question I kept asking myself watching the clock tick down. I'm gratified that they provided an clean answer... but isn't that the point we should all be looking at?
Otherwise the fascination is just that this is a brilliant mash-up of three dorm-room favorites: who-would-you-do combined with would you do "x" for $1 combined with 24, the series. And, as any 18-yr old learns, the only way to win is not to play at all (to borrow a phrase).
I thought the most interesting line in the episode was in the voice-over at the end:
'Vg jnf bar lrne ntb gung gur Gheare Cevmr-jvaavat negvfg, 'Pneygba Oybbz, 'pbreprq gur Cevzr Zvavfgre vagb pbzzvggvat na vaqrprag npg.
'Nf gur naavirefnel neevirq, bar neg pevgvp pnhfrq pbagebirefl 'ol qrfpevovat vg nf "gur svefg terng negjbex bs gur 21fg praghel".
The answer to that controversy, for me at least, would help me determine whether this is a show of subversive satire aimed at the dominant little "L" liberal establishment, or a dorm-room conundrum procedural. On the strength and potential of the first episode I watched the second, and am still pondering.
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I know, right?!
"Ready to Take a Chance Again" would have been soooo much better.
That would have been real diplomacy - could apply to many different angles. Which you? What kind of Chance? Again?
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@mike-schilling I think you are being a bit melancholic here... I think there would have been an extremely good chance he'd have made the HOF on the first ballot even retiring in '99/'00 with those numbers.
But, we don't have to assume he retires at age 34, just that his performance declines in relative proportion to his age. In fact, his 2006/7 years are probably the sort of years we would have seen (at a minimum). Excellent production in the range of OPS .900, OPS+ 160 and WAR 4.0... All-star caliber seasons, easily enough to permanently solidify his position as among the best of the best - ever.
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Well, then, if that is the source of your anxiety, you may vote for them with a clear conscience.
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Yes, I don' t suffer from your angst. There's very clear evidence that taking a specific set of substances categorically changed one's capabilities from journeyman to superman. It is the exact opposite of "getting an edge." So I do believe that one can make rational and prudential assessments on these things, and that the game largely has... and the evidence is pretty clear that we have returned to a more natural curve in the evolution of the game.
I think your equivocation is a category error against what the actual infraction is/was.
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Yeah... I'm strongly anti-PED, but as you say both Bonds and Clemens would make it just on the portions of their careers when they weren't (as far as we can guess) juicing. If I could vote them in, but invalidate their counting stats as records, I'd do that.
Bagwell and Piazza I'm not convinced there was ever a time they weren't juicing... but then, no conclusive evidence they were... so I'd give them a pass. Looking back on the era, there were so many weird injuries that seemed to pop out of nowhere to end careers... and such shocking turns of fortune, I just can't separate performance from enhancement. Anything from '93-'03 is just unreliable.
Its not a "morality" thing for me... I think Rose should be in the hall. He might be banned from Managing or Coaching and/or not eligible for certain positions where he might influence the direction of a game... but HOF, yep. PEDs are a fundamental violation against weights and measures... and thus make one ineligible for the HOF which is based upon information determined by evenly calibrated weights and measures. It's not a DEA infraction but a NIST infraction.
Schilling has surprisingly good counting stats when you add them all up... he probably needed one more milestone stat other than 3000k to have been a real contender. Probably destined to the Hall of Really-Good.
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What is the revenue impact? Is there any? The article doesn't put dollars to citations. from the chart, it appears they are short approx 24,000 (revenue generating) citations for this period (excluding criminal arrests). Just wondering if the goal isn't to show how NYC is ungovernable without NYPD, but to remind the Politicians that they contribute to the coffers. (Or perhaps not).
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Intentionally, anyway.
(What? It worked for Schilling).
On “Quotes!”
Well, this series has also been revisited by the author after a long hiatus too.
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Wow, no one will get #5. I read those books years ago and enjoyed them... but no way someone remembers the quote, book or the person saying it without google. J'accuse.
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Psmith.
I can't help... I looked.
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20. Julia Flyte, Waugh, Brideshead Revisited (her brother)
Acutally, Aloysius got that one... I thought it was Bridey; he's always going on about things like that, and, for just a moment, I'd thought he'd come to his senses about Beryl.
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"God Knows" is a book I like for it being Heller struggling with the ancient question of Theodicy...except that I found his struggle, alas, to be sophomoric and not as insightful as I might have hoped. I might even like it more than Catch-22, which in my darker moments I think might have been pinched from Waugh's "Sword of Honour" series. I'm a sucker for religious re-imaginings, though...
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Yeah, I'll have to go back and read it again to see if it holds-up as well as I remember. But how could you go wrong with politico-economic ruminations of Heller contemplating Rembrandt contemplating Aristotle contemplating the bust of Homer?
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I haven't noticed any sub-optimal issues with Dulles Airtrain, unless by sub-optimal you mean ascending from Khazad-dum-like depths? I hate Hartsfield for the sole reason that while the train works fine, the airport has seen fit never to put connecting flights from the same carrier in the same terminal. ever. in ever.
I don't commute, so I don't really care about the silver line as a tool for commuters... I just want a way to ditch my car when I go into the city. It takes me 45-min from Vienna anyway (if I could still use it), so not a big deal.
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I said Stick, not Schtick... :-)
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Dang, I keep missing the Heller quotations and that's too bad as I rather like Heller - though I might be a minority of one who prefers "Picture This" to "Catch-22"
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The only airport I know named after a man who could use a stick like that is the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe, PA
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I fly out of both, but greatly prefer Dulles on account of the car. Dulles is much better as a destination airport compared Regan... easier to get to, easier to park, easier to navigate.
That said, Dulles suffers from a single security choke point - at times it seems like all 20M annual fliers are ahead of you when you are late - Regan by comparison has distributed security and is usually a breeze. Proof for all time the benefits of decentralization.
Some of you need to update your Dulles prejudices... the mobile lounges are gone (except for gate D... why do they hate gate D?), and the silver line will connect Dulles to the Metro in 2018 (or thereabouts).
I'm looking forward to the Metro for the opposite reason... I can't use the metro ever since they closed to outdoor parking at Vienna; but once the Silver line reaches Dulles, there will be parking and an internal infrastructure at Dulles to use the Silver to DC. Another example where Busses theoretically work, but in practice don't really.
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...and Logan is contemplating change to Rogen.
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I thought it was named for son, Avery Cardinal Dulles.
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17. President Obama, Memoirs, as he returns to his native Kenya.
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