because there's no polling to back that up. There is little reported evidence in the media to back that up. And just because you disagree with the Constitutionality of an EO - which hasn't actually been litigated yet . . . . doesn't mean your interpretation backs up your assertion.
You don't have evidence on your side. You have wish casting.
The Democrats built the ACA on the skeleton of the Heritage Foundation's plans that were developed to push back on Hillary in the 1990's. Democrats did that in the vain hope that Republicans would support it. The plan a the time was billed as an interim step to both rein in HC costs and move partially to better access but not go as far as single payer.
I don't think the government should ban Fox News, or OAN, or Newsmax. I don't think they should be shielded for liability for the content they produce, and I don't think they should be free of pushback. Frankly I don't think they should call themselves fair and balanced either.
As for workers being fired for refusing the vaccine - if that's what a company wants to do because it impacts their bottom line, that's their business. If the government says you can't do business with us unless your staff is vaccinated - guess what, no one is forcing Lockheed or SAIC or anyone else to do business with the government. We require all sorts of other conditions on government contractors so this is really no different.
And you will note that unless case counts rise again most of the mandate for mask etc are being lifted. Even in DC. Liberals were never going to leave this stuff in place.
man, sometime you swing for the fences ... and miss wildly. But good on you for trying.
We are discussing principles. One that I hold to is that free speech means you have the right to NOT speak. You have the right to remove your speech from the public sphere. Which is what the Dr. Seuss publisher did.
Another principle I hold to is government does NOT have the right to force you to remove your speech from the public square, no matter how inconvenient. The Chicago Library is treading a dangerous border though it makes a convincing argument that offensive materials can and should be reexamined. I'm guessing the paper never went back to ask what the long term decisions were, since that article is from March and its now November.
And finally I'll say again - with as much feeling as I can in typed digital words - if you support policies that allow private actors to control their destiny's (and you and Density seem to do so regularly) then you have to support private actors acting here. No government entity - outside the Chicago library (which didn't actually ban the book if you read the article) - called for its removal. And no government entity or elected official called for it to be burned.
Someone who owns the book - or in the case of Dr. Seuss its publishing rights - who chooses voluntarily to remove it from future publication is NOT banning the book. Sure, you may disagree with their reasons - hell I know you do even if you won't cop to it - but no authority or government person or agency told them to do so.
While you may see these two things as relevant or related, they aren't. Nice misdirection attempt though.
So, you don't support private actors acting privately? That's hilarious from a libertarian/contrarian/whatever-arian you claim to be.
But yeah, again - a publisher deciding to pull offensive material from its publishing catalogue is NOT on the same planet as elected officials calling for public book burnings.
No one banned Dr. Seuss. His own publishers pulled books from further printing because they contained old, racist tropes. As you and many many others noted, those books remain on library shelves, they remain in circulation, and I think there was even a prediction of increased value on eBay - though I haven't tracked that.
Bu that's not what I'm talking about, nor is it what Dark hinted at. A publisher deciding on its own to take something off the shelf that is, in fact, offensive is not the same thing as elected officials declaring they want to burn books. Not by a long shot.
since the Kenosha protests, over 300 people have been arrested - mostly locals -- for everything from curfew violations to weapons charges. There is, sadly, no reporting on the prosecution rates, but those arrests include about 250 at the time and another 55 in early 2021.
The arrest total in Minneapolis is up over 1200 from a series of protests since George Floyd was killed. Prosecutors are only recently getting to trying the arson charges - which include 55 people from the initial protests.
My conclusion is that arrests and prosecutions are happening, not just getting press.
When they spoke, they demanded a SCOTUS that would repeal Roe and an administration that would break the unions, end affirmative action and put prayer back in schools.
the individual, rank and file voters in these areas do in fact want these things. They want economic opportunities for their kids that don't require leaving. They want to see a doctor in their town. They want to celebrate their anniversaries and graduations in their own spaces. And they do, in fact want to be connected to the internet.
But for 40 years, Republican politicians and businessmen, hell bent on keeping power in the face of a browning nation of mostly women, have fed them distorted lies. Those businessmen have consolidate newspapers and TV stations to ensure message discipline. And so the good trusting people of rural America have swallowed the propaganda.
democrats used to give them a choice. But as the party has moved ever rightward - chasing campaign contributions and pyric victories the Democrats have abandoned the rural voter as well. These folks - whom I live and work among - are tired of loosing. They are tired of fighting for what they believe they have earned (even though that earning is all based on a racist myth). And so they vote for the politicians who they THINK and BELIEVE will let them win.
Your power to stop them lies in ensuring the economic promises made to them are kept. that's going to be tough with neoliberals and Republicans in Washington, both serving the almighty corporation. But it is doable.
Biden is no leftist. Frankly no politician who claims neoliberal economics as his path (which Biden very much does) is a leftist. Nice try. and what his DoJ has done - what little it has done, is retreat to status quo ante-Trump. Which is no leftist paradise, but its not the state trying to perpetuate itself with a coup.
As to all that arm waving you just did - I don't buy it. Leftist politicians, and left leaning Centerists in the Democratic party - are not the ones proposing banning library book, nor are they teh ones who see CRT as a boogie man who must be defeated. Left side politicians are not the ones gerrymandering control on sate politics to dilute or destroy the vote of people of color who have made significant (and likely under reported) gains in population.
What the left does do, and will continue to do is hold people accountable for the state of affairs they create and perpetuate. Congressman Paul Gossar, as but one of many examples, tweeted a "cartoon" of himself killing a fellow Congressman. The Right's response was that is was just like "Let's go Brandon" - i.e. simply something to taunt the left into an overblown response. Had the shoe been on the other foot, not only would AOC have been immediately censured, but the Right would have been howling about inciting political violence. Gossar crossed many, many lines, but the left is attacked for holding him accountable.
And finally - if you really think free speech was assumed when we grew up, then how di John Lewis get his skull fractured? Why was MLK assassinated? The answer is they spoke freely to white, conservative, racist power, which STILL doesn't want to share. The world you describe didn't exist before.
You know as well as I do they have been subjected to a variety of forces - mostly negative, including political propaganda. They voted Republican for a long time expecting things to change, and when things didn't change - because they weren't being listened to - they voted Trump and forced the GOP into submission.
Now they think they are being listened to, and the message they are sending is hurt everyone else. Because no one they trust is telling them there is another option.
It isn't those things - its to be heard and heeded. Now, a way to hear and heed them is to restore some portions of the economy that are slipping away, like hospitals and pharmacies.
Another way is to screw minorities in cities so their lives are worse then for declining rural economies.
Us science geeks universally LOVE Big Bang Theory, as its people we work with. Seriously. I know every one of those characters, several times over. Which makes it hilarious as escapist fantasy.
The issue the OP mostly hints at is that loosing local pharmacy services in rural areas is part of a piece of a larger and frankly more difficult economic pie - namely that the consumer based economy in which we find ourselves has few incentives to keep basic services in low density population areas. Much like the loss of well respected local doctors and small local hospitals this has an effect on both rural health and commerce, and is part of what underpins the violent reactionary nature of what we are seeing politically in many of these same areas. Which is to say that rural white Americans who feel left behind/ignored by politicians and the economy as a whole look at this as yet another example of what's being done to them, and they find that only the Fox News/Republican political center is even giving lip service much less attention to this.
What I find so funny about this indictment is how many of the professional pundits believe this will set an example and cow the other holdouts. All of them are gaming the system in hopes of a Republican sweep of the House. All of them. and these indictments are not going to be tried, much less tried an appealed, before that election.
But at least Merrick Garland proved he's willing to do something.
The vaccine wasn’t partisan until the political needs of the man decided it should be so. Now the entire party has swung firmly behind anti-vax hysteria.
Its hilarious to me how much cheerleading they insist we give Trump for funding the initial development of the vaccine - which he di - but then the refuse to take it because Biden handed it out. Much like Obama passing the ACA the Republicans are so hell bent on retaking power they freely pass up opportunities to talk about their actual successes if a Democrat is involved.
Note that Steve Bannon was indicted today for criminal contempt for failing to answer the House subpoena. And in less then 30 days. While this fight is along way from over, the DoJ is clearly signaling to others it intends to enforce Congress's subpoena powers. Which also means the Trump executive privilege claims are now on even shakier ground then they used to be.
The law in Wisconsin says you can't open carry a firearm below 18. He open carried below 18. And crossed state lines to do it. Doesn't matter how he's tried.
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because there's no polling to back that up. There is little reported evidence in the media to back that up. And just because you disagree with the Constitutionality of an EO - which hasn't actually been litigated yet . . . . doesn't mean your interpretation backs up your assertion.
You don't have evidence on your side. You have wish casting.
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Single payer is not government run healthcare, and it would reduce costs.
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And the videos of parents screaming at school board members about knowing where they live after mask mandate meetings? What do you think those are?
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The Democrats built the ACA on the skeleton of the Heritage Foundation's plans that were developed to push back on Hillary in the 1990's. Democrats did that in the vain hope that Republicans would support it. The plan a the time was billed as an interim step to both rein in HC costs and move partially to better access but not go as far as single payer.
It was never a leftist proposal.
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What should we call parents who threaten to kill school board members who don't end CRT? Are they misunderstood?
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I don't think the government should ban Fox News, or OAN, or Newsmax. I don't think they should be shielded for liability for the content they produce, and I don't think they should be free of pushback. Frankly I don't think they should call themselves fair and balanced either.
As for workers being fired for refusing the vaccine - if that's what a company wants to do because it impacts their bottom line, that's their business. If the government says you can't do business with us unless your staff is vaccinated - guess what, no one is forcing Lockheed or SAIC or anyone else to do business with the government. We require all sorts of other conditions on government contractors so this is really no different.
And you will note that unless case counts rise again most of the mandate for mask etc are being lifted. Even in DC. Liberals were never going to leave this stuff in place.
"
man, sometime you swing for the fences ... and miss wildly. But good on you for trying.
We are discussing principles. One that I hold to is that free speech means you have the right to NOT speak. You have the right to remove your speech from the public sphere. Which is what the Dr. Seuss publisher did.
Another principle I hold to is government does NOT have the right to force you to remove your speech from the public square, no matter how inconvenient. The Chicago Library is treading a dangerous border though it makes a convincing argument that offensive materials can and should be reexamined. I'm guessing the paper never went back to ask what the long term decisions were, since that article is from March and its now November.
And finally I'll say again - with as much feeling as I can in typed digital words - if you support policies that allow private actors to control their destiny's (and you and Density seem to do so regularly) then you have to support private actors acting here. No government entity - outside the Chicago library (which didn't actually ban the book if you read the article) - called for its removal. And no government entity or elected official called for it to be burned.
"
Someone who owns the book - or in the case of Dr. Seuss its publishing rights - who chooses voluntarily to remove it from future publication is NOT banning the book. Sure, you may disagree with their reasons - hell I know you do even if you won't cop to it - but no authority or government person or agency told them to do so.
While you may see these two things as relevant or related, they aren't. Nice misdirection attempt though.
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So, you don't support private actors acting privately? That's hilarious from a libertarian/contrarian/whatever-arian you claim to be.
But yeah, again - a publisher deciding to pull offensive material from its publishing catalogue is NOT on the same planet as elected officials calling for public book burnings.
"
No one banned Dr. Seuss. His own publishers pulled books from further printing because they contained old, racist tropes. As you and many many others noted, those books remain on library shelves, they remain in circulation, and I think there was even a prediction of increased value on eBay - though I haven't tracked that.
Bu that's not what I'm talking about, nor is it what Dark hinted at. A publisher deciding on its own to take something off the shelf that is, in fact, offensive is not the same thing as elected officials declaring they want to burn books. Not by a long shot.
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since the Kenosha protests, over 300 people have been arrested - mostly locals -- for everything from curfew violations to weapons charges. There is, sadly, no reporting on the prosecution rates, but those arrests include about 250 at the time and another 55 in early 2021.
The arrest total in Minneapolis is up over 1200 from a series of protests since George Floyd was killed. Prosecutors are only recently getting to trying the arson charges - which include 55 people from the initial protests.
My conclusion is that arrests and prosecutions are happening, not just getting press.
Your mileage may vary.
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Who banned them?
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the individual, rank and file voters in these areas do in fact want these things. They want economic opportunities for their kids that don't require leaving. They want to see a doctor in their town. They want to celebrate their anniversaries and graduations in their own spaces. And they do, in fact want to be connected to the internet.
But for 40 years, Republican politicians and businessmen, hell bent on keeping power in the face of a browning nation of mostly women, have fed them distorted lies. Those businessmen have consolidate newspapers and TV stations to ensure message discipline. And so the good trusting people of rural America have swallowed the propaganda.
democrats used to give them a choice. But as the party has moved ever rightward - chasing campaign contributions and pyric victories the Democrats have abandoned the rural voter as well. These folks - whom I live and work among - are tired of loosing. They are tired of fighting for what they believe they have earned (even though that earning is all based on a racist myth). And so they vote for the politicians who they THINK and BELIEVE will let them win.
Your power to stop them lies in ensuring the economic promises made to them are kept. that's going to be tough with neoliberals and Republicans in Washington, both serving the almighty corporation. But it is doable.
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Biden is no leftist. Frankly no politician who claims neoliberal economics as his path (which Biden very much does) is a leftist. Nice try. and what his DoJ has done - what little it has done, is retreat to status quo ante-Trump. Which is no leftist paradise, but its not the state trying to perpetuate itself with a coup.
As to all that arm waving you just did - I don't buy it. Leftist politicians, and left leaning Centerists in the Democratic party - are not the ones proposing banning library book, nor are they teh ones who see CRT as a boogie man who must be defeated. Left side politicians are not the ones gerrymandering control on sate politics to dilute or destroy the vote of people of color who have made significant (and likely under reported) gains in population.
What the left does do, and will continue to do is hold people accountable for the state of affairs they create and perpetuate. Congressman Paul Gossar, as but one of many examples, tweeted a "cartoon" of himself killing a fellow Congressman. The Right's response was that is was just like "Let's go Brandon" - i.e. simply something to taunt the left into an overblown response. Had the shoe been on the other foot, not only would AOC have been immediately censured, but the Right would have been howling about inciting political violence. Gossar crossed many, many lines, but the left is attacked for holding him accountable.
And finally - if you really think free speech was assumed when we grew up, then how di John Lewis get his skull fractured? Why was MLK assassinated? The answer is they spoke freely to white, conservative, racist power, which STILL doesn't want to share. The world you describe didn't exist before.
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You know as well as I do they have been subjected to a variety of forces - mostly negative, including political propaganda. They voted Republican for a long time expecting things to change, and when things didn't change - because they weren't being listened to - they voted Trump and forced the GOP into submission.
Now they think they are being listened to, and the message they are sending is hurt everyone else. Because no one they trust is telling them there is another option.
"
It isn't those things - its to be heard and heeded. Now, a way to hear and heed them is to restore some portions of the economy that are slipping away, like hospitals and pharmacies.
Another way is to screw minorities in cities so their lives are worse then for declining rural economies.
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I'm a lot closer to Sheldon . . .
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you and I clearly have different smart people crowds.
And to have watched Futurama in real time as it was being released I'd have to have gotten Cable.
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Us science geeks universally LOVE Big Bang Theory, as its people we work with. Seriously. I know every one of those characters, several times over. Which makes it hilarious as escapist fantasy.
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The issue the OP mostly hints at is that loosing local pharmacy services in rural areas is part of a piece of a larger and frankly more difficult economic pie - namely that the consumer based economy in which we find ourselves has few incentives to keep basic services in low density population areas. Much like the loss of well respected local doctors and small local hospitals this has an effect on both rural health and commerce, and is part of what underpins the violent reactionary nature of what we are seeing politically in many of these same areas. Which is to say that rural white Americans who feel left behind/ignored by politicians and the economy as a whole look at this as yet another example of what's being done to them, and they find that only the Fox News/Republican political center is even giving lip service much less attention to this.
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What I find so funny about this indictment is how many of the professional pundits believe this will set an example and cow the other holdouts. All of them are gaming the system in hopes of a Republican sweep of the House. All of them. and these indictments are not going to be tried, much less tried an appealed, before that election.
But at least Merrick Garland proved he's willing to do something.
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Its hilarious to me how much cheerleading they insist we give Trump for funding the initial development of the vaccine - which he di - but then the refuse to take it because Biden handed it out. Much like Obama passing the ACA the Republicans are so hell bent on retaking power they freely pass up opportunities to talk about their actual successes if a Democrat is involved.
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Note that Steve Bannon was indicted today for criminal contempt for failing to answer the House subpoena. And in less then 30 days. While this fight is along way from over, the DoJ is clearly signaling to others it intends to enforce Congress's subpoena powers. Which also means the Trump executive privilege claims are now on even shakier ground then they used to be.
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The law in Wisconsin says you can't open carry a firearm below 18. He open carried below 18. And crossed state lines to do it. Doesn't matter how he's tried.
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last I checked, carrying a gun in public when you aren't allowed to is a criminal offense.