Hard to say. I expect she'll be doing legacy media sometime shortly after her convention. She's said end of August and I think if she blew through a deadline she, herself, set that'd be interesting and worthy of note. The articles point, that she has zero obligations both in principle and in practice, to legacy media is rock solid though.
But goodness knows an implosion or paradigm shift in media is desperately needed. What noone knows is how to do it. The money for media has mostly been sucked up by tech giants and everyone is just scribble scrabbling around after the crumbs. The legacy media exists because there's literally no replacement org and no revenue to replace it but it still does things people value (and, equally importantly, it's a place really smart people and well off people will work at for peanuts).
And, again, it wouldn't matter if she uses the media or not in that event. If she screws up badly she screws up badly- her availability to the media, or not, would have no effect on the fallout of her screwing up badly.
Well for one thing, if servers are being paid entirely in wages then the sleepy day shift on Wednesday and the busy friday evening shift suddenly both invert in desirability.
Except David Brinkley would give her the hard questions from the get go as would any of the legacy media while being muted about correct answers and shouting mistakes virally across the country. So by your own measure there's considerable sense in eschewing the legacy media. Also, in light of their behavior with the Trump campaign hacks they do richly deserve a rolled up newspaper across the nose.
Of course they say that, and they'll go on saying that right up to the moment one of their leaders walks out of a private negotiation with the Israeli's with a deal. And even then they'll be like "Victory my brothers, a right of return for all refugees (mumbled- to de jure Palestine) has been agreed to by the leaders of the Jewish entity!" You know how posturing and negotiation works as well as anyone.
Nor do we see any evidence that the Israeli's are willing to pull their settlers out of the territories or let the PA resume administration of Gaza or even put forth any vision at all of exactly what they intend to do about the millions of Palestinians who life under their de jur total control. And those problems, unlike the right of return, do not have any possible easy answers.
To put it mildly a bit has changed in the last 24 years. Both sides have, oddly, come closer together- the Israeli's in getting a bit crazier in a Palestinian manner and the (West Bank at least) Palestinians in being a bit saner in an Israeli manner.
Reread your previous post. You acknowledged that the PA has been behaving relatively sanely and then immediately pivoted to talking about the actions of Hamas.
As for punishment there's not really much more that can be done -to- the Palestinians without going over the line (and many credibly argue Israel has been steadily doing anyhow) into illiberal state activity. They're already occupied, dispossessed and are steadily having their land stolen and that's just the Palestinians in the West bank who, again, have been behaving pretty well vis a vis Israel for the last decade or so. Let's not even list what stupid prizes the Palestinians in Gaza have won for their stupid decision to not... what... violently overthrow Hamas?
And, sure, most of the burden of action lies on Israel because Israel is the dominant actor who has freedom to act. The West Bank Palestinians (the majority of Palestinians in general) have already met the required level of action (or inaction) that they can realistically be expected to meet considering their status. There are no Palestinian settlements to withdraw. There are no Palestinian armies to disband.
Israel is a modern liberal state and is accorded the vast benefits of being one. The cost of those vast benefits is, of course, being held to the standards of being a modern liberal state. The various Muslim states aren't treated like modern liberal states- they're generally viewed, rightfully I'd add, as undeveloped backwards hellholes. They're infantalized by the left, despised by the right and treated instrumentally by the centrists. You do not want Israel or Jewish people to be treated that way, Lee. Outside of the fever dreams of the internet it's a bad deal.
I would agree that is a pretty point in favor of the "Biden is too old to successfully run for President again while being President" premise. Though a die hard Biden partisan, of whom there are thankfully very very few, would retort that this is simply a consequence of the media rewarding the Dems for knuckling under to the medias campaign against Biden.
Heck you and I both. Wish someone would cut them off at their knees like ol' Sharon did. I still can't get over how my view of that man has changed over the years.
Lee, I couldn't help but notice that you seamlessly pivoted from reluctantly admitting that the PA has kept the peace to then blaming them for the Simchat Torah massacre. A massacre that was prosecuted not by the PA but by Hamas, the PA's opponents and Likuds pet religious fanatics.
I grant that the international pro-Palestinian protesters are obnoxious and very unbalanced. I would note that their strength, while not yet near dominant on the left, has steadily grown and grown as Israel has gone down Likuds' primrose policy path regarding the Palestinians. Even in the face of the PA's, as you have granted, sane and responsible behavior the Israeli's haven't changed course and, indeed, have doubled down on Likudnik behavior. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. How much of the same does Israel have left in it before she empowers those people who's arguments you despise into grabbing some significant levers of power? How many years before you're howling not about protestors or professors or twitter figures talking that way but Senators, Ministers or, God(ess) forfend, world leaders?
For my part, I thought that most of the right wing accusations pre debate were entirely baseless as they seemed to be based on nothing but brief video clips. Our empirical data points were Bidens capable prosecution of his administration and his perfectly acceptable State of the Union which included unscripted back and forth with hostile GOP members that Biden was generally viewed as having had the better of.
Where I part ways with Philip is regarding the debate and aftermath of the debate. Biden, as I said at the time, had done terribly and if he wanted to continue to be the nominee he had to put himself out there a lot more and demonstrate the vigor and capability he'd failed to demonstrate at the debate. Biden did, to be fair, engage more but it was mainly scripted events and his performance was, while not disastrous, far from scintillating. That, coupled with what presumably was very unimpressive private performances led to a widespread revolt by his party which, coupled by Biden’s own moral fortitude resulted in Biden stepping down and Harris taking his place as candidate. The party was unconvinced that Biden was capable enough to campaign and win the Presidency again and so they asked and he accepted that he step down.
As for the so called “sane” right wing media. They’ve been more moderate in claim and tone than their lunatic right-wing brethren but little more accurate. They’ve predicted a hundred of the past one incidences of inflation, a hundred of the past zero fiscal crises and always these threats have loomed only when Democrats occupied power. They predicted Bernie’s nomination in 2020 and they also endorsed Trump. That the mildest of their claims about Biden’s capabilities, that he’s too old and weary to both do the job of being President and also campaign for another term, seems to be correct is not a lot of countervailing evidence. And, again, they are endorsing Trump and Trumps party.
My party, when given serious reason to be concerned about the capabilities of its candidate for President, took action and the result was a more vigorous candidate and what, so far, appears to be a better outcome for the party. What’s the rights’ excuse?
What we knew about the facts changed. The righties were yelping everything from the mild "Biden can't run for President and do the job too", all the way to the wild "Biden is a senescent near (or actual) corpse propped up behind the resolute desk with a stick". The righties have been yelling unsubstantiated deranged stuff for ages.
Once Biden messed up in the debate and then subsequently failed to substantiate his claim that said mess up was a one off; what we, outside the right-o-sphere, knew about the facts changed and we changed our minds accordingly.
And even now there's a lot about the facts we don't know, like when and to what degree Biden declined.
Indeed we do! And Israel was richly rewarded by the international community for that wise decision, a reward that Bibi squandered over more than a decade.
And we do have examples of the Palestinians, however imperfectly, hewing to the peace. If the West Bank Palestinians had attacked like Hamas did then Israel would be aflame from Nahariya to Eliat. They didn't, and haven't, and, indeed have cooperated with the Israeli security forces to a remarkable degree. The undemocratic and corrupt behavior of Abbas does not erase that fact and it bothers me no small amount that the Israeli's keep trying to pretend it hasn't happened. Bibi and his right-wing clowns pretending it- I understand. But the rest of the Israeli's, I don't.
Neither did I. Neither did most people outside the right-o-sphere. Stopped clocks and all. But the facts changed so we changed our minds.
Harris has said she's going to do pressers and soon. There's no reason to think she won't. If she intended not to talk to the press then she assuredly wouldn't promise to talk to them, especially not when talking to the press!
Frankly after the way the Time has carried on with Biden they probably deserve to get snubbed. It's not like their paying audience isn't already 99/1 in the bag for Harris already. And being snubbed might snap their pointy little heads around and be salutary for their growth.
Eh, it's an easy enough problem to solve but, yes, it'd require the Palestinian negotiators to say "it's this or nothing, deal." That's a challenge for the Palestinians just like dragging all their settler lunatics out of the territories is a challenge for the Israeli's.
A press conference might harm -anyone's- chances is an absolute truism. If any candidate fishes up in front of a bunch of reporters it hurts them to some degree. It even hurts Trump though his unique strategy is to provide an absolute deluge of bad press performances to overload the press' ability to report on it and to trigger their instinctive impulse to put their fingers on the scale to equalize the two sides.
But saying "A press conference might harm Harris's chances" is a pretty much completely anodyne statement akin to saying "using a blow torch carries a risk of injury".
Talking to the press is certainly necessary but as a candidate Harris has a right, indeed an obligation, to do so on her time and in a manner that best advantages her electoral chances. She'll talk to the press when she deems it advantageous to do so- current official line is she plans to do it before the end of August. She has no obligation to take instructions from the press as to how often or to whom she talks to regarding press appearances.
Yeah, this. My own guestimate is Harris' team is planning to run mostly press silent through the convention first to maximize their good vibes/honeymoon phase and then tackle unscripted press appearances after that. That'd also comport with Harris' own statements that she'll be doing pressers before the end of August.
Meh, that's old news. Obviously, the circle can be squared by letting refugees have a "right of return" only that right be to return to the territories of the new constituted Palestinian polity that would result from a final settlement. The Palestinians get their right to return and the Israeli's get to not have the Palestinian right to return. Not difficult.
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Kipling all the way for me and, no, I am not abashed by it. I know he's far from in fashion with the leftier set but the man could make words dance.
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Hard to say. I expect she'll be doing legacy media sometime shortly after her convention. She's said end of August and I think if she blew through a deadline she, herself, set that'd be interesting and worthy of note. The articles point, that she has zero obligations both in principle and in practice, to legacy media is rock solid though.
But goodness knows an implosion or paradigm shift in media is desperately needed. What noone knows is how to do it. The money for media has mostly been sucked up by tech giants and everyone is just scribble scrabbling around after the crumbs. The legacy media exists because there's literally no replacement org and no revenue to replace it but it still does things people value (and, equally importantly, it's a place really smart people and well off people will work at for peanuts).
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And, again, it wouldn't matter if she uses the media or not in that event. If she screws up badly she screws up badly- her availability to the media, or not, would have no effect on the fallout of her screwing up badly.
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Well for one thing, if servers are being paid entirely in wages then the sleepy day shift on Wednesday and the busy friday evening shift suddenly both invert in desirability.
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Except David Brinkley would give her the hard questions from the get go as would any of the legacy media while being muted about correct answers and shouting mistakes virally across the country. So by your own measure there's considerable sense in eschewing the legacy media. Also, in light of their behavior with the Trump campaign hacks they do richly deserve a rolled up newspaper across the nose.
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Of course they say that, and they'll go on saying that right up to the moment one of their leaders walks out of a private negotiation with the Israeli's with a deal. And even then they'll be like "Victory my brothers, a right of return for all refugees (mumbled- to de jure Palestine) has been agreed to by the leaders of the Jewish entity!" You know how posturing and negotiation works as well as anyone.
Nor do we see any evidence that the Israeli's are willing to pull their settlers out of the territories or let the PA resume administration of Gaza or even put forth any vision at all of exactly what they intend to do about the millions of Palestinians who life under their de jur total control. And those problems, unlike the right of return, do not have any possible easy answers.
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I agree on this. Never saw this publication before but I found myself nodding firmly along with their points.
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To put it mildly a bit has changed in the last 24 years. Both sides have, oddly, come closer together- the Israeli's in getting a bit crazier in a Palestinian manner and the (West Bank at least) Palestinians in being a bit saner in an Israeli manner.
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Reread your previous post. You acknowledged that the PA has been behaving relatively sanely and then immediately pivoted to talking about the actions of Hamas.
As for punishment there's not really much more that can be done -to- the Palestinians without going over the line (and many credibly argue Israel has been steadily doing anyhow) into illiberal state activity. They're already occupied, dispossessed and are steadily having their land stolen and that's just the Palestinians in the West bank who, again, have been behaving pretty well vis a vis Israel for the last decade or so. Let's not even list what stupid prizes the Palestinians in Gaza have won for their stupid decision to not... what... violently overthrow Hamas?
And, sure, most of the burden of action lies on Israel because Israel is the dominant actor who has freedom to act. The West Bank Palestinians (the majority of Palestinians in general) have already met the required level of action (or inaction) that they can realistically be expected to meet considering their status. There are no Palestinian settlements to withdraw. There are no Palestinian armies to disband.
Israel is a modern liberal state and is accorded the vast benefits of being one. The cost of those vast benefits is, of course, being held to the standards of being a modern liberal state. The various Muslim states aren't treated like modern liberal states- they're generally viewed, rightfully I'd add, as undeveloped backwards hellholes. They're infantalized by the left, despised by the right and treated instrumentally by the centrists. You do not want Israel or Jewish people to be treated that way, Lee. Outside of the fever dreams of the internet it's a bad deal.
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I would agree that is a pretty point in favor of the "Biden is too old to successfully run for President again while being President" premise. Though a die hard Biden partisan, of whom there are thankfully very very few, would retort that this is simply a consequence of the media rewarding the Dems for knuckling under to the medias campaign against Biden.
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Holy chicken Mcnuggets, that's remarkable!
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I'm curious. My initial hunting didn't produce anything risque? Did the prince wake Snow White up en fuego in the original Italian?
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Heck you and I both. Wish someone would cut them off at their knees like ol' Sharon did. I still can't get over how my view of that man has changed over the years.
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Lee, I couldn't help but notice that you seamlessly pivoted from reluctantly admitting that the PA has kept the peace to then blaming them for the Simchat Torah massacre. A massacre that was prosecuted not by the PA but by Hamas, the PA's opponents and Likuds pet religious fanatics.
I grant that the international pro-Palestinian protesters are obnoxious and very unbalanced. I would note that their strength, while not yet near dominant on the left, has steadily grown and grown as Israel has gone down Likuds' primrose policy path regarding the Palestinians. Even in the face of the PA's, as you have granted, sane and responsible behavior the Israeli's haven't changed course and, indeed, have doubled down on Likudnik behavior. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. How much of the same does Israel have left in it before she empowers those people who's arguments you despise into grabbing some significant levers of power? How many years before you're howling not about protestors or professors or twitter figures talking that way but Senators, Ministers or, God(ess) forfend, world leaders?
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It's a mighty good thing the intersectional left isn't near any levers of power then.
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For my part, I thought that most of the right wing accusations pre debate were entirely baseless as they seemed to be based on nothing but brief video clips. Our empirical data points were Bidens capable prosecution of his administration and his perfectly acceptable State of the Union which included unscripted back and forth with hostile GOP members that Biden was generally viewed as having had the better of.
Where I part ways with Philip is regarding the debate and aftermath of the debate. Biden, as I said at the time, had done terribly and if he wanted to continue to be the nominee he had to put himself out there a lot more and demonstrate the vigor and capability he'd failed to demonstrate at the debate. Biden did, to be fair, engage more but it was mainly scripted events and his performance was, while not disastrous, far from scintillating. That, coupled with what presumably was very unimpressive private performances led to a widespread revolt by his party which, coupled by Biden’s own moral fortitude resulted in Biden stepping down and Harris taking his place as candidate. The party was unconvinced that Biden was capable enough to campaign and win the Presidency again and so they asked and he accepted that he step down.
As for the so called “sane” right wing media. They’ve been more moderate in claim and tone than their lunatic right-wing brethren but little more accurate. They’ve predicted a hundred of the past one incidences of inflation, a hundred of the past zero fiscal crises and always these threats have loomed only when Democrats occupied power. They predicted Bernie’s nomination in 2020 and they also endorsed Trump. That the mildest of their claims about Biden’s capabilities, that he’s too old and weary to both do the job of being President and also campaign for another term, seems to be correct is not a lot of countervailing evidence. And, again, they are endorsing Trump and Trumps party.
My party, when given serious reason to be concerned about the capabilities of its candidate for President, took action and the result was a more vigorous candidate and what, so far, appears to be a better outcome for the party. What’s the rights’ excuse?
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What we knew about the facts changed. The righties were yelping everything from the mild "Biden can't run for President and do the job too", all the way to the wild "Biden is a senescent near (or actual) corpse propped up behind the resolute desk with a stick". The righties have been yelling unsubstantiated deranged stuff for ages.
Once Biden messed up in the debate and then subsequently failed to substantiate his claim that said mess up was a one off; what we, outside the right-o-sphere, knew about the facts changed and we changed our minds accordingly.
And even now there's a lot about the facts we don't know, like when and to what degree Biden declined.
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Indeed we do! And Israel was richly rewarded by the international community for that wise decision, a reward that Bibi squandered over more than a decade.
And we do have examples of the Palestinians, however imperfectly, hewing to the peace. If the West Bank Palestinians had attacked like Hamas did then Israel would be aflame from Nahariya to Eliat. They didn't, and haven't, and, indeed have cooperated with the Israeli security forces to a remarkable degree. The undemocratic and corrupt behavior of Abbas does not erase that fact and it bothers me no small amount that the Israeli's keep trying to pretend it hasn't happened. Bibi and his right-wing clowns pretending it- I understand. But the rest of the Israeli's, I don't.
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Neither did I. Neither did most people outside the right-o-sphere. Stopped clocks and all. But the facts changed so we changed our minds.
Harris has said she's going to do pressers and soon. There's no reason to think she won't. If she intended not to talk to the press then she assuredly wouldn't promise to talk to them, especially not when talking to the press!
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Frankly after the way the Time has carried on with Biden they probably deserve to get snubbed. It's not like their paying audience isn't already 99/1 in the bag for Harris already. And being snubbed might snap their pointy little heads around and be salutary for their growth.
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What, all the way to the election? Come now Jay, you know she won't.
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Eh, it's an easy enough problem to solve but, yes, it'd require the Palestinian negotiators to say "it's this or nothing, deal." That's a challenge for the Palestinians just like dragging all their settler lunatics out of the territories is a challenge for the Israeli's.
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A press conference might harm -anyone's- chances is an absolute truism. If any candidate fishes up in front of a bunch of reporters it hurts them to some degree. It even hurts Trump though his unique strategy is to provide an absolute deluge of bad press performances to overload the press' ability to report on it and to trigger their instinctive impulse to put their fingers on the scale to equalize the two sides.
But saying "A press conference might harm Harris's chances" is a pretty much completely anodyne statement akin to saying "using a blow torch carries a risk of injury".
Talking to the press is certainly necessary but as a candidate Harris has a right, indeed an obligation, to do so on her time and in a manner that best advantages her electoral chances. She'll talk to the press when she deems it advantageous to do so- current official line is she plans to do it before the end of August. She has no obligation to take instructions from the press as to how often or to whom she talks to regarding press appearances.
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Yeah, this. My own guestimate is Harris' team is planning to run mostly press silent through the convention first to maximize their good vibes/honeymoon phase and then tackle unscripted press appearances after that. That'd also comport with Harris' own statements that she'll be doing pressers before the end of August.
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Meh, that's old news. Obviously, the circle can be squared by letting refugees have a "right of return" only that right be to return to the territories of the new constituted Palestinian polity that would result from a final settlement. The Palestinians get their right to return and the Israeli's get to not have the Palestinian right to return. Not difficult.
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