Nice to FINALLY see what appears to be peer reviewed science on this.
Three things stand out to me - first this is used as a prophylactic not a treatment. Second, this is a prescribed dose under routine medical monitoring. That's vastly different then ordering it off Amazon and trying to mix a dose in your kitchen. Third - we still need to be cautious. The Journal is a relatively new open access journal with a really low impact factor - meaning its work is not cited by a lot of other journals, and few really well respected scientists publish in it - yet.
I hope there is more peer reviewed science to come - we do need a variety of treatment and prophylactic options for this globally.
I'd say they are following the science since it appears that these treatments are less robust against Omicron then against Delta - which is probably what I had. I don't think this is unexpected, though I do think it means the Administration needs to lean harder on developing monoclonals that can be more easily adapted. Such a development would help move this from pandemic to endemic.
Tell me - when the dictatorship comes, and I get hauled off for reeducation, will you cheer? Will you gloat?
Because last I checked, I'm as real an American as you are, both by birth - or so the Constitution tells us - and by my desire to see a better stronger America.
71% of Americans want Congress to keep investigating the attack. 41% approves of the job the president is doing. I know its hard to conceive, but Americans - all of us - are capable of holding both those beliefs at the same time.
The fact you continue to believe libs aren't aren't real Americans is telling.
That aside, "real Americans" do care:
Seventy-six percent said it was a protest that went too far, 63% an effort to overthrow the election and keep Trump in power, 55% an insurrection, and 54% an attempted overthrow of the US government.
In the AP/NORC poll, 71% said Congress should continue its investigation into what happened
In the CBS News/YouGov poll, 67% said Congress should be investigating elected representatives and other public officials to see if they had a role in the events.
You don't get to those sort of numbers with just libs, whether liberals are real Americans or not (hint - they are).
I got it after being fully vaccinated but not boosted. I spent the first 24 hours in bed - before I got tested - and then about 14 hours after until my session of monoclinal antibodies. That stuff worked - which was good because 48 hours after I got them, Hurricane Ida came a wooshing overhead, and I needed to be mostly there for it.
I'm part of a voluntary study Johns Hopkins is doing on longitudinal outcomes of COVID so I get surveyed every quarter on my symptoms etc. That will be very interesting when it's published.
Long-Covid is a thing, as are a whole host of post-infection problems. Like you, many of those problems occurred in individuals who were not vaccinated. One of the things that's really worrying form a public health perspective is whether, and to what degree, those long term side effects will present after Omicron.
I mean, I have gotten more pushback on my saying “I resent when leadership defects even though I am cooperating” than I have seen leadership get for defecting.
WHICH IS WEIRD.
From whom did you expect that "leadership" to get pushback? Gov. Newsome got recalled for his handling of COVID - which while laughably unsuccessful as a politicla maneuver is still not a null data set.
I'm aware, and that a lot of places are tracking outbreaks by sampling municipal sewage. Which has also been widely reported . . . I sure would love to know where you are going with this?
The harm is he does it again. And again. And again. Plus he can introduce legislation - he did so on his voting rights alternative. Which the Republicans he kept negotiating with promptly filibustered.
that howbad site is hilarious. Yep it has data, and told me my dose 1batch (which is written on each your vaccine card each time you get it) had:
DEATHS - 35
DISABILITIES - 43
LIFE THREATENING ILLNESSES -53
If your friend is really a biomedical statistician, they will tell you what the probability of death is by comparing those numbers to the batch size used. I don't have that data, so I won't go further down the rabbit hole. It's hilarious to me that you'd so tout a website that says
USA Data : All data is sourced from VAERS, a public database of over 700,000 adverse reaction reports for Moderna, Pfizer and Janssen Covid 19 vaccines in the USA.
after dismissing my data above from the same source.
As to your pubmed studies - your first citation is to a modeling study that leads with this caveat - "However, a complete experimental evaluation of Omicron might take weeks or even months." It then goes on to say " Omicron may be over 10 times more contagious than the original virus or about 2.8 times as infectious as the Delta variant." which has been widely report in the mainstream press, and no one is debating here. Going to the actual article, in the results section we find this - "In general, it is essentially impossible to accurately characterize the full impact of Omicron’s S protein mutations on the current vaccines in the world’s populations." Seems to me that drawing gran conclusions on that study would go against what the authors are warning about. The entire rest of their analysis focuses on the monoclonal antibody treatments, and with some compelling results that they may need to be updated. Which again, no one is disputing.
Your other study is pre-press, meaning it has yet to be peer reviewed. Given the number of pre-press studies that have been retracted over the last two years relating to COVID, I'll wait until they are done to see if it holds up.
The refusal to accept the legitimacy of an election on the part of those who lost.
A framing not unlike the Southern states seceding from the union to protect states rights . . . to continue to enslave human beings. The two are inextricably linked. Just like the attack on the Capitol is inextricably linked to the failure to accept the election results.
No clearly the violence wasn't the issue. I suppose the attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power wasn't the issue. Or the violence in service of trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
I enjoy reading substantive differing view points who are willing to show their work. which is most of the regulars around here.
I detest the intentionally intellectually vapid, and those who think owning the libs in some high art form. But sparing with them has two benefits - I get a better sense of what the issues really are, and I sharpen my sword. They may not care, but I do.
I'm a scientist. I don't like letting bad data or data free arguments purporting to have data slide. Sure I'm feeding a troll, but I'm also providing our more intellectual readers something real to latch on to.
Besides, he/she always stops once i get a certain number of numbers posted.
Though Ahmari would probably be surprised when he gets attacked for being Persian and his wife for being Chinese by the White Supremacists
Seems related to
The primary issue in the United States is still racism. A lot of people do not want to believe that their fellow citizens can see white, male, heterosexual, and at least nominally Christian supremacy as being a material interest. A lot of people do not want to believe that there is truth to LBJ’s quote on how the lowest white man will empty is pockets for you as long as he is higher in the pecking order than a black or brown person.
In that a LOT of people cling to the belief that all this is hurting some "other" and won't come back to hurt them.
The 2019-2020 flu season is believed to have killed between 24,000 to 62,000 Americans. so far, the 2021-2022 flu season is estimated to have killed 1,100 – 3,200 Americans.
I didn't coordinate my submission with anyone. I doubt Michael did either. I suspect the editors may have thought it was fun to juxtapose the titles, but beyond that I am not aware of any explicate plan. I submitted mine Friday; it was published early monday which is about the turn around I've seen so far on my articles.
Excess Deaths at this point is massively confounded with “Excess Deaths caused by the Vaccine”
How many people have died after getting a vaccine?
Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.
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Nice to FINALLY see what appears to be peer reviewed science on this.
Three things stand out to me - first this is used as a prophylactic not a treatment. Second, this is a prescribed dose under routine medical monitoring. That's vastly different then ordering it off Amazon and trying to mix a dose in your kitchen. Third - we still need to be cautious. The Journal is a relatively new open access journal with a really low impact factor - meaning its work is not cited by a lot of other journals, and few really well respected scientists publish in it - yet.
I hope there is more peer reviewed science to come - we do need a variety of treatment and prophylactic options for this globally.
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I'd say they are following the science since it appears that these treatments are less robust against Omicron then against Delta - which is probably what I had. I don't think this is unexpected, though I do think it means the Administration needs to lean harder on developing monoclonals that can be more easily adapted. Such a development would help move this from pandemic to endemic.
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Wow.
Just, wow.
Tell me - when the dictatorship comes, and I get hauled off for reeducation, will you cheer? Will you gloat?
Because last I checked, I'm as real an American as you are, both by birth - or so the Constitution tells us - and by my desire to see a better stronger America.
71% of Americans want Congress to keep investigating the attack. 41% approves of the job the president is doing. I know its hard to conceive, but Americans - all of us - are capable of holding both those beliefs at the same time.
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In this you and I agree - and no matter what Mitch McConnel hints at there won't be a warm welcome for him the today's GOP.
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The fact you continue to believe libs aren't aren't real Americans is telling.
That aside, "real Americans" do care:
You don't get to those sort of numbers with just libs, whether liberals are real Americans or not (hint - they are).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bowmanmarsico/2022/01/05/new-polls-on-january-6/?sh=7dcd5a8c1816
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I got it after being fully vaccinated but not boosted. I spent the first 24 hours in bed - before I got tested - and then about 14 hours after until my session of monoclinal antibodies. That stuff worked - which was good because 48 hours after I got them, Hurricane Ida came a wooshing overhead, and I needed to be mostly there for it.
I'm part of a voluntary study Johns Hopkins is doing on longitudinal outcomes of COVID so I get surveyed every quarter on my symptoms etc. That will be very interesting when it's published.
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Long-Covid is a thing, as are a whole host of post-infection problems. Like you, many of those problems occurred in individuals who were not vaccinated. One of the things that's really worrying form a public health perspective is whether, and to what degree, those long term side effects will present after Omicron.
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From whom did you expect that "leadership" to get pushback? Gov. Newsome got recalled for his handling of COVID - which while laughably unsuccessful as a politicla maneuver is still not a null data set.
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As yes, filtration vs. masks.
Bazinga!
Or some such . . . since we apparently can't do this and, we must all do this or . . . .
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I'm aware, and that a lot of places are tracking outbreaks by sampling municipal sewage. Which has also been widely reported . . . I sure would love to know where you are going with this?
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The harm is he does it again. And again. And again. Plus he can introduce legislation - he did so on his voting rights alternative. Which the Republicans he kept negotiating with promptly filibustered.
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Troll on brother man, troll on.
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your numbers suggest Flu deaths at 620,000 per decade from flu (on average). We've had 890K deaths in two years from COVID.
Perspective dude. 2 years means a lot of COVID deaths.
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I cite the CDC all the time. So far none of it has gotten me nixed. SO that may not be your problem.
I've read the fecal studies. They aren't cited because they haven't pointed to a significant impact. Nice try though.
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that howbad site is hilarious. Yep it has data, and told me my dose 1batch (which is written on each your vaccine card each time you get it) had:
DEATHS - 35
DISABILITIES - 43
LIFE THREATENING ILLNESSES -53
If your friend is really a biomedical statistician, they will tell you what the probability of death is by comparing those numbers to the batch size used. I don't have that data, so I won't go further down the rabbit hole. It's hilarious to me that you'd so tout a website that says
after dismissing my data above from the same source.
As to your pubmed studies - your first citation is to a modeling study that leads with this caveat - "However, a complete experimental evaluation of Omicron might take weeks or even months." It then goes on to say " Omicron may be over 10 times more contagious than the original virus or about 2.8 times as infectious as the Delta variant." which has been widely report in the mainstream press, and no one is debating here. Going to the actual article, in the results section we find this - "In general, it is essentially impossible to accurately characterize the full impact of Omicron’s S protein mutations on the current vaccines in the world’s populations." Seems to me that drawing gran conclusions on that study would go against what the authors are warning about. The entire rest of their analysis focuses on the monoclonal antibody treatments, and with some compelling results that they may need to be updated. Which again, no one is disputing.
Your other study is pre-press, meaning it has yet to be peer reviewed. Given the number of pre-press studies that have been retracted over the last two years relating to COVID, I'll wait until they are done to see if it holds up.
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I've put sources in nearly all my posts. It might help your case if you did the same.
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The violence was instigated in service of
A framing not unlike the Southern states seceding from the union to protect states rights . . . to continue to enslave human beings. The two are inextricably linked. Just like the attack on the Capitol is inextricably linked to the failure to accept the election results.
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Wow.
Just Wow.
No clearly the violence wasn't the issue. I suppose the attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power wasn't the issue. Or the violence in service of trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
Do you ever actually read your own stuff?
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I enjoy reading substantive differing view points who are willing to show their work. which is most of the regulars around here.
I detest the intentionally intellectually vapid, and those who think owning the libs in some high art form. But sparing with them has two benefits - I get a better sense of what the issues really are, and I sharpen my sword. They may not care, but I do.
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I'm a scientist. I don't like letting bad data or data free arguments purporting to have data slide. Sure I'm feeding a troll, but I'm also providing our more intellectual readers something real to latch on to.
Besides, he/she always stops once i get a certain number of numbers posted.
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Seems related to
In that a LOT of people cling to the belief that all this is hurting some "other" and won't come back to hurt them.
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The 2019-2020 flu season is believed to have killed between 24,000 to 62,000 Americans. so far, the 2021-2022 flu season is estimated to have killed 1,100 – 3,200 Americans.
So it would seem you'd loose your wager.
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I didn't coordinate my submission with anyone. I doubt Michael did either. I suspect the editors may have thought it was fun to juxtapose the titles, but beyond that I am not aware of any explicate plan. I submitted mine Friday; it was published early monday which is about the turn around I've seen so far on my articles.
Correlation doesn't imply or equal causation.
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And Damon wants to troll us by equating the two.
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https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/
We've lost 889,197 to this disease. Quit it.