13 thoughts on “The Master Debaters (Not)

  1. Don’t get me wrong, even if Joe Biden dies, his corpse would be a better choice for President than Trump and I can well believe that Biden was the Democrats’ best choice. The part I don’t get is why, in 2024, he is their best choice.

    Bill Clinton, Bush the Younger and Donald Trump were all born in 1946. Biden was born in 1942. For that matter, look at the birth years of failed presidential candidates in that period: Bush the Elder (1924), Al Gore (1948), John Kerry (1943), John McCain (1936), Mitt Romney (1947) and Hillary Clinton (1947) . What that means is that with the sole exception of Barak Obama (born 1961), every realistic candidate for President has come from the same age cohort, if not the previous one. Assuming the winner of this election lives through their term, this one generation will have held power for 36 years.

    This clearly isn’t just an issue for the Democrats, because the Republicans have been following the same playbook, still it is very strange that there is essentially an entire lost generation of American political leaders at his point.

    I mean, this isn’t the worst problem the Presidential selection process has (that would be nominating Donald Trump), but it is a problem that US politics has had almost no fresh blood at the high level for over 30 years.Report

    1. I don’t know how things are in your country, but in the US everyone hates the boomers. They’re the bullying golden child of history who left every institution worse than they found it. They don’t even like their generation.Report

      1. That’s the thing though, it’s not just that you keep nominating boomers, Wikipedia puts the boomers from 1946 – 1964. The nominees I listed above aren’t merely boomers, they’re right at the oldest edge of boomers. Hell some of them aren’t boomers because they’re too old to be (including Biden). Even Obama is a boomer, he’s just at the younger end.Report

        1. It’s more like we nominate the least-boomery people we can. We’ll do 1946 if we have to, but no one born in the 1950’s gets near the office. But also, yeah, we have a high level of contempt for Clinton, W, and Trump, considering how often we elected them.Report

  2. “what seemed to me like a recurrence of his stuttering problem several times”

    I don’t think you or anyone believes that. Stuttering doesn’t make you forget what you’re talking about then blurt out “we fixed Medicare”. Stuttering doesn’t get worse as you get older after decades of public speaking. Stuttering doesn’t make it hard for you to walk to a podium.Report

    1. Oh, hey, he’s still repeating the “8.2% tax rate” lie to promote his idiotic mark-to-market tax. People overlook this because Trump’s constant BSing makes him look better by comparison, but Biden really does lie quite a lot; he just does it more strategically than Trump.Report

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