24 thoughts on “About Last Night: Trump Wins Iowa

  1. Iowa during a cold snap rewards the candidate with the most devoted followers because it’s hard and time consuming to vote.Report

  2. Trump got something 97% of the vote as the incumbent in 2020. Roughly 50% of the delegates choosing someone else this year leaves me mildly optimistic about November. A lot of these people are pretty turned off by Trump’s behavior, and would prefer an alternative.

    With that said, the pull of Team Red is strong, and conservatives especially have an amazing ability to undertake all sorts of mental gymnastics in order to justify an R vote.

    My hope is that as we see a tsunami of details coming out on classified documents and Jan 6th this year, will that tip them into the Never Trump category, but that’s a tough one to see right now.Report

    1. Good to see you checking in, Mike.

      If, and it’s a big if, Trump underperforms due to those kinds of factors, my guess is that it isn’t going to show up in the polls. I see it as very unlikely that many Republicans disillusioned by Trump would actually go out and vote D in the current landscape. However it’s possible they might forget to show up on election day for the general in a few key places. This isn’t a prediction at all, just a thought on how it might play out.Report

      1. Yeah, at this point, the two biggest IF factors for me in the general are A) Will Republicans circle the wagons after Trump gets the nomination and B) How much does Palestine hurt Biden among the Far Left and Gen Z?

        With that said, Trump lost nearly 50% of his votes from 2020, so that is worth considering. Really curious to see what happens in NH.Report

        1. I’m sure R’s will circle the wagons… the question is how many will fade away and just vote down-ballot like we saw in 2022. None of the R folks out this way would ever actually vote for Biden, but some will just not vote for Trump.

          Which is why I’m expecting campaigning on Negative Partisanship to go to 11 this cycle (or are we at 12 now?).

          I’d like to say that Biden is just normal enough to give some R’s enough cover to give Trump a pass, but this isn’t 2020 and I’m not confident Biden has it in him any more.

          My contrarian take is this: if somehow Trump inconceivably wins, it will be the Left’s ‘excite the base’ strategy that does it. If ever there was an election to *not* excite the base, this is it. Let Trump campaign on getting out the Base, that will suppress enough votes for him to lose.Report

          1. I agree on people not voting for Trump, but not voting for Biden either. I see that a lot her in KY because we always go red, so they can stand on principles and still see their team win, but tell everyone it wasn’t their fault he is a turd.

            Biden has to thread the needle because Millennials are not excited about him at all and GenZ is pissed about Gaza. Both groups see him as too old. So he has to do something to get them hyped up without alienating moderate conservatives that might switch teams. My money would be on legalizing weed in October.Report

        1. I think that’s the right decision but of course I would.

          I am curious what’s going to happen with the chunk of my relatives who fall more into the holdover/traditional Republican camp, especially the women. Not that it matters given that most of us live in safely blue places, but it makes me wonder if their discomfort with Trump couldn’t be extrapolated to places it may be much more important. Very hard to say.Report

    2. MIKE!

      There’s also this weird ability of Trump to get people to vote who didn’t vote before. It doesn’t translate to other candidates and it can only be overcome by someone like Biden promising a return to normalcy… (Well, assuming that Hillary Clinton wasn’t historically awful at this, anyway. If you assume that she’s pretty competent, it can only be overcome by someone like Biden making promises about getting back to normal.)

      But Biden beat him last time so no problem.Report

      1. I could definitely see Trump rallying the immigrant vote (nobody is more xenophobic than the last group off the boat). But that is offset by his deportation plans.

        Things are getting interesting!Report

          1. The Latino vote isn’t all that unified. Eg, when the LA Times asked its readers to suggest an alternative to Latinx, the overwhelming majority who responded said Mexican-American. I’m sure you’ll get a quite different answer in Miami or New York City.

            It goes almost without saying that an “All America” survey isn’t particularly useful. How’s the Latino vote in Arizona, or Nevada, where it can make a real difference?Report

            1. More importantly, how are they voting down ballot?

              Its easy for people to respond to a survey by saying they don’t care for the presidential candidate, but that doesn’t tell us anything about their political views.

              Hispanic voters are not uniform and there are significant differences between Cubans, Chicanos, and those from Central America, and also between more recent immigrants and more established or native born.

              Generally speaking, however, Hispanic voters in Congressional and statewide races prefer Democrats, and as a general demographic, are younger and more liberal than the Republican demographic.Report

            2. The LatinX community was polled in Arizona and the article about it is atrocious (from December 7th! Last month!). Here’s the conclusion:

              Vice President of Operations Sylvia Manzano said one third of Arizona Latinos eligible to vote next year were not part of the state’s voting electorate when Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016.

              “So it’s a very different group of people who will be coming to the polls in the next year,” Manzano said.

              The survey also found that most Arizona Latinos don’t believe that Democrats or Republicans care about their community.

              Does it mention what the poll results were? OF COURSE NOT. Seriously, this is malpractice.

              As for Nevada:

              Trump and Biden are underwater with Hispanic voters in Nevada. Biden’s favorability is at 45 percent, while Trump is at 33 percent — though still higher than leading GOP hopefuls Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, both with favorability around 27 percent.

              In a head-to-head, Biden beats Trump among Hispanic voters 50.3 percent to 36.9 percent, with 12.7 percent undecided — a significant advantage, but also well behind the 60 percent he won in 2020.

              So, like, it’s possible for either player to capitalize on a huge freakin’ mistake, holy cow, I can’t believe how bad that mistake was! made by the other.

              Who can go the longest without screwing up worse? My money’s on Biden but I’m not sure that hiding in the basement will work half as well as in the 2nd half of 2020.

              Maybe we’ll get a new covid variant and it’ll help.Report

          1. I originally started using it during my conservative days, and it was meant to lean into the idea of all Republicans being evil, mustache-twirling, bad guys. Now it doesn’t feel so funny.Report

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