Star Wars Episode III, The War on Terror, & The Wars To Come

Anthony J. Constantini

Anthony J. Constantini is writing his Ph.D. on populism and early American democracy at the University of Vienna in Austria. Previously he received an M.A. in Arms Control and Strategic Studies from St. Petersburg State University. In 2016 he was the War Room Director for the NRSC.

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  1. Chip Daniels says:

    So many questions…

    What exactly IS the “war on autocracy”?
    Where do we see it being waged?

    Is there a difference between a “struggle for rights” and a “war on autocracy”?Report

  2. Philip H says:

    Our unelected bureaucratic class does not truly put democracy first. After all, they’re not elected; it wouldn’t be in their interest.

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    One of these things is not like the other one. We serve under administrations of both parties. Discuss.

    And wars on ideas are not necessarily as clear cut as the framers of those conflicts would like you to think they are.

    The wars waged so far by the US on Fascists and autocrats are actually quite clear cut. Fascists and autocrats are evil people. we fight them to eliminate the evil.Report

    • Damon in reply to Philip H says:

      “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

      Pledging something and actually doing what you pledge are two different things….Report

      • Philip H in reply to Damon says:

        What would it take to convince you that federal bureaucrats actually take that seriously?Report

        • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

          Most of them likely start out taking their oath seriously, but they’re not lawyers, and they have to make a lot of decisions without strong guidance from Congress, or a sense of what would be best for the country. And at some point a career becomes about maintaining the current system (“passing along institutional knowledge” or “promoting people you know you can work with”). Power tends to corrupt, even bureaucratic power.Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to Philip H says:

          “What would it take to convince you that federal bureaucrats actually take that seriously?”

          Oh, the problem we have is not that you don’t take your oath seriously.

          The problem we have is that you think taking that oath seriously means that if people don’t like what you do then it’s the oath’s fault and not yours. “Don’t blame ME, blame the Constitution, which I took an oath to serve, so help me God.”Report

          • Slade the Leveller in reply to DensityDuck says:

            Isn’t that what Supreme Court justices say in their opinions all the time?Report

          • Philip H in reply to DensityDuck says:

            Besides me, how many feds do you know? Cause that’s not how we generally roll.

            That aside, nearly all of what we do is mandated by Congress, and the Executive has to take care to faithfully execute the laws and all. You or anyone else not liking it doesn’t men its morally wrong, nor does it mean we are violating the Constitution.Report

            • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

              Weren’t you recently arguing that Congress shouldn’t try to pass specific laws but should leave the judgment calls up to the agencies? (Sorry if this was someone else.)Report

              • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

                NO – I was arguing that Congress passes laws all the time telling agencies to do something, and to do so within all the other laws and regs they have passed. We were discussing it within the context of the belief that Congress can’t/shouldn’t delegate writing of regulations to agencies, a discussion that grew out of the unfounded belief that the Clean Water Act didn’t tell the EPA to regulate water.Report

        • Damon in reply to Philip H says:

          I believe that they do take it seriously, at least when they swear or sign to that effect. Whether they do so during their every day job duties is another issue.

          My experience in the gov’t contracting world indicates that people often don’t do what they are supposed to do: They are carless with classified documents, they send emails in which they admit to knowingly breaking company/gov’t policy, they follow direct instructions from superiors to violate company/gov’t policy, and they knowingly do not speak up when they become aware of others violating company/gov’t policy, in violation of gov’t/company policy…..

          Humans gonna human. Compliance is a constant struggle. Gov’t workers aren’t any different than corporate in that regard.Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Damon says:

            This is true and correct, but if we insert this statement into the original essay to which Phillip was responding we get:
            “Our unelected bureaucratic corporate class does not truly put democracy first. After all, they’re not elected; it wouldn’t be in their interest.”

            Which is inarguably also true. But it prompts the question of OK, so what does this imply for our voting and policy choices?Report

          • Philip H in reply to Damon says:

            Gov’t workers aren’t any different than corporate in that regard.

            Not true at all. We have zero profit motive, which is why we bristle at the constant drive to make government efficient instead of effective. I’d also point out that federal civil servants can’t legally direct or manage contractors -and we actually get in trouble for doing so. The contractor who does Machine Learning on my team can’t take a request directly from me – I have to send it to my COR, who has to send it to the contractor site manager who has to send it to him. I have little direct control other then approving invoices.Report

            • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

              This strikes me as unfamiliarity with the private sector, since most corporate workers aren’t held responsible for profits. I also don’t like the implication of superiority.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

                Corporations have profit motives, and while individual workers are not responsible at the one person one job level, workers are indeed held responsible. Its why when revenues decline layoffs below the C Suite are common. companies fire less profitable workers.Report

            • Damon in reply to Philip H says:

              It’s not the profit motive, it’s the fundamental nature of bureaucracy. An organization’s goals are not necessary the same as the entire agency, or company, or stockholders, and sometimes are in direct conflict. A reasonable example: You’re under budget and approaching the end of the financial year. It you don’t spend your budget, you get less next year, so you go and buy stuff you didn’t really need. Yep, a trope, but I’ve seen it happen, and it happens a lot.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Damon says:

                it does happen – and it stems from the appropriations calendar being so f’d up without an changes to acquisition deadlines. Meaning that holding my funds hostage until march or April and then requiring me to obligate them all by August prevents sane planning. Ad in the absurd time to acquire things (often measured in years before a contract is let) and no the system doesn’t foster good decision making. Sadly, that mostly not on the executive, and when we’ve approached Congress about it, we tend to get rebuffed. All perfectly Constitutional mind you.

                And in my organization, when we have unobligated funds – as organizational policy we forward fund our contractors and our university research partners rather then buy “toys.” We’d rather keep the brain power intact.Report

              • Damon in reply to Philip H says:

                “And in my organization, when we have unobligated funds – as organizational policy we forward fund our contractors and our university research partners rather then buy “toys.” We’d rather keep the brain power intact.”

                That’s an excellent example of what you SHOULD be doing. Kudos.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

          Plenty of ways to take a thing seriously.

          “I keep 90% of my oath 100% of the time and the other 10% of it 90% of the time!”

          Take these three statements:
          “I take my marriage seriously!”, the person asserted.
          “I take my job seriously!”, the person asserted.
          “I take my vacations seriously!”, the person asserted.

          Don’t know about you, but I am only certain that the person who said the third and I are defining words pretty much the same when it comes to the statement in question.Report

  3. Burt Likko says:

    From the OP:

    Now, the Joe Biden administration is going bigger: a war on autocracy, which, instead of being centered on the Middle East can now be spread to…well, anywhere. You are with democracy—i.e., the latest progressive trends—or you are with fascistic autocracy. There is no in-between.
    [¶]
    In response to Anakin’s “If you are not with me, then you are my enemy,” Obi-Wan responds with an unknowingly hypocritical, “Only a Sith deals in absolutes”—which is itself, of course, an absolute. Even at the end, he failed to realize the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order and lost focus on what truly mattered.

    If there is a War on Autocracy going on, where exactly is the middle ground between the absolute positions? Am I supposed to accept some autocracy mixed in with my democracy?

    For purposes of storytelling, it’s easy enough to see the Jedi Council versus Palpatine conflict in Episode III as a clash between Lawful Evil and Neutral Good. For purposes of allegory, it’s a reminder that when we evaluate politicians and their use of power to change the law, procedural formalism is not a proxy for moral gravity.Report