15 thoughts on “The Looming Double Failure of Putin’s Mobilization

  1. I’m thinking of Stellen Skarsgard’s line to Jared Harris in Chernobyl: “You humiliated a regime which exists to not be humiliated!”Report

  2. I think we should be careful about too much wishful projection into the psyche of the Russian people. We shouldn’t kid ourselves that the average Russian in the street sees the world the way the West does. At the same time it’s hard to see how the government spins this positively. My guess is that the Russian state may be in the process of learning what we did in Vietnam- that being that you can’t do wars of choice like this in the modern world with conscripts. The expectation is that it’s handled by professionals.
    Any backlash is less about the sovereignty of the Ukrainian state or anger at the ideology and closer to the fear and confusion one would feel at being asked to do some really dangerous job without any qualifications.Report

  3. The US got rid of the draft for a bunch of reasons… how to put this nicely…

    Some of the reasons were based in deonology. Some were based on a crude utilitarian calculus.

    Putin is likely to learn things that the US learned back in the 70’s. As will the Russians in general. And, God help us, the Ukrainians are going to learn some of those things too.Report

    1. I have no idea what we learned from deonology but I doubt Deontology had much to do with Nixon’s cynical ploy regarding ending the draft:

      Nixon thought ending the draft could be an effective political weapon against the burgeoning anti-war movement. He believed middle-class youths would lose interest in protesting the war once it became clear that they would not have to fight, and possibly die, in Vietnam.

      https://www.politico.com/story/2012/01/us-military-draft-ends-jan-27-1973-072085#:~:text=Nixon%20thought%20ending%20the%20draft,and%20possibly%20die%2C%20in%20Vietnam.Report

      1. The main thing we learn from deontology is that you need to add nuance lest it turn monstrous and at some point where you’re playing with the knobs you add enough nuance that it becomes vulgar utilitarianism.

        “Back to virtue ethics!” some say. “But those don’t scale well”, the deontologists point out.Report

      2. I’m sure that’s a large part of the reason the US army is all volunteer, but there are other benefits as well. Armies seems to go through cycles over the centuries where sometimes mass conscripts are best and sometimes small professional armies are best. We’re currently in a “small, professional armies” part of the cycle, and I honestly doubt the US Army would have much use for draftees.

        The US army’s doctrine is very costly per soldier and requires infantry with a high degree of skill and coordination, you can’t just slap rifles into peoples’ hands and expect them to carry it out.Report

  4. If the reports are correct; Russia recruits are expected to bring their own medical supplies and their own winter gear. They’re being dropped off at the front line without food or shelter.

    The idea that the Russian winter will be harder on the Ukraine and the West looks questionable.

    Putin seems to be looking to WW2’s Stalin for inspiration. Russia lost 15% of it’s population during that one. So yes, the actual plan is to send in lots of cannon fodder until they win.

    Presumably the way this works in practice is whites in Moscow will get deferments and ethnic minorities will not. Witness protesters being sent off to the front lines.

    Ideally Putin’s political opponents (or non-supporters) get sent off to die and he’s better off for it.Report

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