10 thoughts on “The Department of Good Things

  1. Seems almost inappropriate for me to say that this was an awesome post.

    The whole “the purpose of a system is what it does” criticism has, itself, a number of criticisms but it makes sense to look at what a system actually accomplishes and then say something like “a jobs program with zero deliverables? Is that really what we wanted to end up with?”

    I’m 100% down with improving education for everybody. Universal literacy! Cuba pulled it off! We should be able to pull it off! Let’s look at the trendlines over the last few decades.

    Oh no. Oh no no no.Report

  2. “the federal bureaucracy decided to solve the problem by creating more federal bureaucracy. ”

    They had plenty of bureaucracy that was perfectly capable of finding the guys in question, but A) that would involve collection of intelligence against persons legally residing in the United States, and the 90s were a time when we decided that sort of thing had extremely serious privacy concerns and should be curtailed unless there was a clear-and-present-danger situation; and B) Clinton didn’t want anyone looking too hard into where he was putting his wiener and felt that knackering the NSA’s practice of tipping the FBI was a good way to address that.

    So for a variety of reasons we couldn’t just go back to the way it used to be, which is why we needed a new outfit to handle it.Report

  3. Gary Tan is talking about California’s attempt to force California’s universities to water down math standards here.

    I mean, if your goal is to get more people accepted to college and more people to graduate from college, making it so that you don’t have to know algebra to get into/graduate from college will open doors for the millions who can’t do algebra.

    But then you go back and wonder “why did we want college graduates?”

    And part of it had to do with needing a quick and dirty way to signal “this person is capable of doing algebra”.

    So in answer to the question “Don’t you want more college graduates?”, my answer is “yes, but no.”Report

    1. The “We hate algebra 2, pre-calc, and most especially calculus” folks aren’t ever going to stop coming. Nor are they going to allow substituting discrete math and algorithms, which might make sense. No, they’re going to teach them enough probability and statistics to make them seriously dangerous.Report

  4. Who gets to decide whether a Department or a law failed in its intent or not?

    The Department of Education is also about enforcement of various provisions of the Civil Rights Act as they apply to schools and universities including but not limited to, making sure that the girl’s softball team has adequate funding and it isn’t all just funneled to Friday Night Lights. Also the DOE provides guidelines and support for parents of children with special needs in the public school systems. Shutting the DOE is just going to make it harder to educate children with special needs.

    Basically, a reject JB’s premise and framing of the issue and it gives too much good faith to Trump and Co or right-wingers.Report

    1. Who gets to decide whether a Department or a law failed in its intent or not?

      Well, can we discuss what we’re shooting for?

      If what we’re looking for is stuff like “our purpose is to provide union jobs to middle class people”, we can look at this or that school and say “we are succeeding!” or “we are failing!”

      And if the goal is something like “We want 39% of our students to be able to pass a literacy test”, we can see if we’ve got 40% or more or if, seriously, literacy is a very difficult concept and can we really say that a person is “illiterate” (a slur, by the way) just because they aren’t good at taking Scantron tests? We shouldn’t be judging people on whether they are good at reading Harry Potter books and JK Rowling is a bigot and I don’t know why you’re in such of a hurry to sell more of her books to vulnerable children.Report

    2. For what it’s worth, if the biggest education problem we were facing was too much money for Girls’ Softball was being siphoned off to Boys’ Football (American), we wouldn’t be having this discussion.Report

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