
[I put this post up on my personal site, Might Stain Your Shirt, on March 10. I wrote it as an exercise, tossing around thoughts with a mind towards what might come. It may have come. I’m not certain what actual moves will be made in the direction of invalidating Biden’s pardons beyond a Tweet, but just recently Georgetown Law School got behind amending the Constitution by the same, so what do I know?]
Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey wants the Department of Justice to look into Biden’s autopen signed Executive Orders. It’s a powder keg lying about in an unruly political moment. Biden may not have been a full-time nullity, but we know the fire fighters in the press kept things quiet, passed off doddering as a stutter, and when presented with evidence they were supplying questions ahead of time to administration officials and other enabling acts, stood very, very still. How often he was out wasn’t something we were worthy of being told.
We knew there was an issue from watching the basement campaign and all its lids. Now most of the Lawrence O’Donnells are pretending they had suspicions, but didn’t know, know, y’know. Tread lightly, implications, national interests, unless we were absolutely certain. In the last few months, I’ve been told “some” suspected in the weeks leading up to the debate. After a time, “some” didn’t argue when the Hur Report was referenced without pushback. Water testing underway, recollections of meetings from 2021 were talked about openly, then meetings from 2020 where it was understood how the campaign would handle their guy, keep the world from noticing the stutter. The smart set bravely bread-crumbing that they were oblivious to the obvious, or that others – better if it’s others – in their industry conspired to maintain the biggest con… a “since” comparison doesn’t spring to mind.
We’ve probably got a few more months of reputation jockeying before we can throw away the qualifiers without getting drawn into a side argument about whether people throughout history were able to register when another person – one not even a relative – was slipping before certified doctors were invented to certify decrepitude. The Tapper subspecies of Lawrence O’Donnells isn’t on the attack as it was a few years ago.
The Missouri AG isn’t going to be the last asking about the legitimacy of all those Biden autopenned orders and whether the signing button was pressed with or without presidential knowledge. This matters immensely. I’ll indulge a dorm room argument about the elasticity of delegation, but in the end, if the EO was stamped without the President’s knowledge, whoever was involved needs to be tried for whichever of “sedition” or “treason” has usurpation of the national right to select representation wrapped up in it.
A president doesn’t have to be there for the autopen signing. Bush II got a thumbs up from the Department of Justice about using it to remotely sign bills into law, rather, if I understand it, than executive orders, but never exercised the ability. Obama did at least twice that I’ve read about: once to extend parts of the Patriot Act and again to extend Bush tax cuts, from France and Hawaii respectively. There isn’t any question as to whether the President can get a lackey to press the enactment button.
I’d be surprised if a president can delegate decision making about whether to sign. I can’t make an argument to why he couldn’t, though. All I’ve got is fear that if I keep asking, I’ll come up with “Why not?”
I understand that in almost all cases presidents don’t write the actual orders. He’d dictate the shape, but there’s a lot of rent seeking to be done making sure lawyers are required to interpret what the thing says. So, he gets a hankerin’ to direct, off to the JD encryption engine, and back to his desk. I doubt there’s any requirement that he reads it before approving. It’d be irresponsible not to, but there’s no monitor insisting niceties are observed. If a president told an aide he was sick of hearing Billy Ocean songs in elevators and wanted an EO banning Ocean’s infectious blending of calypso and soul from all federal building lifts, as Billy would say, the aide wrote it up, handed it over with a “Here’s your ‘Get Out of My Car’ ban, Mr. President,” and the President signed it without reading, no one would bat an eye.
A remove further would be “Do something about the elevator music and us the machine. Don’t bother me about it.” I don’t like that much delegation, but I suspect it happens and can envision a decent defense of it from a creeping/slippery slope angle.
I don’t think that’s the line of Inquiry Andrew Bailey is prodding the DOJ to pursue. At least that’s not the angle the bloodthirsty mob on my Twitter/X timeline wants. The hope is that a history of autopen use lends credence to the idea that a mentally inept president was cover for all manner of unelected adventurism, that staff took advantage and indulged personal policy whims with cover. Good luck proving that.
Speaker Johnson’s interview with Bari Weiss may have given the miscreants cover. Per Johnson, Biden clearly had no memory of signing a liquid natural gas ban though there was an order issued. That tells me and everyone else who’s been watching what we already knew: Biden wasn’t in charge. It doesn’t tell us whether or not Biden okayed the order. All we have is an incident of forgetfulness from a man who puts a mid-morning lid on the day. Anybody who snuck one in has a plausible a claim to having gotten approval. Biden can’t reliably deny anything.
I fully believe Biden’s was a Regency period: a council of aides and family with an occasional opportunist slipping something in knowing that any recrimination or consequence risked bringing the house down. But they can always say they had a nod from the President.
If there was presidential approval, even sundowny are-you-my-son approval, I don’t think there’s a road to prosecute, much less invalidate the orders.
According to the Constitution, so long as you are elected, not born overseas, have lived in country for fourteen years, and are at least thirty-five years old, you can be president. That’s it. There’s no “of sound mind and body” clause for good anti-schemer reasons. If being out of touch – slightly or full-blown Jello Pudding smeared and calling everyone “Frieda” – were any type of disqualification we wouldn’t have need for the 25th Amendment and all it’s increments.
A diagnosed lunatic can be elected president. “Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress” submits a written declaration of Presidential incompetency, the amendment states, the ball gets rolling. “Or other such body” seems dangerously open and I’m left in interpretational limbo as to whether the VP is only necessary with officers or also a needed component of the Congress and whoever category. Once written and delivered it’s up to Congress, specifically this time, to decide the fate of the Executive.
There’s nothing mandating that a stark raving madman be removed, only that he can be. Congress isn’t bound. If they want to be dicks about it – maybe the President is from the minority party, they’re past ballot change deadlines, and the majority senses an electoral win if he stays put – they can let him eat all the oatmeal he wants, secure in the Oval Office.
Per the Constitution, a barking madman elected to the presidency is a barking mad president. That’s for the best. We don’t need competing diagnoses deciding who is Commander in Chief. The crafters left interpretable terms in the 25th. “Unable” and “inability” are a playground for claims and counterclaims, but there’s no triggered removal.
The long and short of it seems to be that, if your aim is to have Presidential EOs invalidated, and it’s actual laws Biden signed that would be the real and eventual target, you should have to prove there was no executive input, and pity the aide left holding the ball if you can. Presidential competence isn’t what matters. Did he say “Ok-k-k-k-kay” is what matters.
Oh good God.
Sometimes I think you and Isaac and Koz and Jay all sit around in a group chat and try to find the most out in right field beyond the bleachers thing you can come up with to invalidate a president you don’t like. All because the current guy got investigated and indicted and tried by the state of New York (and then convicted) of actual crimes. So we must make the last guy as bad.
Look – Trump wants this all to be scripted reality TV where every day he’s vanquishing an enemy. He’s as much as said so. Why give these rambling gs any more credence the that, especially when no one can bother to out evidence in the table?Report
Would Jake Tapper’s new book count as evidence?Report
Does it contain specific descriptions of specific incidents that can be verified independently? Like would it corroborate the Autopen signing pardons he didn’t know about accusation?Report
I don’t know. It is scheduled to be released on May 20th, according to Amazon. You can pre-order it here.Report
Anybody could have written this essay this morning.
It takes *INSIGHT* to have written it a week ago. Well done.Report
Were an EO narrowly tailored to prohibit the playing of “Get Out Of My Dreams, Get Into My Car,” specifically, on all Federal properties, I would wholeheartedly endorse it, even if it came from the current guy. I’d urge a successor President to leave the EO in place, and urge Congressional ratification of the EO into statutory law.Report
Hope and Change we can all rally around…Report
In the last century, I was in a jazz group that played coffee shops and local festivals and such, and we did an arrangement of that song. I continue to believe it’s a great tune, and will vote for anyone who vows to fight such an Executive Order!Report
“According to the Constitution, so long as you are elected, not born overseas, have lived in country for fourteen years, and are at least thirty-five years old, you can be president. That’s it. There’s no “of sound mind and body” clause for good anti-schemer reasons. If being out of touch – slightly or full-blown Jello Pudding smeared and calling everyone “Frieda” – were any type of disqualification we wouldn’t have need for the 25th Amendment and all it’s increments.”
The lede was buried good and deep in this one.Report
Yeah.
I like how this site keeps talking about things that are objectively, factually, incorrect at every possible level. They are wrong about observable reality (Biden had slowed, he was not even vaguely at the level of mentally incompetent), they are wrong about the actual laws (A president merely has to grant pardons, not sign them, and the courts have held that autopen counts as signing anyway) and the actual constitution (It matters not one bit how mentally competent he even was! It doesn’t matter if he was asked to pardon and literally didn’t understand the question and just nodded! He was the President, and while the president, he could do it!)
And yet, not only did that take over the Open Mic, but now we have an actual front page article on it.Report
I am not one bit surprised that this is what OT has devolved to. What’s left of the commentariat outside you, Slade, CJ, and Saul would sooner die then admit TFG is a danger to America. So articles like this are approved because the give the people what they apparently want:Report
They’re approved because they are written.
Write a guest post! Spend 750 words explaining how we are deep in Weimar and the Hitler Youth are singing “Tomorrow Belongs To Me” down at the beer garden and people are singing along instead of setting Teslas on fire.
We’ll remove any ableist slurs and schedule it up.
Seriously: You have no idea how much power there is behind merely being able to throw 750 words together.Report
You know what? Fine. I just wrote something. How do I get it in here? I assume I have to make an account?Report
Email it to me and I’ll submit it under guest posts.
If you don’t want to do it that way, email Andrew Donaldson and he’ll do it.Report
And your email is where?Report
Any given post of mine has an author’s bio at the bottom but here it is: AskJaybird-at-gmail.comReport
Oh man, I was hoping you were going to say that the ability to figure out an email address to send to was a prerequisite for submitting a guest post – “you must be at least this smart to ride”.Report
I *WANT* guest posts.Report
OK fair enough but this didn’t strike me as a particularly difficult puzzle. But to that end, the “please contact one of us” link on the Guest Posting Policy page is prompting for a login — I assume that’s an error and not round 2 of the qualifying process.Report
Ah, that’s something we probably need to kick up to one of the grownups.Report
Right after they’re done fixing that and republishing the site, you can let them know there’s an issue with the Masthead page too.Report
Yeah, I went through that entire process too. The link on Guest Posting Policy page is confusingly to http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/masthead/ , with a www, which seems to want you to sign in. (www used other places redirects you to without.)
Without the www, like you get if you to Welcome / Masthead, you get the broken [show-masthead] page.
And at that point, I just decided to ask.
Anyway, I will email it tomorrow. I assume normal HTML.Report
“not only did that take over the Open Mic, but now we have an actual front page article on it.”
Write a post of your own, then.
Or maybe just run away and never ever come back here. I promise that we will miss you a whole lot.Report
AND ANOTHER THING!
You’re complaining that people were talking about a thing in the open thread that you didn’t want to talk about.
You’re complaining that someone wrote a post about a thing that you don’t want to talk about.
Seriously. Contemplate that.Report