Bull-DOGEing Government

President Donald Trump hosts an expanded bilateral meeting and working lunch with King Abdullah II of Jordan and his son, Crown Prince Hussein bin Abdullah, Tuesday, February 11, 2025, in the Cabinet Room of the White House. (Official White House Photo by Daniel Torok)
To begin with, I have to wonder whether DOGE has the legal authority to be doing what it is doing. For starters, the Constitution gives the president veto authority over congressional bills, but that is not what is happening here. There is no constitutional veto over spending money that Congress has already lawfully appropriated. What Trump and Musk are arguing for is a back-door, extraconstitutional veto of congressional spending that the Administration does not agree with.
In fact, there is a statutory law, the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, that backs up the absence of this constitutional authority to defy Congress by not spending appropriated funds. Likewise, there are civil service laws and collective bargaining agreements that ban the summary dismissals of federal employees without cause. DOGE apparently lacks constitutional and statutory and managerial authority to enact unilateral cuts across the federal government.
I also wonder why an organization that is supposedly targeting fraud and waste in government does not include forensic accountants and finance experts. While there are reports (or at least speculation) that DOGE is using AI to ferret out government waste, haven’t we seen enough evidence of the flaws in current AI models to be very skeptical of this approach?
If the the AI assumption is accurate, it might explain some of the more boneheaded moves by DOGE that we know of so far. For example, numerous outlets report that several hundred employees of the National Nuclear Security Administration were summarily fired, some reportedly losing access to email even before they were notified of their dismissals. The DOGE team apparently had no idea what these employees did and when it learned of their highly specialized and necessary skills in reassembling and securing nuclear weapons, it scrambled to hire them back.
There’s an old saying that before you knock down a fence, you should learn why it was erected in the first place. That seems like good advice for going through federal agencies with a HR buzzsaw as well. Personally, I think that nuclear security is a pretty important function, but DOGE apparently didn’t even stop to ask “What would you say you do here?” a la the hatchet duo from “Office Space.”
And then there are the recent reports of cuts at the FAA as well. It has only been a few weeks since the tragic midair collision at Washington National in which FAA short-staffing may have played a role. Now the DOGE cutters are targeting the aviation safety agency. While the cuts have reportedly exempted air traffic controllers, they have targeted “probationary” workers who maintain air navigation and radar systems.
We can speculate that DOGE fired the “probationary” employees because it thought they were new hires who might not be covered under civil service rules. As an air traffic controller explained on the platform formerly known as Twitter, that isn’t necessarily the case. FAA employees can be probationary in a new role, but still be longtime employees who would be covered by civil service laws.
The birds-eye view of federal programs by DOGE may also explain why the pseudo department cut funding for students with disabilites in public schools. The story from Spotsylvania County (Va.) Public Schools was that designed to help students “transition” from high school to adult life. Again, there is some speculation here, but it may be that DOGE cut the Charting My Path for Future Success program because it thought the program paid for sexual transitions.
Regardess of your position on sexual transitions, whether the federal government should be aiding disabled students, or even whether the Department of Education should exist, if this money has been appropriated by Congress, DOGE has no right or authority to terminate the program. That’s up to Congress.
Finally there are the claims of massive savings from DOGE. I think it’s safe to be skeptical of how much DOGE claims to be cutting, but even if we take the claims at face value, they won’t be anywhere near enough to save America from a debt bomb. Let’s do a little math.
By definition, DOGE can (theoretically) only cut discretionary spending, which is subject to annual appropriations. Mandatory spending, such as that for entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare (yes, Virginia, they are entitlements) is automatic based on existing law.
But discretionary spending only accounts for about 27 percent of federal spending. Going further, discretionary spending includes things like defense spending, which at $806 billion in 2023, is the largest discretionary category. You don’t think Trump and Musk are going to cut the defense budget, do you? Me neither, especially with invasions of Gaza and Greenland on the calendar.
We could cut the entire non-defense discretionary budget (about $894 billion) and we still wouldn’t eliminate the federal deficit (about $1.8 trillion). In practice, such draconian cuts would be insane. We need things like air navigation, highways, and nuclear security.
Even progams like US AID and funding for disabled students aren’t something for nothing. Foreign aid, about one percent of the entire federal budget, not just discretionary spending, is a key component of soft power that both engenders goodwill and provides markets for American products. Helping disabled teens “transition” to independent life as adults may keep them off of federal entitlements and contribute to the greater economy.
The bottom line is that anyone who tells you that we can cut our way to solvency by only trimming nondefense discretionary spending without touching entitlements is lying to you. Neither party has the stomach for entitlement reform but that is where the fiscal crisis is.
And if Trump, Musk and the Republicans are sincerely concerned about the national debt, why are they planning more tax cuts and an increase to the debt ceiling? (Remember that MAGA Republicans opposed raising the debt ceiling with a Democrat in the White House.) While a tax hike wouldn’t be popular (unless you’re talking tariffs which most Republicans don’t seem to understand are taxes), maybe more revenue cuts aren’t a good idea if you truly want to trim the deficit.
If nothing else makes you skeptical of DOGE and leery about the group’s competence, consider Musk’s claim that numerous 150-year-olds are collecting Social Security. Musk has yet to present evidence of even a single person who is or claims to be 150 years old on the SSI rolls, but the speculation is that Musk’s claim is rooted in a misunderstanding of COBOL, the computer language that the Social Security database uses. You’d think programmers and audit experts would be aware of such details. (I did see one Trump supporter online who unironically cheered the data, saying, “What a post-Covid rebound for American life expectancy rates! ANOTHER TRUMP WIN!!!”)
So if DOGE isn’t really about cutting waste and trimming the budget, what is it about? One of my best guesses is that it is about trimming programs that Donald Trump and Elon Musk don’t like. As one meme put it, “DOGE isn’t finding fraud, they are finding things they don’t like and calling them fraud.”
But there are going to be unintended consequences with this approach. The most obvious is that as DOGE happily rips down federal fences, it is going to rip apart things that we need. When flights start getting delayed because navigation facilities are inoperative or worse yet, the staffing cuts cause a crash, we may find out that we really did need those FAA workers. The consequences of leaving gaping holes in our nuclear security could be far worse, and who knows what else being cut that we don’t know about?
More mundane but no less important, Trump and Musk are destroying the foundation for congressional compromise. Why should opposition parties (and Republicans will one day again be the opposition party) cooperate to pass laws if they know that DOGE-like entities will cut out the minority’s programs with an ex post facto fiscal veto? They wouldn’t, and such unlawful, one-sided cutting makes it less likely that Congress will do its job and compromise on much-needed fixes.
The DOGE cuts are not about trimming the fat. They are about emasculating Congress and empowering the president. DOGE is another step towards an authoritarian executive.
An additional big question is what the relationship between Trump and Musk really is. Again, I can only speculate but in the video of the two DOGEbuddies in the Oval Office, Trump did not come across as an alpha male. The president mostly sat quietly with his hands folded as Musk monologued while his son with a name that looks like computer code told Trump, “I want you to shush your mouth.” (I think much of the nation identified strongly with little whoever.)
And then there is the question of DOGE’s access. A federal judge recently granted DOGE access to sensitive data at several federal agencies even though the group has been accused of posting classified data online. DOGE is also seeking access to an IRS database of personal tax information.
Again, we don’t know what DOGE is doing with this data and we don’t know if the DOGE staffers have had background checks or hold security clearances. We do know that a DOGE staffer was caught reposting white supremacist content. Republicans circled the wagons to bring him back after he was dismissed and now Gavin Kliger is the staffer who will have the keys to the IRS computers. That story does not inspire me with confidence.
Yes, I have questions about DOGE, but there is a definite oceanic odor to what I know about it already. No, DOGE doesn’t add up.
A great many lawsuits are already on the way as a result of DOGE’s activities. I think a lot of DOGE’s work will get undone because it lacks legal and constitutional authority to do what it is doing.
But even if the courts stand firm, it’s impossible to unbreak eggs. And needlessly breaking eggs is an expensive endeavor these days.
We may never know exactly what DOGE is up to. It may take years to discern what the not-accountants are doing under the hood of federal computer systems, and we will probably be discovering the unpleasant consequences of their rushed and ill-considered cuts for a very long time. I can guarantee, however, that it is about power, not about trimming fraud and waste.
A WORD TO THE OPPOSITION: It is a dark time for the Republic, but I am gratified that the opposition has remained peaceful and nonviolent. I hope it stays that way.
First, the courts are working. Trump has been in office for less than a month and it takes time for cases to wind their way through the legal system. In his first iteration, Trump had the worst record at the Supreme Court of any president in the last 100 years. I am certain that will continue, but it takes time.
Second, I think Trump wants the opposition to get violent. He wants to bust heads and invoke the Insurrection Act and crack down on the opposition.
Don’t give him what he wants. Work within the system.
I’ve spent year talking about how you can’t cut your way to solvency in the discretionary side of the account. I guess it’s a good thing someone finally listened.
Beth d that this is all a big graft. Dennis Kucinich talks about how DOGE is gonna bring g sanity to the defense industrial complex. Which is laughable because Elon now controls payments for his defense contractor competitors. No way that ends well.
The savings part is the most pernicious amusing part – DOGE’s X feed is supposedly littered with statements about contracts being abrogated but the Savings table of the website still says the receipts are coming. Good coders they may be – but a simple adding function that dumps to the website seems to evade them.Report
Finally there are the claims of massive savings from DOGE. I think it’s safe to be skeptical of how much DOGE claims to be cutting, but even if we take the claims at face value, they won’t be anywhere near enough to save America from a debt bomb.
If you agree that the debt bomb is coming, we have to figure out something to prevent it (or kick it down the road until it becomes the problem of the next generation).
If the argument is that DOGE shouldn’t be making these dinky penny-ante cuts, I’d say that if you don’t have the stomach for the penny-ante stuff, you’re *REALLY* not going to like the high roller cuts that might be necessary.
Assuming a debt bomb, of course.
We’ve all heard the quip that politicians always talk about Waste, Fraud, and Abuse and then find out that America is an old-folks’ home with a military.
And if that’s the case, we then have to deal with the truly unpleasant tasks of means-testing, lifting caps, making cuts, and maybe considering offering euthanasia to unproductive eaters.
Or maybe just kick the can down the road enough so that somebody else has to figure that out.Report
I think this is all fair enough but a credible conversation is only possible when it excludes tax cuts.
DOGE is fairly criticized as unserious until such time as Trump/the GOP drop those from the budget proposal.Report
Oh, yeah. The tax cut thing is always nuts. I’m down with the whole “Laffer Curve” thing but, at this point, that argument feels like the buildup to a rug-pull.
But if I wanted to defend all of the penny-ante crap that DOGE is supposedly saving us from and arguing that it’s only a few billion here or there, I would argue that this argument should wait until July or August and not happen right around the time that people are starting to collect their own tax paperwork and sit down with Turbotax.Report
“And if that’s the case, we then have to deal with the truly unpleasant tasks of means-testing, lifting caps, making cuts, and maybe considering offering euthanasia to unproductive eaters.”
I remember our big Health Care Reform discussion where I was assured that it’s okay to decide that it would cost more to keep people alive than they’re worth, so long as it’s the government doing the deciding.Report
Please don’t use a cynical prediction on my part as a reason to condemn folks. At this point, “that’s not happening” is true.
Wait for the “that’s not happening” to become “but that’s good though” first.Report
It seems to me that the Trumpian strategy, such as it is, is shambling into view now and it is, well, rather underwhelming as far as I can see.
“Same old, same old” seems to be the core of it. The GOP in congress is trying to slash spending on the poor then give tax cuts to the wealthy that eat up any such savings twice over. All while yapping disingenuously about the perils of debt.
The Trumpian innovations to this time dishonored republican strategy appear to be mostly vestigial:
-DOGE is going to barge around breaking things and making a great deal of noise in domestic matters.
-Trump is going to barge around breaking things and making a great deal of noise on foreign policy and trade matters.
For DOGE the point, if there is one at all, is to generate a lot of red meat for the base and then just mumble quietly and forget it all happened when the courts reverse it. There’s definitely a degree of experimentation here: how much can court orders be ignored? How much damage can be made irreversible before the courts weigh in? How much red meat can be found that will please the base or even turn the heads of the low info voters (odds look good that the answer to the latter is “not much”).
For the Trump stuff, who the fish knows. Is he just a puppet of the Chinese and Putin? Does he have any follow through at all? If he keeps cranking up the uncertainty what’s he going to do when the market tanks (a note: keep hiking the uncertainty and the market -will- tank eventually. More even than freeeeeeedom, markets crave stability and predictability)?
For the opposition I have a grab bag of thoughts:
-Delegate: All this DOGE nonsense is likely illegal. The Dems don’t have to directly litigate each matter. Every one of these arbitrary nonsensical cuts gores various peoples oxen- let them each litigate. The “Shock and Awe” idea is to overwhelm the Dems but the Dems don’t have to personally engage each of these attacks. No amount of Shock and Awe will distract each disparate group of folks who’re being screwed and they all have lawyers.
-The McConnell precedent seems both just and judicious at this point. Oppose. Ignore collegiality. The GOP is going to slink up to the Dems behind the scene and snivel “Oh we hate what Trump is doing, we hate these cuts, sign on to our tax cuts and we’ll decrease the spending cuts by, oh, *eyelash flutter* maybe half? Then we don’t have to be held hostage by the conflicting wings of our own contradictory mandates.” Refuse. If the GOP wants to make these policies law make them do it with their own members alone. They have the power to do so in strictly numerical terms. Make them do it themselves. Absolutely no bipartisan cover.
-The preponderance of probability suggests that polite unyielding refusal will make the GOP push collapse. If it does then be ready to offer votes for a wildly different policy: Cage DOGE, muzzle Trump, either continue current funding/taxing levels or, if you really want to tackle the deficit then take all tax cuts off the table and add tax hikes instead. The deficit is actually a problem and a serious bipartisan effort to tackle it would be well timed in the economic cycle and would, strategically, be a good thing to do under a Republican President and trifecta.
-In the very unlikely event the GOP stands firm, slashes spending on the poor massively and cuts taxes then the next thing to do is filibuster. The Dems can’t filibuster the tax cuts and spending cuts directly- no. But these cuts will absolutely crush, with both booted feet, huge right wing constituencies. Farmers. Rural voters. Business folk. There will be screaming. The normal Trump MO is to do something that hurts everyone and then rush targeted bailouts to favored constituencies. When his trade wars fished over farmers he rushed bailouts to them. In this scenario reconciliation will have been used up for the cuts. Block and filibuster every attempt at the bailouts Trump will inevitably try and reach for to soothe the people he’s fished. Don’t let him. Make them own this. And if they axe the filibuster to do it? Good riddance.Report
I think it’s legit to look at the apparent waste and mismanagement of government activities and say “this is happening because they’re mostly dumb people doing dumb things, and they got hired to fill out an org-chart and as a jobs program for the Professional Middle Class”.
The thing is, the solution is not just a private-industry style “clear out the dross and let your top performers do what they were hired to do”, because in a lot of cases there’s valid reasons for those dumb wastes of time and money, those are in fact rational responses to the requirements that have been levied against the organization. Here’s an example of something apparently dumb and stupid and wasteful that was in fact an entirely appropriate response to information-security regulations.Report
There’s also the waste that happens due to friction and the waste that happens due to mismanagement.
You ain’t *NEVER* getting rid of the former without a flamethrower. I would be willing to bet that 80% of those employed here will find themselves in a B.S. meeting next week where they think to themselves “this could have been a conversation in the breakroom”.
And that’s fine. If you need to talk to more than two people, you’re never going to find all of them in the breakroom at once so you’d better schedule that meeting for an hour and have it end up taking 12 minutes.
And people who complain about that sort of thing need to work at a place that brags about never having unnecessary meetings for a quarter and boggle at how many balls are dropped and how much work is created by people who should have had a meeting three months ago.
That said: There’s also the for-real-for-real waste that has even democrats like Ezra Klein agreeing that should be cleaned up and the fact that Democrats agree it should be cleaned up means that it’s an opportunity for reaching across the aisle and a bipartisan clean up team.
Now you just gotta get Team Evil to be willing to compromise with Team Good.Report
I agree entirely. Heck, Elons’ Muskrats are like a monkeys paw wish granted to small government libertarians. Not only will a lot of what he’s trying to pull likely fail in court- if/when he fishes up something important it’s the small government libertarian banner he’s waving so that’s what the public will associate with this fiasco. And even if, by some miracle, the Muskrats manage not to stumble across one of the several major electrified rails buried in the stuff they’re blithely rummaging through- everything they’re doing will be reversible with the stroke of a pen and every minion they install will be dismissible in the same way they were installed.Report
I’m…yeah bro maybe you want to examine your emotions on this one a bit.
This is hardly anything libertarians would want. This is keeping the structure and stricture of government in place but taking away the labor that actually made the machine go.Report
Yup, like I said -Monkey’s paw- wish, a wish granted in a manner that makes the wisher regret ever having voiced it.Report
It was clear after the election that Trump with a trifecta was like a chimp with a machine gun. And it hasn’t been even a month now. Just be glad you don’t live in Ukraine or Taiwan.Report