Bull-DOGEing Government

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Philip H
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    I’ve spent year talking about how you can’t cut your way to solvency in the discretionary side of the account. I guess it’s a good thing someone finally listened.

    Beth d that this is all a big graft. Dennis Kucinich talks about how DOGE is gonna bring g sanity to the defense industrial complex. Which is laughable because Elon now controls payments for his defense contractor competitors. No way that ends well.

    The savings part is the most pernicious amusing part – DOGE’s X feed is supposedly littered with statements about contracts being abrogated but the Savings table of the website still says the receipts are coming. Good coders they may be – but a simple adding function that dumps to the website seems to evade them.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    Finally there are the claims of massive savings from DOGE. I think it’s safe to be skeptical of how much DOGE claims to be cutting, but even if we take the claims at face value, they won’t be anywhere near enough to save America from a debt bomb.

    If you agree that the debt bomb is coming, we have to figure out something to prevent it (or kick it down the road until it becomes the problem of the next generation).

    If the argument is that DOGE shouldn’t be making these dinky penny-ante cuts, I’d say that if you don’t have the stomach for the penny-ante stuff, you’re *REALLY* not going to like the high roller cuts that might be necessary.

    Assuming a debt bomb, of course.

    We’ve all heard the quip that politicians always talk about Waste, Fraud, and Abuse and then find out that America is an old-folks’ home with a military.

    And if that’s the case, we then have to deal with the truly unpleasant tasks of means-testing, lifting caps, making cuts, and maybe considering offering euthanasia to unproductive eaters.

    Or maybe just kick the can down the road enough so that somebody else has to figure that out.Report

    • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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      I think this is all fair enough but a credible conversation is only possible when it excludes tax cuts.

      DOGE is fairly criticized as unserious until such time as Trump/the GOP drop those from the budget proposal.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to InMD
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        Oh, yeah. The tax cut thing is always nuts. I’m down with the whole “Laffer Curve” thing but, at this point, that argument feels like the buildup to a rug-pull.

        But if I wanted to defend all of the penny-ante crap that DOGE is supposedly saving us from and arguing that it’s only a few billion here or there, I would argue that this argument should wait until July or August and not happen right around the time that people are starting to collect their own tax paperwork and sit down with Turbotax.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird
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      “And if that’s the case, we then have to deal with the truly unpleasant tasks of means-testing, lifting caps, making cuts, and maybe considering offering euthanasia to unproductive eaters.”

      I remember our big Health Care Reform discussion where I was assured that it’s okay to decide that it would cost more to keep people alive than they’re worth, so long as it’s the government doing the deciding.Report

  3. North
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    It seems to me that the Trumpian strategy, such as it is, is shambling into view now and it is, well, rather underwhelming as far as I can see.

    “Same old, same old” seems to be the core of it. The GOP in congress is trying to slash spending on the poor then give tax cuts to the wealthy that eat up any such savings twice over. All while yapping disingenuously about the perils of debt.

    The Trumpian innovations to this time dishonored republican strategy appear to be mostly vestigial:
    -DOGE is going to barge around breaking things and making a great deal of noise in domestic matters.
    -Trump is going to barge around breaking things and making a great deal of noise on foreign policy and trade matters.

    For DOGE the point, if there is one at all, is to generate a lot of red meat for the base and then just mumble quietly and forget it all happened when the courts reverse it. There’s definitely a degree of experimentation here: how much can court orders be ignored? How much damage can be made irreversible before the courts weigh in? How much red meat can be found that will please the base or even turn the heads of the low info voters (odds look good that the answer to the latter is “not much”).

    For the Trump stuff, who the fish knows. Is he just a puppet of the Chinese and Putin? Does he have any follow through at all? If he keeps cranking up the uncertainty what’s he going to do when the market tanks (a note: keep hiking the uncertainty and the market -will- tank eventually. More even than freeeeeeedom, markets crave stability and predictability)?

    For the opposition I have a grab bag of thoughts:
    -Delegate: All this DOGE nonsense is likely illegal. The Dems don’t have to directly litigate each matter. Every one of these arbitrary nonsensical cuts gores various peoples oxen- let them each litigate. The “Shock and Awe” idea is to overwhelm the Dems but the Dems don’t have to personally engage each of these attacks. No amount of Shock and Awe will distract each disparate group of folks who’re being screwed and they all have lawyers.
    -The McConnell precedent seems both just and judicious at this point. Oppose. Ignore collegiality. The GOP is going to slink up to the Dems behind the scene and snivel “Oh we hate what Trump is doing, we hate these cuts, sign on to our tax cuts and we’ll decrease the spending cuts by, oh, *eyelash flutter* maybe half? Then we don’t have to be held hostage by the conflicting wings of our own contradictory mandates.” Refuse. If the GOP wants to make these policies law make them do it with their own members alone. They have the power to do so in strictly numerical terms. Make them do it themselves. Absolutely no bipartisan cover.
    -The preponderance of probability suggests that polite unyielding refusal will make the GOP push collapse. If it does then be ready to offer votes for a wildly different policy: Cage DOGE, muzzle Trump, either continue current funding/taxing levels or, if you really want to tackle the deficit then take all tax cuts off the table and add tax hikes instead. The deficit is actually a problem and a serious bipartisan effort to tackle it would be well timed in the economic cycle and would, strategically, be a good thing to do under a Republican President and trifecta.
    -In the very unlikely event the GOP stands firm, slashes spending on the poor massively and cuts taxes then the next thing to do is filibuster. The Dems can’t filibuster the tax cuts and spending cuts directly- no. But these cuts will absolutely crush, with both booted feet, huge right wing constituencies. Farmers. Rural voters. Business folk. There will be screaming. The normal Trump MO is to do something that hurts everyone and then rush targeted bailouts to favored constituencies. When his trade wars fished over farmers he rushed bailouts to them. In this scenario reconciliation will have been used up for the cuts. Block and filibuster every attempt at the bailouts Trump will inevitably try and reach for to soothe the people he’s fished. Don’t let him. Make them own this. And if they axe the filibuster to do it? Good riddance.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to North
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      I think it’s legit to look at the apparent waste and mismanagement of government activities and say “this is happening because they’re mostly dumb people doing dumb things, and they got hired to fill out an org-chart and as a jobs program for the Professional Middle Class”.

      The thing is, the solution is not just a private-industry style “clear out the dross and let your top performers do what they were hired to do”, because in a lot of cases there’s valid reasons for those dumb wastes of time and money, those are in fact rational responses to the requirements that have been levied against the organization. Here’s an example of something apparently dumb and stupid and wasteful that was in fact an entirely appropriate response to information-security regulations.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck
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        There’s also the waste that happens due to friction and the waste that happens due to mismanagement.

        You ain’t *NEVER* getting rid of the former without a flamethrower. I would be willing to bet that 80% of those employed here will find themselves in a B.S. meeting next week where they think to themselves “this could have been a conversation in the breakroom”.

        And that’s fine. If you need to talk to more than two people, you’re never going to find all of them in the breakroom at once so you’d better schedule that meeting for an hour and have it end up taking 12 minutes.

        And people who complain about that sort of thing need to work at a place that brags about never having unnecessary meetings for a quarter and boggle at how many balls are dropped and how much work is created by people who should have had a meeting three months ago.

        That said: There’s also the for-real-for-real waste that has even democrats like Ezra Klein agreeing that should be cleaned up and the fact that Democrats agree it should be cleaned up means that it’s an opportunity for reaching across the aisle and a bipartisan clean up team.

        Now you just gotta get Team Evil to be willing to compromise with Team Good.Report

      • North in reply to DensityDuck
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        I agree entirely. Heck, Elons’ Muskrats are like a monkeys paw wish granted to small government libertarians. Not only will a lot of what he’s trying to pull likely fail in court- if/when he fishes up something important it’s the small government libertarian banner he’s waving so that’s what the public will associate with this fiasco. And even if, by some miracle, the Muskrats manage not to stumble across one of the several major electrified rails buried in the stuff they’re blithely rummaging through- everything they’re doing will be reversible with the stroke of a pen and every minion they install will be dismissible in the same way they were installed.Report

  4. Mike Schilling
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    It was clear after the election that Trump with a trifecta was like a chimp with a machine gun. And it hasn’t been even a month now. Just be glad you don’t live in Ukraine or Taiwan.Report

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