Deficits, Debt, and DOGE

Russell Michaels

Russell is inside his own mind, a comfortable yet silly place. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Philip H
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    So want it all burned down. You offer no real solutions to the problems you identify. And you remain convinced that federal civil servants – doing what congress told them to do – need to suffer as a consequence. Got it.

    In other words nothing new. Move on people.Report

    • Russell Michaels in reply to Philip H
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      I offered plenty.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Philip H
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      Imagine that the government is like a forest.

      Sometimes you need significant pruning and removal of the dead wood.

      “So you just want it all burned down.”
      “No, that’s actually what I’m trying to *PREVENT*.”

      California’s wilderness husbandry in recent years demonstrates what can happen when there is a catastrophic failure.

      If you want to prevent that sort of thing, you have to actively cut some stuff away and remove stuff.

      If you’d like to complain that that won’t be as pleasant as pretending that there isn’t going to be a fire someday, you’re right. Pretending that there isn’t going to be a fire someday is much more pleasant than removing dead wood.Report

  2. Slade the Leveller
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    Does anyone recall what happened the last time the U.S. government ran a budget surplus?Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Slade the Leveller
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      The World Trade Center got attacked?Report

    • Russell Michaels in reply to Slade the Leveller
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      Zero debt service was done?

      The post-Cold War peace dividend was largely a farce fueled by the dot com bubble and Clinton willfully ignoring the rise of Islamofascist terrorism.

      Try again.Report

      • InMD in reply to Russell Michaels
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        This is down right hysterical, given we spent at least $5 trillion dollars for the Pentagon to fight ‘islamofascist’ terrorism abroad when at the end of the day all we needed was reinforced cockpit doors and maybe a narrowly defined special forces operation in Afghanistan.Report

        • Chris in reply to InMD
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          The only way to fight Islamic terrorism is to ignore its causes while spending trillions on wars of choice that destabilize an entire region, radicalizing many thousands of young people in the process (and battle-hardening them), and in the end, at least in some cases, result in us leaving with our tail between our legs.

          Meanwhile, cancer research is an area ripe for fraud, and we should halt it completely.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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            The suggestion that we should spend money on good things and not spend it on bad things is risible.

            We need to maintain the status quo at all costs.

            This is what “progressive” means.Report

            • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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              Who gets to decide what’s good and what’s not good? Elon Musk and his coding epigones? I promise you, risible is not how this strikes me.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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                Is it even possible to distinguish between things?Report

              • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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                This is probably your weakest attempt at avoiding a question.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chris
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                It seems like we’re in a place between:

                1. Status Quo
                2. Changing Things

                I can understand the argument that the status quo is preferable to letting Trump be President and letting Elon audit the government. I can!

                But the argument that the government should only change if Good People are in charge of it is one that makes a lot of assumptions that, among other things, fail to take into account the reality on the ground (the reality, of course, includes the whole “50%+1 of people seem to have voted for exactly this” thing).Report

              • Slade the Leveller in reply to Jaybird
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                I went back and reread Chris’ comment and he made no mention of bad or good people. In fact, the 2 things he mentioned were war and cancer research. Let’s stay on point.Report

            • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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              I am against domestic boondoggles. But all domestic boondoggles at least put money in the pockets of Americans, and even the worst of the worst are to some degree defensible on those terms.

              The boondoggles Russel is defending caused untold damage (Chris understates it only because it takes books to describe how bad both wars and related activities were). The money would have been better spent by flying around in a helicopter dumping it out over American cities.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to InMD
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                I absolutely agree with that. And as someone who supported Afghanistan and argued that Iraq was important because the government wouldn’t lie to us about WMDs, I now look back at those beliefs and do a mixture of cringing and kicking myself.

                So now I am willing to look at the spending and, at the very least!, bring sunlight to what is being done.

                There’s a simple heuristic that strikes me as reasonable:

                If this particular spending came to light, would I rather be defending it?

                So to grab an example that is easy: Social Security payments to a 68 year old plumber who retired last year.

                Yes. I would easily prefer to defend that.

                A government payment to an NGO that has 78% overhead costs?

                No. I would easily prefer to have someone else defend it while I attacked it.

                Between those two absurd extremes there is a grey area someplace and I would love to find it, so long as we agree that the stuff on the bad side of the gray area can be cut.

                And if that is *NOT* something that is acceptable to the opposition, I will then shrug and sit back down.Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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                No real disagreement on the principle. This is where I interject that there was a ‘smarter government’ component to the Obama administration. That inclination seems to have been lost in the Biden admin and the unusual circumstances of slow growth and essentially 0% interest on government borrowing that preceded it. I am all for bringing those concepts back.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to InMD
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                Maybe we should ask the Republicans to go back to Mitt Romney and Democrats will support him this time and there won’t be *ANY* Hitler comparisons.

                “Can we go back to the deal we rejected a decade ago?”Report

              • Russell Michaels in reply to InMD
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                Except I gave an example in this very article that there wasn’t.

                Hell, Obama didn’t sign a significant piece of legislation in his final six years in office other than sequestration and a minor tax increase.

                Come on, man!Report

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