2024 Election Day Live Stream, Reaction, Open Thread

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. pillsy
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    :keeps hitting F5 like a lab rat with the cocaine button:Report

  2. Saul Degraw
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    Is this or is this not a Melania body double?

    https://x.com/NYinLA2121/status/1853889956974063963Report

  3. Saul Degraw
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    “This is primarily due to the Selzer poll showing Kamala Harris with a three-point lead in Iowa. We’re not convinced this poll is entirely accurate, but it has given us pause enough to reconsider Harris’s broader standing in the Rust Belt – a region Democrats have polled well in for much of this election cycle.

    Next, we’re shifting Arizona to the Leans Republican column. Donald Trump has led in virtually all polls this cycle, including recent polls. The most recent gold standard NYT/Siena poll showed Trump ahead by four with registered voters; we don’t think he wins by that much, but we do think he broadly has an edge here. At the same time, we’re holding firm on our Leans Democratic rating for neighboring Nevada.”

    Unintentionally or not, this is a good example of herding in action. Selzer has been considered a gold standard pollster for a long time and she has been more right than wrong within the margin of error in elections since 2016. She can still be wrong now and was wrong in 2018 (she predicted Democrats would get the IA governorship). But stating they have doubts is still getting a read between the lines of “But abortion and sexism are girls’ cooties issues, not a serious issues.”Report

  4. Saul Degraw
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    FWIW, whenever Trump writes something like this, I assume things are not looking good for him: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/465698848_10114653023320626_5916772039225456877_n.jpg

    He telegraphs that way if you will.Report

  5. Jaybird
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    Armand Domalewski points out that there are a number of voters out there who are just now finding out that Biden dropped out.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to Marchmaine
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      This is poorly written:

      “Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz took the lead in Guam’s presidential straw poll.

      The Democrat team won 13,510 votes, 49.46% of those cast as of 1:30 a.m.

      Former President Donald Trump and Ohio Sen. JD Vance took 12,624 votes, 46.22%.

      While Guam residents can’t vote for president, Guam votes cast in the presidential straw poll are among the first cast and counted on American Election Day.

      Island voters have predicted the winner of the popular vote for president in every race since 1980.

      Guam’s straw poll only got the 2016 race wrong, when former Sen. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but Trump won the Electoral College vote.”

      So did Guam predict the winner of the popular vote or the EC vote? In 2000, Gore won the popular vote but not the EC vote and Bush II won the straw poll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_straw_poll_in_GuamReport

  6. Saul Degraw
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    Charlie Kirk is a bit panicked: https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-ground-game/Report

  7. Saul Degraw
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    There were reports of Democrats switching back to more in person voting and there is some evidence it is happening. From Ralston:

    “On Election Day 2020, 109,000 Clark County voters went to the polls. Repubs won by 2,000 ballots.

    Today: 84,000 have already voted with 5 and a half hours left and Dems have a 2,000-ballot lead.”

    https://x.com/RalstonReports/status/1853911156026753313?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Clark County is 75 percent of Nevada. Nevada also automatically registers new voters as independents so the lead maybe biggerReport

  8. Michael Cain
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    This is the first presidential election since I had to put my wife in memory care. I’m going to miss cuddling up under a blanket with her and making fun of the talking heads on television.Report

  9. Saul Degraw
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    Stephen Miller on Musk’s thing: If you know any men who haven’t voted, get them to the polls.Report

  10. Chip Daniels
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    Steve M over at No More Mister Nice Blog sums up my feelings nicely:

    My head tells me that Harris isn’t Hillary Clinton and there’s no James Comey or email pseudo-scandal. It tells me that Trump’s ground game has been outsourced to grifters. It tells me that women are furious. It tells me that young boy-men won’t leave the house and go vote.
    But I’m bracing for impact in spite of all that, just in case.

    I’m also bracing for the fact that we won’t be rid of Trump tomorrow even if he loses a blowout. He’ll declare victory in about fourteen hours no matter what the voters did — Harris could be on course to trounce Trump with Obama-in-’08-level numbers, she could be winning all the swing states plus Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Iowa, and he’ll still say he won. If he doesn’t win, he’ll fight to get the results overturned right up to Inauguration Day. So if you’re sick of him, sick of his voice and his bronzer and his bigotry and the disgusting way he pronounces his L’s when he’s trying to be contemptuous and sarcastic, calm yourself, because he might be more of a presence in the next two and a half months than he is even now.

    https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/Report

  11. LeeEsq
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    Trump won Hamilton County, Indiana by 7 points in 2020. According to a poster on the other blog, 2/3rds of the vote are in and Harris has a 1 point lead. That is epic.Report

  12. Marchmaine
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    7.03… who’s president?Report

  13. North
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    Hi all from the Pacific. internet is unreliable, intermittent and only available near shore so I’ll be mostly absent but my thoughts and worthless agnostic (this useless) prayers are focused northward. Best of luck to the Dems, confusion to the GOP.Report

  14. Jaybird
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    NBC is saying that Georgia is too close to call.
    As is North Carolina.
    Fox is saying Pennsylvania is too close to call.

    Polymarket is selling dollars for 32 cents.Report

  15. Jaybird
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    The Needle Is Back!!!

    The NYT is currently projecting the Don to win with 274. But it’s only 6:25PM Mountain Standard Time.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Jaybird
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      Guys, go to the needle and go to the left side and click on “shift from 2020”.Report

    • Koz in reply to Jaybird
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      I’m not looking at the NYT needle but my own personal needle says it’s gotta be Trump 85-90% now.

      Not only is Kamala getting nothing in the Sun Belt but the fact that Trump’s toughest state was N Carolina which fell really easily for him and the fact that Georgia is likely to come in 5+% leads me to believe that we’re seeing a parallel shift (Trump gains everywhere) as opposed to a tilt (Trump gains in the Sun Belt Kamala gains in the Rust Belt).

      And, even if Kamala wins WI, MI, and PA, given what we’ve seen so far you have to think Trump is competitive in New Mexico and he still has chances even without any part of the blue wall.Report

    • KenB in reply to Jaybird
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      Wow, the needle has been going steadily redder since you posted this. I was too chicken to make a prediction but I was mostly buying the last-minute Harris vibes — not looking that way at the moment.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to KenB
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        Up to 296 now.

        I think that the main thing that we keep forgetting is that the vibes are connected. There’s really no better way for me to show this than to look at the “shift from 2020” map so I’d say look at that.

        You have tiny pockets of arrows going one way but, for the most part, you have entire fields of arrows all pointing together. They cover the area like clouds.Report

  16. Marchmaine
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    Iowa just called for Trump. Guess Selzer was a bold outlier.Report

  17. Jaybird
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    Despite the fact that it is a school night, I am now drinking some wine.

    I am doing that so that I do not write an essay.Report

  18. Jaybird
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    Okay, Virginia has flipped from Trumpy, probably to Harrisy, probably.

    NC and GA are Trump’s (probably).Report

  19. Marchmaine
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    Turning in… 216/193 Trump ahead… Blue wall undecided. Rs have 50 senate. House still jump ball.Report

  20. Jaybird
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    Report

  21. Jaybird
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    We probably need to have a talk about the Ann Selzer thing.Report

  22. Jaybird
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    Who wants a Bible verse? Here’s Revelation 3:16.

    “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”Report

  23. John Puccio
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    Real quiet in here.

    Anyone going to do a welfare check on some of our OT superstars?Report

  24. Jaybird
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    Okay. Where we are now.

    It is theoretically possible for Harris to still win. She could, theoretically, get 277 EVs if she wins all of the battlegrounds left.

    The NYT, however, says that it’s most likely for Trump to win ~306 EVs. Which is well above the 270 to win.

    Not only that, he has a likely (but not *VERY* likely) chance to win the popular vote too.

    The bottle is empty and I am close to going to bed and the possibility exists that Harris will still win all of the remaining battleground states and the election officials will find a bunch of votes from overseas and election boxes downtown and whatnot…

    But I will soon be going to bed thinking “Yeah. Trump not only won but Harris definitely lost and now I have to come up with an essay title for an essay that talks about The Boy Who Cried Wolf, The Little Dutch Boy, The Trumpeter Taken Captive, and a story from my mama where she told me that I had infinite rabbit bullets, a handful of wolf bullets, and only 1-2 elephant bullets, and, as such, I needed to make sure of what I was shooting at if I wasn’t using a rabbit bullet.

    But this wine is also very, very good.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to Jaybird
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      So, I guess the question we all have now is who will control the House, and how many times will Trump be impeached if it’s Democrats.

      Actually, first I guess we have the question ‘What happens if the president elect is serving a felony sentence?’ Because the apparent President-elect is going to be sentenced on November 26th on 34 felony counts in New York.

      I wonder exactly how many Trump voters know that, and understand that. I wonder how many Trump voters are motivated by blinding hatred and bigotry, vs. just being completely clueless and negative information voters.

      And the entire news media that has spent years normalizing Trump and pretending things were normal during this slow slide into fascism can burn in hell. Which Trump has promised to put them through.

      I guess we had a republic, for as long as we chose to keep it.

      I don’t know, I’m a little numb right now…I actually had already internalized that the world was doomed thanks to our complete inability to do anything about climate chance, but I assumed we had decades there and I would probably be dead. But now we’re getting unrestrained Trump, and I have to start planning for the personal safety of me and a lot of my friends.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to DavidTC
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        If I wanted Trump to experience consequences, I sure as hell would have had them kick in prior to the election.

        Because the last thing I’d want is to have the whole feeling of “maybe he won the 2020 election too!” floating around out there following some silly consequences following his big electoral win.Report

        • DavidTC in reply to Jaybird
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          The Judge delayed the sentences to ‘avoid any appearance of affecting the outcome of the presidential race’.

          Call me crazy, but I think a candidate being convicted of felonies should, in fact, affect the outcome of a presidential race. I feel while a felony conviction may sway voters, it is indeed entirely proper for that to sway voters!

          I like how we have all these guardrails to make sure the legal system can’t invent bogus charges to sway elections, and very much forgot that sometimes, apparently, candidates can actually be committing a sh*tton of crimes all over the place, and it would really be nice to actually wrap that up conclusively before elections so it _can_ sway them.

          And now we’ve got the opposite problem, the judge is going to know that the person he is sentencing is supposed to be the next president, which a) means he’s going to have to fit that sentence to the circumstances instead of the same sentence everyone would get (And Trump either having to work within it or getting it modified), and b) knows that the convicted will be in a place of power, able to harm him. (And has a history of doing that, and has at this point threatened to do it.)

          I’d call that a conflict of interest except the premise of a conflict of interest is that it’s specific to the person, whereas ‘Trump will be the next president and have the power to harm them if they piss him off by trying to enforce the law against them’ is true for literally everyone.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to DavidTC
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        I wonder how many Trump voters are motivated by blinding hatred and bigotry…

        That’s a “you” thing, i.e. “what you want to think”, rather than a “them” thing.

        For years, there hasn’t been enough bigotry to meet demand. Team Blue has tens of thousands of social justice warriors who want to oppose bigotry and racism. Ergo they’ve needed to invent new forms of bigotry and racism.

        That Blue wants villains to oppose doesn’t mean other people are obligated to think of themselves as that.

        If we need to use “racism” to explain why black men who voted for Obama voted for Trump, then we’re doing wishful thinking and we should find a different explanation.Report

        • DavidTC in reply to Dark Matter
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          I didn’t say racism, I said bigotry, and if you think Black men can’t be bigots, you…well, you’ve apparently never spoken to Black women, for the most obvious example of misogyny.

          Anyway, you chopped off the second half of what I said, ‘or completely clueless and negative information voters’.Report

  25. Brandon Berg
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    Ugh. Not only is Trump going to be the President again, but partisan Democrats are going to spend the next five years being utterly insufferable.

    More than usual, I mean.Report

  26. InMD
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    Oof. Well this should be stupid. I guess we’ll be pressure testing the whole system again.

    Fingers crossed for a D house to at least create some speed bumps.Report

    • North in reply to InMD
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      Yeah all hope lies with the house now. Congrats to the right wingers, they got their dude in. We all get Trump and Trump gets the right whole hog now. I hope, and expect, that our side will take the L like liberals and not like the right, set the contrast stark from the get go.Report

      • InMD in reply to North
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        Of course we will. And if Trump drops massive inflationary tarrifs or blows up the deficit with unfunded tax cuts they’ll only have themselves to blame, yet will likely remain constitutionally incapable of seeing it.

        My long term hope is that the party re-tools itself. Some of this is bad luck with inflation, but we can’t lose to this guy twice in 10 years and not be prepared to do some serious recalibration. The good news is that trends have a way of turning against incumbents, whoever they are.Report

      • Slade the Leveller in reply to North
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        I think Dems are going to fall in love with the filibuster again.Report

  27. JoeSal
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    Now that the lefties have chewed the other guys finger off to get THE PRECIOUS…..it’s time for a lava bath.

    I hear Canada and Mexico are fine places to move to.

    Also remember that unarmed J6 rioters will have jail cells without beds, without clothes, will be beaten and pass food to each other through a toilet to keep from starving.

    Fun times aheadReport

    • DavidTC in reply to JoeSal
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      Yeah, blame the lefties, not the candidate who promised to put Republicans in the cabinet.

      It turns out that the voters who wanted Republicans in the cabinet already were voting for someone who promised to put even more in there.

      Harris promised absolutely nothing, and the American people very much want. The Democrats are too beholden to corporate interest to actually do change, so the American people voted for the liars and lunatics instead.Report

  28. Philip H
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    I was wrong. So SO very wrong.

    Americans want a recession back.
    Americans want concentration camps.
    Americans want me to loose my job and pay for their weather forecasts.
    Americans want a hierarchy based on misogyny, class and race.

    May the odds be ever in your favor.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H
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      You can’t beat something with nothing. Having selected a candidate who is terrible at running for office, you have someone who is terrible at running for office. All of the happy talk about how super qualified she was to be President was somewhat jarring.

      Pick a governor next time.Report

    • JoeSal in reply to Philip H
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      Look at the upside, Cuba is only 90 miles away from America and reflects all your political values.Report

  29. pillsy
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    Well that sucked

    Gonna step away for a while until the urge to pick fights with people whose fault this isn’t passesReport

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