Kamala’s Taxing Policies

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Jaybird
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    “targeted at the wealthy and corporations”

    Sigh.

    “I hope they raise taxes on my landlord! He’s been bleeding me dry, the leech!”
    (Taxes go up on my landlord)

    (Okay… what’s the punchline? We all know it. What’s the punchline?)Report

    • Philip H in reply to Jaybird
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      The punchline is that landlords and other business leaders can choose to take a little less profit and absorb that tax increase or they can and will pass it on. We all “know” they will pass it on but they don’t have to. Its a choice.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
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      This is a fallacy straight out of Econ 101 Chapter 1, Page 1.

      Now lets turn the page…

      Sometimes an increase in costs can be passed on in the form of higher prices, but only if it is being levied equally on all suppliers.

      If your landlord has a different tax situation than his competitor across the street, he may or may not be able to pass the tax increase on.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels
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        To a first approximation, businesses mostly collect taxes as opposed to paying them. There are a ton of fine print and inaccuracies to that statement, but if we’re collecting a lot more in business taxes we should expect higher prices.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter
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          Price increase on eggs are simply passed on to employers in the form of higher wages demanded by employees.

          This is also subject to the “ton of fine print and inaccuracies”.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird
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      The punchline is that these taxes would disproportionately reduce savings and investment by high-income taxpayers, rather than consumption, which slows economic growth and hurts everyone in the long run.Report

  2. Chip Daniels
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    In a few weeks every American voter will be facing a choice between two outcomes:

    One President who will preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and the rule of law:

    One who will work to destroy democracy and institute a corrupt authoritarian regime based on Christian Nationalism.

    Taxes got nuthin’ to do with it.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels
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      True that.

      If I have to give school grades to all of them…

      Harris gets a C+ or so. She’s a generic Blue. She’s missing both outstanding accomplishments and serious scandals. If someone brings solid evidence that she’s been a key Biden aid then I’ll raise that.

      Her VP gets a B. Successful Governor.

      Trump’s VP gets an E or so. He’s either a right wing nut or darn close and he was selected for personal loyalty to Trump.

      Trump doesn’t get a grade because school shooters don’t graduate.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Chip Daniels
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      Have you ever actually read the Constitution? Harris is campaigning on flouting Constitutional limits on Federal and Executive power.

      Is she the lesser evil? Probably, if Republicans win at least one house of Congress, enough to stop her from actually implementing the idiotic ideas she’s campaigning on. But she’s going to continue her predecessor’s policy of governing with open contempt for the actual Constitution, defending only the fantasy version of the Constitution that contains only the parts consistent with Democratic policy preferences.Report

  3. Pinky
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    “In the final analysis, Trump will have both outspent and out-borrowed Joe Biden by trillions.”

    We’re spending about $1T per year more post-covid than pre-covid. It’s more complicated than that, because of inflation, and the debt-to-GDP ratio is probably more important, and that was fairly stable (but insanely high) both pre- and post-covid. The only thing I’ve seen that puts Trump spending faster than Biden is the one you posted. A pox on both their houses – well, not a pox, because we end up spending more during outbreaks, but you get my point. Trump never understood debt, and Biden sure spend a career ignoring it too.Report

  4. Brandon Berg
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    There is a wealth of polling, including this Morning Consult poll from March, that indicates that taxing the wealthy is a popular bipartisan position.

    A big part of this is that people have no idea how high taxes on high-income households are, due to a steady diet of misinformation from low-rent populist demagogues like Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. If you actually asked people how much someone with an income of $X should pay in taxes, rather than “Should rich people pay more taxes?” it’s very likely that, for high incomes, the median would be about the same as or lower than the actual effective tax rates on the very wealthy, which is about 30% of income in federal taxes alone. I’ve only seen one such poll actually done, back in 2012, and the median answer was 25%, presumably including state taxes.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Brandon Berg
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      I think that the big problem is the whole issue of “unrealized gains” is easily gameable.

      Let’s say that I bought some stock back in 2000 for the low low price of $1000. Now, in 2024, that stock is worth $1,000,000.

      It’s insane to think that I should have to pay taxes on that before selling it. That’s absurd.

      But what I *CAN* do is go to the bank and say “hey, can I borrow $500,000? Here’s my stock as collateral.”

      I don’t have to pay taxes on that $500,000 even though it’s based on an unrealized gain.

      And that gaming of the system is going to result in a *LOT* of reshuffling once it goes through the populists in congress.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird
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        Outlaw the loans. That forces the handful of people in this situation to actually have an income with realized cap gains. That fixes the actual problem created by these loans.

        The flaw is it won’t raise anywhere near enough money to do what the gov wants.Report

      • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird
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        You don’t have to pay taxes, but you do have to pay interest. Over 20-30 years, that interest is going to cost you more than just taking that one-time tax hit from selling the stock, which is why I’m skeptical that this is actually practiced all that much, except maybe by people who expect to die within the next decade or so.

        ProPublica’s “expose” heavily insinuated that the richest people in the country were doing this to evade taxes, but the actual data they presented showed that those people were paying quite a lot in income taxes, plausibly consistent with selling stock to fund all their personal expenditures, though of course without knowing what they actually spent, we can’t know for sure.

        Income taxation is actually a pretty lousy tax system. It’s basically a broken consumption tax that taxes future consumption much more heavily than present consumption. The obvious solution is to stop taxing income and just rely on a mixture of consumption and Pigovian taxes.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Brandon Berg
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          There’s “is” and there’s “ought”. This ain’t an “is” problem. We can make a big deal about how paying interest ends up spending more than paying taxes would, but the loan “feels” like realizing a gain.

          And that feeling is going to result in stuff actually changing.Report

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