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  1. Philip H
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    LF1 – Freddie can pound sand.

    LF9 – I’ve been a near exclusive Southwest flyer for most of the last 15 years. This is the first time I’ve ever reconsidered that loyalty.Report

  2. Chip Daniels
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    LF 1
    Freddie seems to have a lack of understanding of how democratic processes work. There was in fact a primary, and a challenge to Biden from Dean whatshisname, but guess what, the voters of the Democratic party overwhelmingly rejected his claim. There was no “rigorous” primary because Dean whatshisname couldn’t put together a rigorous campaign because, again, almost no one except his mom supports him.

    And the moment that Biden dropped out, no one else in the Democratic party wanted to challenge her because yet again, they know that the voters overwhelmingly support her.

    What Freddie is doing here is rejecting the voters.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels
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      A Communist being against the wishes of the people and believing he knows better? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.Report

    • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Chip Daniels
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      I understand the technicalities of primary, but the revisionist history that there was going to be a successful primary against an incumbent president without some real act-of-God type interference is just not reality. Not-Wilson Phillips forgot party politics is a two-edged sword that you have to wield not just by the letter of the law but the spirit of what the party wants. The quick coalescence around Kamala Harris should end all such arguments other than professional chin strokers who ruminate on what might have been. It was going to be Harris, it had to be Harris when taken in context of everything going on, it is Harris.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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        I bet you that Biden told the sensible Replace Biden people that it is Harris or he stays in and the sensible people, who have the money, told the open convention people that they they will pull if it isn’t Harris.Report

        • InMD in reply to LeeEsq
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          Without evidence I don’t see a reason to be that conspiratorial. Not when the decision is most easily explained by ease of transferring donations, lowest risk of some last minute problem with ballots, and lowest likelihood of headaches at the convention. I don’t know why any further explanation is needed.Report

    • Damon in reply to Chip Daniels
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      Actually something I heard about primaries was more interesting that Freddy’s comments…..

      NO ONE VOTED FOR HARRIS. Biden just withdrew, and she “got the nod”. Her name wasn’t on the ballot. I find that line of thought interesting. One caller nailed it….”the powers that be told Biden to bail and anointed Harris.” That’s pretty much happened. The host got all “that’s not a democracy” while I’m thinking…”never was”.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Damon
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        At least here in Mississippi both of them were on the primary ballot for their respective offices. Even if they weren’t elsewhere she’s still the sitting vice president and part of campaign. The only part of the “anti-democracy” narrative that is true is the democrats have no party approved nominee yet, as they have not had their convention.Report

        • Damon in reply to Philip H
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          Yeah, but you voted for Harris as vp, not pres.Report

          • Pinky in reply to Damon
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            They voted for the package. The nature of the vice-presidency is that she could become president, probably has served in that role several times in the normal course of the presidency. I mean, I didn’t vote for Harris, or Biden, or Trump, or Pence, but I wouldn’t question any of them as our president.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Pinky
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              Exactly. The ticket was Biden Harris because they are incumbents. I didn’t receive a GOP ballot since I don’t vote for the GOP so I have no Idea what they did.Report

            • Damon in reply to Pinky
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              Yeah, the host was really being a bit pedantic I think. Besides the key take away from the whole conversation was when the guy said “the powers that be”. That was the key point. The host was under the assumption that we have a democracy is this country.Report

  3. Chip Daniels
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    LF 3:
    LoTRis similar to the Greek myths, in that it isn’t rightwing, but rightwingers love to claim it as their model.

    Which isn’t really surprising since it envisions a world without democracy or the rule of law where the small folk (that would be you and me) exist at the forbearance of the aristocracy (That would be Peter Thiel).Report

  4. LeeEsq
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    Meanwhile, as expected, the Further Left is dusting off the Kamala the Kop memes as a reason not to vote for her. The current excuse for not voting Democratic is that Kamala is apparently the Border Czar and is directly responsible for the plight of the refugees.Report

  5. Chris
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    LF1 just reads like the writing of someone who’s become so accustomed to contrarianism that they don’t know how to write anything else. Primaries are immune systems? What in the hell kind of silly centrist nonsense is that, particularly in a year in which the Republican primary has, for the second time, given them Donald Trump?

    I suspect I’m around more leftists, and a larger variety of leftists, than just about anyone else who spends any time on this site, and I’ve seen a lot of leftist reactions to Biden stepping down and Harris becoming the presumptive nominee (OK, the reactions to Biden stepping down were celebration, 100%, but the reactions to Harris are varied), none of which look like LF1’s, because LF1’s requires both a lack of understanding of how primaries work with incumbents, and because I don’t know a single leftist who considers the candidate selection process of either party to be in any meaningful sense democratic. I mean, is a primary more democratic than the party just picking among a handful of donor- and party-preselected candidates and the weird vanity candidates who like the attention but have no real interest in winning the nomination? I mean, does the Great Basin Desert get a bit more rain annually than the Red Desert? Sure, but that doesn’t make either of them rainforests.Report

  6. Jaybird
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    One thing that keeps showing up is a dynamic like this:

    “I kinda think that such-and-such is kind of hinky.”
    “Why are you outraged?”
    “I’m not outraged? I’m talking about something that I think is hinky?”
    “Are you triggered? Is this due to bigotry on your part or is there some unaddressed trauma that you’re failing to process resulting in your emotional outburst on this topic?”
    “Um… I’m not. I’m critiquing something that I think is hinky.”
    “…How dare you.”

    The whole “you know, it might be nice to have had this hammered out at the convention” *IS* something that a lot of Republican “Concern Trolls” brought up. That’s true.

    That said, it’s possible to wonder if, maybe, there wasn’t a better choice for the upcoming election than Kamala.

    Like, I think that Kamala has a non-zero shot at beating Trump in November and non-zero is a *HUGE* difference from where we were with Biden. *HUGE*.

    But I’m still not sure that the non-zero is big enough to pull it off. It might have been nice to see if Kamala could have survived a Convention.

    But I’m told that there are politicians who would do *GREAT* in a general election but would do poorly in a primary and that Kamala is one of these politicians.

    Okay.

    I am one of those people who was saying that in a choice between “Trump vs. Biden” and “Trump vs. WHAT’S IN THE BOX” that I’d pick the latter because the former was doomed and the latter, while not guaranteed to win, had a shot at winning.

    Well, Kamala is what’s in the box. And, yeah, she has a shot at winning. And maybe a convention would have screwed everything up and fractured the party and taken the party back to an even worse place than when Biden was at the top of the ticket.

    I think that if that’s true, that’s something that I’d rather *KNOW* than *SUSPECT*.

    But maybe Kamala can pull it off.Report

  7. Saul Degraw
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    All the people complaining about Biden being replaced by Harris so quickly sure sound like they have other problems than Trump winning a second termReport

  8. Chip Daniels
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    LF5, and LF3 tangentially:
    There really does seem to be truth to the depiction of conservative men being riven with misogyny and bitterness towards women and that being the origin story of their political orientation.

    People like Trump, Vance, Musk, Thiel, and the whole ecosystem of conservative pundits and commentators like Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Jack Prosobiec and the rest.

    These guys aren’t conservative in the mold of a Romney or Reagan or Bush or Cheney.

    They all seem deeply weird, profoundly disturbed and socially dysfunctional. When you watch videos of them, or even just read their comments, they all have this Uncanny Valley vibe like they are wearing skinsuits and still trying to figure out how a human would speak.

    This is why its sometimes hard to even discuss their political ideas at all, because they are coming from a place where you have to keep shaking your head and asking WTF? WTAF?Report

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