Political Junkies Verses Sports Fans: Who Is More in Touch with Reality?

Hei Lun Chan

Hei Lun is a retail manager living in Massachusetts. His interests include eating, running, video games and board games. He's a sports fan who doesn't watch sports. He's mostly a libertarian even though Facebook ad preferences thinks he's a "very liberal". His Twitter handle is @heilun_chan

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  1. Jaybird
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    One thing that Fantasy Football taught me many years ago is that there are a lot of different levels that you can enjoy football on.

    Level 1: “GO BRONCOS!!! WOOOOOOOOO”
    This one is easy. Turn on the game.

    Level 2: “John Elway is a really good Quarterback. He makes impossible passes.”

    Level 3: “Mike Shanahan is a really good coach. He’s able to turn teams around.”

    Level 4: “The Chemistry between players is strong… the QB works well with the Wide Receiver and the Tight End and the coach is able to put together plays where they all work together.”

    Level 5: Stuff about Defensive Coordinators and Offensive Coordinators and coaching minutiae and knowing where the holes are in the team and hoping for a decent running back in the draft.

    People who are level 1 and level 2 might have a lot of fun listening to the level 5 people arguing with the level 4 people on sports talk radio but the level 1s have the ability to love any individual game that the level 5s seem to have lost.

    Level 1s might even question whether a Level 5 is even a fan of any given team anymore. All they seem to care about is stats and numbers and who even cares whether a defensive coordinator came directly from college ball or if they wandered through the AFC South before settling down with the Broncos. Who cares who the defensive coordinator is in the first place? Are you a football fan or are you a fan of coaching soap operas?

    After Superbowl 50, I had a coworker come in who was ELATED. “We won!”, he laughed. I complained about Aqib Talib’s facemasking incident. I didn’t like the play. Soured the game for me. “Yeah, that was a bad play, I guess”, he said. “WOOOOOOOO!”Report

    • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Jaybird
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      I had to stop playing fantasy football because it was utterly ruining my enjoyment of the games and sport as a whole. I have not regretted this decision one little bit.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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        For me, Fantasy Football taught me about the game. It went from being some weird chaotic thing to me being able to understand the difference between the stuff I previously didn’t know the names of versus other stuff I previously didn’t know the names of.

        There was a real science to it!

        I mentioned this to a guy I know who somehow balances being a #1 with being a #5. He told me “That’s why I always make sure that *ONE* of the guys on my team is a Bronco, even if it’s just the kicker. I never want to find myself in a situation where I don’t care about a Broncos play.”

        My last job was filled with NFL fanatics. There were a lot of ex-military so there were a lot of people who grew up with different teams all sitting in the same lab and so the Seahawks guy and the Green Bay guy would bring up the Fail Mary to each other out of the blue.

        I moved to my current job and the CEO was a HUGE football fan… just not the NFL. He’s a college football guy. I spent years learning how to talk football and, suddenly, my knowledge was all useless.

        “College ball is about the *SYSTEM*, Jay”, he told me.

        I tried to learn a little more about college ball but, man, I quickly learned that the NFL coaching dramas that made it through my bubble as an NFL fan were not merely a spice like I thought they were… they were the dang meal.

        Well, Saban has retired now. I’m vaguely curious whether that changes everything everywhere or not.

        Maybe we’ll find out that now that the single most dominant system in the game, once it loses its best player, has nothing but pale shadows waiting in the wings ready to demonstrate that someone like Donald Trump can swoop in and…

        Wait.

        What are we talking about?Report

        • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Jaybird
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          Somewhere in there we have to acknowledge that online, professionally hosted, monetized fantasy football was just a placeholder for legalized gambling to come forth. Doing the old Yahoo! group fantasy leagues where you still got everyone together for a draft or whatever didn’t migrate to that, but the accusations that FF was a gateway drug to full blow gambling is not without merit. And I was for legalizing gambling on sports; at the same time we can be honest how it irrevocable changes fandom. The fastest way to got from your Tier 1 to Tier 5 fan is having money on the line.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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            Yeah, I’ve never played a pay Fantasy Football league but those guys always struck me as having a MUCH different relationship to it than I had.

            For me, Fantasy Football was a way to make football legible. For them, it was about demonstrating mastery. It was the ultimate “put your money where your mouth is” thing.

            It wasn’t just “first place gets two-thirds of the pot, second gets almost a third, third place gets his buy-in back” thing. The loser had to do a dare. Hold a sign that said something like “I suck at Fantasy Football” at the corner of a busy intersection or something like that.

            Now, *I* think that it’s more fun to watch football and see the handiwork of the coach in a successful running play than to just yell “GO TEE OH!”

            But the “GO TEE OH!” people seem to be able to feel it in a way that I can’t.

            Is betting a way to feel like you care in a way that you used to? If so… man, they need to make that crap illegal again. Fast.Report

            • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Jaybird
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              We have the data that answers that question: Meaningless NFL games are keeping their ratings all the way to the end, even blowouts, because the gamblers have to watch to the end. Folks are invested and won’t turn it off.Report

              • InMD in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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                Fantasy football provides the same kind of incentive. Even in a one sided game that is competitively over garbage time points still matter. It also creates a reason to watch games you might otherwise skip. I think your comment above gets to the heart of it, which is just that officially legalized gambling is the next logical step from fantasy football, at least for those that want to take it.Report

    • KenB in reply to Jaybird
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      I’ve often had similar thoughts of sports convo analogies for some of the discussions here. Here’s one I’ve been sitting on for a while: imagine you and your buddies are watching the game on Sunday afternoon, and at the end of the 3rd quarter your team is down by a TD and is facing a 3rd & 7 on their on 40. And you say “for the love of god, put the ball in the air, don’t get cute and try to run it!”, and your buddy says “yeah but that’s what they’ll be expecting”, and you get into a little argument about whether they should run or pass. But the decision the actual coach is making goes way beyond “run or pass” — he’s got dozens of plays in the playbook with a bunch of variations, and he’s managing a crap-ton of info about his personnel, the opponent’s personnel, his and their tendencies for the whole season, what worked well in practice, what his eyes-in-the-sky is telling him, etc.

      You can have a great time arguing “run or pass” or even get really worked up about it, and maybe when they try a draw and get 3 yards and have to punt, you yell “fire the coach!” at the TV, but it’s all for fun and has practically nothing to do with reality.Report

  2. Wagon
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    I think Nate Silver, in that tweet, has demonstrated that he has zero experience with or knowledge of college football fandom. In every college football fanbase, there are sycophantic fans and homer media who will interpret any criticism of the head coach/program as bad faith. “He’s not a real Michigan Man,” etc.

    I would suggest that if he wants to see the crazy in sports fans in the United States (South American and Euro soccer take the prize), he needs to spend some time around college football. In the name of their team, college football fans do shit like poison trees on the rival’s campus, assault people, make up false stories about a coach having an affair to get the guy fired so they can hire another guy, stalk high school recruits, …. The list goes on and on. And that’s not even touching what the programs themselves do in the name of protecting the coach/team/program. Penn State literally covered up systematized child rape to protect Joe Pa. Baylor covered up multiple rapes to protect their team.Report

  3. Saul Degraw
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    A Republican Strategist concern trolled Democrats yesterday in the Times on why they should dump Biden. I’m inclined to think Democrats should do the opposite of whatever Republicans troll.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw
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      Donald Trump Wants Joe Biden to Stay in the Race:

      After the debate, Trump told Fox News, “Yes, I think he will be the nominee.” Asked about the calls to replace Biden, he said, “No, I don’t think so. They wouldn’t have done any better. No one else would have been better.”

      Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw
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      Liberals aren’t good at trolling because as I mentioned elsewhere, our politics aren’t motivated by spite or the desire to inflict pain on the other side.

      Queer people aren’t out there talking about why straights should be forbidden to marry, pro-choice people aren’t drafting platforms of forced abortions, and civil rights people aren’t writing books about why white people have lower IQs.

      When the tiki torch Na.zis chant “Jews will not replace us!” the liberals don’t respond with “Hell yeah, Jews should totally replace Gentiles!”

      The two camps aren’t symmetrical, and we shouldn’t be.Report

  4. KenB
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    These are good points. Nate’s observation is certainly not new (see eg this comic) but I think you’ve captured why that sort of thinking is so much less apt to survive for long in sports world.Report

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