A Literal Bloodbath?

David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Jaybird
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    MattY pointed out that stuff like this not only points out that journalists are willing to steal bases, these silly stories push out stuff like “Donald Trump is going to gut Social Security!”

    So people focus on whether Trump meant “a bloodbath for American automobile manufacturing” or whether he was deliberately doing a shift and only plausibly denying talking about a Civil War using the cover of what he was talking about 3 seconds earlier.

    And the so-called “liberal” commentators who say stuff like “guys, Trump was talking about auto manufacturing” can inspire true believers to yell “NOT YOU TOO! WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THIS GUY?” and start the cycle anew.

    Politico put out a story yesterday about how Trump uses “jokes” and laughter to normalize his behavior.

    Remember what Harry Potter said in Goblet of Fire: “Constant Vigilance!”Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird
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      I agree.

      Additionally, the maladroit handling of this puts Bidenomics and Team Blue in the rhetorical position of defending China building factories in Mexico instead of the US a’la the Japanese trade wars that had the actual outcome of factories in the US. They could, I suppose, tripple down on NAFTA 2.0 — but the irony is all of these things are political losers. But I’m pretty sure MattY would be happy to write a piece why NAFTA 2.0 would be good actually, so you’d get that as a win.

      On the other hand… which Chinese Car make are you considering buying in 2024 that would savage the US auto industry?Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Marchmaine
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        The Great Wall Wingle 7 is a great little pickup truck that can get us around town and carry the occasional unit of cat furniture.

        To be honest, I think that just having various regulations in place can prevent most of the Chinese cars from being sold in the US. Not secure enough, not enough room for 3 baby seats in the back, not a large enough crumple zone…

        Sorry. You’ll need to add at least $12,000-worth of improvements before you can even think about selling that car on *THIS* continent! I mean, north of the Mexican border.

        That’s the *REAL* thing we need to worry about crossing it.Report

      • Michael Cain in reply to Marchmaine
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        What modest-sized relatively inexpensive electric cars will they consider shipping to the US? Not the kind of electric car that the US manufacturers are falling in love with — massive vehicles that tend to be computers first and cars second and run to $75,000 or so — but a straightforward car with an electric drive train and braking.Report

        • Marchmaine in reply to Michael Cain
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          Good question… If I were a reporter I’d be asking if we’re expecting a transformative Chinese car to enter the market. We might want to lean on China to build those cars in the US and not Mexico…Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Marchmaine
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            With Mexican workers, of course.

            Doesn’t pencil any other way.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels
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              If you want an affordable car, you need to have the cars built by cheap labor.

              I’m sorry you don’t like that but cheap labor is what your lifestyle is built upon.Report

            • Marchmaine in reply to Chip Daniels
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              Sure, but in 2024 they are called Republican voters.Report

              • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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                I’m not entirely sure that’s necessarily the relevant part. We have VW and Toyota assembly all over the country. As Jaybird noted it’s just concentrated in areas that don’t scream racial diversity so much as right to work.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to InMD
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                Yes, my fundamental point is stated in my original post which is that it forces Team Blue into economic takes that are political losers. Trying to salvage ‘Chinese investment in Mexico to compete in the US is better because … think of the racism’ is the irrelevant part.

                Basically I’m begging Team Blue in their attempt to persuade people to vote for their candidate to not be stupid.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Marchmaine
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                Who are you even talking about?

                Like, who is seeing Trump’s comments as somehow “forcing” Team Blue into any sort of position, and who are the people who think this position is a political loser?

                It sounds like you’re doing the Pundit Fallacy where you ascribe your own positions and sentiments to some vague wider group who really don’t even exist.Report

      • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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        In fairness to MattY a significant part of his analysis is that Trump’s policy positions only make sense if he is also either going to massively jack up the cost of living/cause an inflationary spike or reneg on his promises not to cut entitlements for seniors. Chinese cars aren’t popular but neither is inflation or cutting social security. MattY’s gripe is that no one in the legacy media ever asks about or explores it, and I think he’s right that Trump gets let off maddeningly easy on these types of questions.Report

        • Marchmaine in reply to InMD
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          MattY has been begging Democrats to listen to him.

          His Neo-Liberal (self avowed!) takes are fine for what they are… he’s less than useful, however, for navigating a new economic liberalism that isn’t just ‘the things I like best about Neo-Liberalism without dealing with the things we don’t like about Neo-Liberalism’

          So I read him for he rearguard defense, not for his foresight.Report

          • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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            Oh for sure. I would not look to him to be the spokesperson or set the tone.

            But he is absolutely right that some reporter could ask the question ‘What will happen to household budgets when Trump’s tarriffs increase the cost of all foreign made goods by at least 10%?’ Or there could be a headline that says ‘Trump plan would increase monthly expenses on American households by $X/X%’.

            That’s not a patented Yglesias contrarian take that neoliberlism is good, actually, yet no one seems to be doing it, or if they are they aren’t making it a point of emphasis.Report

  2. Chip Daniels
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    No one has ever yet found a boundary Trump won’t cross if he thinks it is in his interest to do so.

    Ordering/ Allowing the murder of American citizens?

    Sure, there is no reason to think he wouldn’t.Report

  3. LeeEsq
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    People should just assume the worst interpretation of whatever Trump says. it will be both accurate and save time. This is a man who tried to engineer a coup after he lost in 2020 and encourages the most vile behavior in his voters. He only appeals to the baser instincts. I’m not sure why anybody would give him the benefit of the doubt when he uses explosive rhetoric and go “oh, he didn’t really mean it” unless they either agreed with him or are too cowardly to see the stakes at hand.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to LeeEsq
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      Probably a more salient question is who would resist versus who would acquiesce.

      If a mob of Proud Boys were to assault and murder an immigrant, who would speak out publicly versus who would keep their heads down and tell us it really is no big deal and besides there was a time when some liberals did something so lets just walk away.Report

    • Pinky in reply to LeeEsq
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      I can understand the position that Trump merits the worst reasonable interpretation from analysts. He doesn’t merit the worst unreasonable interpretation from analysts though. He also doesn’t merit the worst reasonable interpretation from journalists, for both the theoretical reason that it’s not their job and the practical reason that it damages their credibility while improving his.

      As for the argument that Trump deserves this because he attempted a coup, that’s begging the question. It’s saying that Trump deserves the worst interpretation because of the worst interpretation of a previous event.Report

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