A Literal Bloodbath?
Donald Trump set off yet another firestorm over the weekend with a speech in which he threatened – or warned, depending on who you listen to – that America would suffer a “bloodbath” if he was not re-elected. People who are connected with insurrections and political violence would be well advised to avoid the use of the term “bloodbath” on general principles, but was Trump really threatening violence in this case?
As is always the case, it’s a good idea to consider the context when you hear an alarming soundbite. You can hear an expanded version of Trump’s remarks from a rally in Vandalia, Ohio here and read the full context below:
“Mexico has taken, over a period of 30 years, 34 percent of the automobile manufacturing business in our country. Think of it, went to Mexico. China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico, and they think they are going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China. If you’re listening, President Xi, and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal, those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now, and you think you’re going to get that, you going to not hire Americans, and you’re going to sell the cars to us. No, we’re going to put a 100 percent tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars, if I get elected. Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole… That’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”
This is a word salad, but the context of the quote is that Trump was talking about a return to massive tariffs and trade wars, which is bad enough, and then veered into how the US would experience a “bloodbath” if President Biden was returned to office. So the question is whether the “bloodbath” that Trump was referring to was an economic bloodbath stemming from Biden’s quasi-free trade policies or whether he was saying that his supporters would launch another insurrection if he lost another election.
One reason that the remark struck such a sour note is Trump’s history of violent rhetoric. We can go way back to 2016 when he talked about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and 2021 when his demagoguery and fraudulent election claims touched off the January 6 insurrection. More recently, in the same speech, Trump said that some immigrants were not human (“in some cases, they’re not people, in my opinion”) and he has recently called people jailed for January 6 crimes “hostages.” (And a shout out to Mike Pence, who is refusing to endorse Trump and is once again critical of him for the “hostage” remark.)
Trump does not shy away from inflammatory remarks. In fact, he leans into them. Given his history, there is also context for believing that the “bloodbath” remark was a dog whistle to the violent factions of the MAGA movement.
Personally, I tend to think that Trump meant the “bloodbath” reference to be in the economic sense. The lead-in to the remark was clearly talking about the difference between his protectionist policies and Democratic free-trade policies. (That’s a phrase that I once never could have imagined that I would type.) The “bloodbath” is a clear reference to damage to the economy and the auto industry if Trump is not re-elected.
Trump isn’t out of the woods if we acknowledge that the “bloodbath” comment was tied to his economic discussion. The sum total of his speeches gives plenty of good reasons to make sure that he is never allowed near the Oval Office again, even if this was not an explicit threat of political violence. I wouldn’t even allow him to take the White House tour.
Beyond his violent and unpresidented [sic] allusions to political violence and racist imagery, Trump’s delusional economic ideas are bad for the country. MAGA does not understand that “tariffs are taxes,” as even Grover Norquist admits, and taxes are paid by the end user. In the case of taxes on imports, that means tariffs are taxes paid by American consumers.
If we flashback to the Trump years, we are reminded that Trump’s tariffs represented one of the largest tax increases on Americans in decades. The tariff wars with… everyone… brought on a manufacturing recession before the economy went off the pandemic cliff. Whatever revenues were reaped from the tariffs were offset by the massive bailouts that Trump paid to farmers who were being driven out of business by retaliatory tariffs on American exports.
And Republicans cheered for it all.
And yes, President Xi does know Trump. He knows that Trump is not the China hawk that he claims to be.
Trump’s recent TikTok flipflop has demonstrated to Xi that Trump is not principled. He has a price.
Xi also understands that Trump is politically weak. Even if he manages to win re-election, he will have little support in Congress for reigniting the tariff wars. And even Republican support is likely to be tepid since a fair share of the Republican caucus still has free-trade roots hidden somewhere beneath their Trumpist facade. They won’t cross Trump, but they won’t wholeheartedly support him either.
Trump doesn’t seem to be explicitly threatening a literal bloodbath in his Ohio speech, but it’s also not out of the question that he actually would do this. After all, he’s done it before. On at least one occasion, Trump warned if he was indicted that the result could be “potential death and destruction” in a Truth Social post last year.
The media should accurately report Trump’s statements and their context, but MAGA shouldn’t be surprised when violent imagery is understood to be a violent threat. That’s especially true given the recent history of the movement.
If Republicans don’t want Trump to be associated with violence then they should pressure him to tone down his rhetoric (as if any remaining Republicans would dare to criticize Trump). The problem is that Trump uses hate-filled and extremist language because it gets him media coverage, and then he can turn around and attack the media for its bias. For Trump, it’s a win-win.
Trump’s threat to reignite the tariff wars just when the world economy is recovering from the pandemic is bad enough. That should be the focus of the reporting on the Vandalia rally, but that would require more research and explanation on the part of the press and deeper reading on the part of the American public.
Tariff ‘splainers don’t get clicks, but breathless articles about how Trump openly threatens violence do. We get the media coverage that we deserve.
But ultimately, the media wouldn’t be able to report, with or without the correct context, Trump’s latest alarming comments if Trump didn’t keep saying outrageous and even dangerous things. Yes, the “bloodbath” comment was about tariffs, but it also wasn’t.
MattY pointed out that stuff like this not only points out that journalists are willing to steal bases, these silly stories push out stuff like “Donald Trump is going to gut Social Security!”
So people focus on whether Trump meant “a bloodbath for American automobile manufacturing” or whether he was deliberately doing a shift and only plausibly denying talking about a Civil War using the cover of what he was talking about 3 seconds earlier.
And the so-called “liberal” commentators who say stuff like “guys, Trump was talking about auto manufacturing” can inspire true believers to yell “NOT YOU TOO! WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THIS GUY?” and start the cycle anew.
Politico put out a story yesterday about how Trump uses “jokes” and laughter to normalize his behavior.
Remember what Harry Potter said in Goblet of Fire: “Constant Vigilance!”Report
I agree.
Additionally, the maladroit handling of this puts Bidenomics and Team Blue in the rhetorical position of defending China building factories in Mexico instead of the US a’la the Japanese trade wars that had the actual outcome of factories in the US. They could, I suppose, tripple down on NAFTA 2.0 — but the irony is all of these things are political losers. But I’m pretty sure MattY would be happy to write a piece why NAFTA 2.0 would be good actually, so you’d get that as a win.
On the other hand… which Chinese Car make are you considering buying in 2024 that would savage the US auto industry?Report
The Great Wall Wingle 7 is a great little pickup truck that can get us around town and carry the occasional unit of cat furniture.
To be honest, I think that just having various regulations in place can prevent most of the Chinese cars from being sold in the US. Not secure enough, not enough room for 3 baby seats in the back, not a large enough crumple zone…
Sorry. You’ll need to add at least $12,000-worth of improvements before you can even think about selling that car on *THIS* continent! I mean, north of the Mexican border.
That’s the *REAL* thing we need to worry about crossing it.Report
Yes, those regulations are why that sort of vehicle is not already being sold here. Obviously you have the Chicken Tax on small trucks, but crashworthiness regulations in general are a big reason why we don’t have nearly as many mini-trucks or mini-cars as other countries. (YMMV on whether or not this is a good thing.)Report
Yeah, I know.
And it’s a bad thing.Report
What modest-sized relatively inexpensive electric cars will they consider shipping to the US? Not the kind of electric car that the US manufacturers are falling in love with — massive vehicles that tend to be computers first and cars second and run to $75,000 or so — but a straightforward car with an electric drive train and braking.Report
Good question… If I were a reporter I’d be asking if we’re expecting a transformative Chinese car to enter the market. We might want to lean on China to build those cars in the US and not Mexico…Report
With Mexican workers, of course.
Doesn’t pencil any other way.Report
If you want an affordable car, you need to have the cars built by cheap labor.
I’m sorry you don’t like that but cheap labor is what your lifestyle is built upon.Report
Who says I don’t like that?Report
Sure, but in 2024 they are called Republican voters.Report
I’m not entirely sure that’s necessarily the relevant part. We have VW and Toyota assembly all over the country. As Jaybird noted it’s just concentrated in areas that don’t scream racial diversity so much as right to work.Report
Yes, my fundamental point is stated in my original post which is that it forces Team Blue into economic takes that are political losers. Trying to salvage ‘Chinese investment in Mexico to compete in the US is better because … think of the racism’ is the irrelevant part.
Basically I’m begging Team Blue in their attempt to persuade people to vote for their candidate to not be stupid.Report
Who are you even talking about?
Like, who is seeing Trump’s comments as somehow “forcing” Team Blue into any sort of position, and who are the people who think this position is a political loser?
It sounds like you’re doing the Pundit Fallacy where you ascribe your own positions and sentiments to some vague wider group who really don’t even exist.Report
In fairness to MattY a significant part of his analysis is that Trump’s policy positions only make sense if he is also either going to massively jack up the cost of living/cause an inflationary spike or reneg on his promises not to cut entitlements for seniors. Chinese cars aren’t popular but neither is inflation or cutting social security. MattY’s gripe is that no one in the legacy media ever asks about or explores it, and I think he’s right that Trump gets let off maddeningly easy on these types of questions.Report
MattY has been begging Democrats to listen to him.
His Neo-Liberal (self avowed!) takes are fine for what they are… he’s less than useful, however, for navigating a new economic liberalism that isn’t just ‘the things I like best about Neo-Liberalism without dealing with the things we don’t like about Neo-Liberalism’
So I read him for he rearguard defense, not for his foresight.Report
Oh for sure. I would not look to him to be the spokesperson or set the tone.
But he is absolutely right that some reporter could ask the question ‘What will happen to household budgets when Trump’s tarriffs increase the cost of all foreign made goods by at least 10%?’ Or there could be a headline that says ‘Trump plan would increase monthly expenses on American households by $X/X%’.
That’s not a patented Yglesias contrarian take that neoliberlism is good, actually, yet no one seems to be doing it, or if they are they aren’t making it a point of emphasis.Report
Just to add, here’s your perfect anecdotal story on Trump tariffs damaging an American industry, with super sympathetic small business people harmed most, yet I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere other than the local news:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/virginia-distillers-cheer-as-eu-puts-whiskey-tariffs-on-hold-until-2025Report
No one has ever yet found a boundary Trump won’t cross if he thinks it is in his interest to do so.
Ordering/ Allowing the murder of American citizens?
Sure, there is no reason to think he wouldn’t.Report
Yeah, imagine a president doing something like that.Report
People should just assume the worst interpretation of whatever Trump says. it will be both accurate and save time. This is a man who tried to engineer a coup after he lost in 2020 and encourages the most vile behavior in his voters. He only appeals to the baser instincts. I’m not sure why anybody would give him the benefit of the doubt when he uses explosive rhetoric and go “oh, he didn’t really mean it” unless they either agreed with him or are too cowardly to see the stakes at hand.Report
Probably a more salient question is who would resist versus who would acquiesce.
If a mob of Proud Boys were to assault and murder an immigrant, who would speak out publicly versus who would keep their heads down and tell us it really is no big deal and besides there was a time when some liberals did something so lets just walk away.Report
I can understand the position that Trump merits the worst reasonable interpretation from analysts. He doesn’t merit the worst unreasonable interpretation from analysts though. He also doesn’t merit the worst reasonable interpretation from journalists, for both the theoretical reason that it’s not their job and the practical reason that it damages their credibility while improving his.
As for the argument that Trump deserves this because he attempted a coup, that’s begging the question. It’s saying that Trump deserves the worst interpretation because of the worst interpretation of a previous event.Report