“Dune: Part Two” Movie Review

Garrett Stiger

Garrett is an entertainment professional living in the Los Angeles area.

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  1. Burt Likko
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    I saw a sneak preview too, possibly on or around the same time you did. This is a much more thorough vetting than I gave it in a note here, so let me underline agreement with your feelings about Timothée Chalamet occupying the role of Paul Atredies, gently diverge from your assessment of Rebecca Ferguson, and throw out an open-ended question I don’t have a firm response to myself yet:

    Are the great shots in Dune Part 2 actually earned? We earn the T-Rex roaring at the end of Jurassic Park, we earn the use of the James Bond theme at the end of Casino Royale, we earn the contemptuous “Get away from her, you bitch!” at the end of Aliens. Because the protagonists, and the audience along with them, go through conflicts before these signature moments get on screen, and because those memorable moments are related to the delivery of these deeply satisfying cinematic moments, they pack a great emotional punch. A criticism I have of the Marvel superhero movies is that they deliver these good-looking moments but a whole lot of them don’t feel earned that way.

    I intend to see the move again with some other friends who didn’t make it to the sneak preview, so I may re-evaluate after next weekend. For now, I”ll let other fans go enjoy the movie and maybe sound off on my question here after they do.Report

    • Garrett Stiger in reply to Burt Likko
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      I felt as though the great shots were earned, though I wouldn’t put them on the same level as some of the examples you mentioned. Paul riding the sand-worm, for example, is teased at the end of the first film – we see someone riding one in the distance – and then the first half or so of “Part Two” is about Paul trying to fit in with the Fremen. That culminates with, for me, a stunning sequence of Paul goin’ for a ride. (I think something else that distinguishes the “Dune” movies from the Marvels of the world is that human perspective.)Report

  2. InMD
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    I just got out of the movie a little bit ago. Overall I thought it was good but they did not stick the landing at the end.Report

    • InMD in reply to InMD
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      SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

      SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

      SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

      Just to elaborate the decision to have Chani never come around to Paul’s leadership as she does in the book undermined his triumph in the end. I understand the argument for making that change to emphasize Paul’s sacrifice on top of the fear of what he’s unleashing. However I felt like they had already done enough to establish that and not having the two reconcile seemed like a pointless let down. It made me like both characters less and robbed the ending of emotional satisfaction. This is especially stark when thinking about the Lynch film where (IIRC, it’s been a long time since I saw it) for all the screwiness they managed to get that part right.Report

      • Garrett Stiger in reply to InMD
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        This is interesting, I haven’t read the book but while leaving the theater, a friend told me that the ending is usually framed as a positive (I guess he was referring to the book and also other screen adaptations). “The good guys won, a triumph!” I really liked the downer ending here though. It felt kinda daring to me, especially for a mega budget movie, to leave Paul and Chani in that place.Report

        • InMD in reply to Garrett Stiger
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          In the book for Chani it is ‘Irulan will be called queen for purely political convenience and have nothing (not even love), you will be a concubine but have everything (very much including love and devotion)’. It’s set up to parallel Jessica who is Leto’s lover not his wife.

          I don’t think it was the worst decision in the world by any means but for me it fell flat. The structure is classical romance (God-like hero who succeeds), which should include the love story working out. Not that it’s sacrosanct but the paradigm exists for a reason and if you’re not going to follow it you better really knock it out of the park.Report

      • Marchmaine in reply to InMD
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        Didn’t work at all… bad decision for larger reasons.Report

        • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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          I never read further than the first novel but from my second hand understanding of the way the plot continues it creates a very major divergence.

          From a purely watching the movie perspective I wanted the Hollywood ending in the moment. I don’t know if they felt like it would have been too cruel to Irulan (or maybe to Chani?) in terms of how they set her up or what the decision making was. I always found the way it happens in the book (and even the Lynch movie) completely satisfactory in terms of giving the audience what they want with the love story while also being completely consistent with the alien-to-a-modern-reader but normal from a historical perspective nature of politics and government in the Dune universe. This was kind of wtf.Report

  3. Chen Geller
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    Hmmm…

    I think this is of the essence: “I think that comparison [to The Empire Strikes Back] could set folks up for disappointment.” I like this film very much, but frankly I mildly prefer the first part, and not because of any kind of novelty effect.

    Rather, its just that Dennis insistence – in both parts – on instilling this very mystical atmosphere (which, to be fair, is very absorbing) feels a little more counterproductive in Part Two, where there’s this expectation for all these story threads and character threads to come to a head. A series of character introductions or re-introductions have to wait until the 75 minute mark, which is a little far into the movie for my tastes.Report

  4. Marchmaine
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    First the good… I think a director’s *real* license is aesthetic… they have the ability, the gift, and the fun of bringing the vision from *their* mind’s eye of the author’s words to light. DV’s Dune aesthetic is coherent and beautifully shot. I especially appreciated the Harkonnen Black Sun aesthetic which by contrast made an otherwise bleak desert landscape sparkle like gold. I think Directors are ‘entitled’ to this sort of mind palace.

    I’m not, however, on-board with DV’s (idiosyncratic Quebecois*) ‘interpretation’ of Dune. There’s internal tension in Dune between the mystical/religious and the biological/mechanical worlds we inhabit; Frank Herbert was clearly the sort of spiritual, but not religious zen-seeker that people my age used to know. Dune is weird that way.

    But, here’s the director’s conundrum, if one wants to make a materialist atheistic scoffer version of Dune, then you’re really forced to contend with the Biological Breeding program that makes everything go. You can scoff at a messiah as long as you build the ubermench. And that’s the thing… the ‘fake’ prophecies planted by the Missionaria Protectiva are both cynical means to control and prepping the way for fulfillment in the breeding program. The funny thing about the prophecies is that they were fulfilled by literally a superior man bred to have all the wisdom of human past experience plus the power of prescience. The rather heavy handed idea of ‘southern fundamentalists’ and Paul’s ‘atheistic’ disapproving lover doesn’t really provide any meaningful perspective or even correction. And that’s bracketing the rather heavy handed ‘southern fundamentalists’ are the real villains aspect of not getting it.

    Paul the ‘everyman’ hero’s journey just doesn’t make sense… nor will it make sense as things get even *more* golden path mystical and breeding path centric. To be clear, you can definitely emphasize a very cynical (vs. mystical) reading… but that *really* makes you beholden to the eugenics (literalyl) of the Bene Gesserit (and the Tleilaxu, and Honored Matres, etc. etc.)

    At the end of the day, Paul is boring.

    [edit: *DV tweeted out that, when you think about it, Dune is really like Quebec…)Report

    • InMD in reply to Marchmaine
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      You’ve put your finger on the tension I didn’t like. I read the book in a mystical Paul is the messiah and it doesn’t really matter why kind of way, not the cynical way.

      It reminds me of Gandalf in the Hobbit saying ‘Surely you don’t disbelieve the prophecies because you had a hand in bringing them about yourself?’ The Dune 2 writers answered (or maybe just approached?) that question differently than I would have.Report

      • InMD in reply to InMD
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        Just to add I think it’s the particular kind of cynicism that seems off in a world where it is common knowledge that people are doing vaguely supernatural things even with a scientific kind of component to it. Whatever one might think of the motivations of those able to deploy it it seems strange to be so completely doubtful that it could have some mechanism of taking another step with profound results. This is a terrible analogy but it would be sort like doubting an airplane would one day circumnavigate the globe in a world of well established commercial aviation.Report

        • Marchmaine in reply to InMD
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          Right… GRRM has (had?) this problem. Even if we allow Dragons as purely an evolved species… the world is riddled with supernatural occurrences that are wildly at odds with the detached scoffer narrative voice he employs. Much moreso than Dune which I think is possible to read in a purely materialistic way.Report

          • Michael Cain in reply to Marchmaine
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            Sandworms are as impossible as dragons without resorting to magic. Estimate the strength of material necessary to support that mass and shape — ain’t going to happen without magic. Or the energy required to displace sand at any speed. Assume any sort of chemical source and you’re stuck with impossible internal temperatures. The worms are one of the reasons I never read past the first book.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Michael Cain
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              “The Blue Whale. Largest animal to ever exist. Biggest one ever clocks in at 199 tons.”
              “Okay. What does it eat?”
              “Krill.”
              “Krill?”
              “Shrimp, kinda. About two inches long. About a gram. Er, you’re American. You get about 7 in an eighth of an ounce.”
              “So 28 to an ounce? They’d have to eat entire swarms of krill. Tons of krill a day. Not, like, slang tons. ‘I could eat a ton’ kind of tons. But, like, literal tons.”
              “Yes.”
              “Nobody would believe that.”Report

            • Marchmaine in reply to Michael Cain
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              Well, at some point Spice is the Midichlorian magic of Dune…

              p.s. I’m pretty sure that since George Lucas never had an original thought he basically garbled Dune’s combo of molecular and spice magic into the whole midichlorian fiasco.Report

  5. Damon
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    I’ve seen the first movie on TV about 3 times. Love the visuals and the lack of sound (or sound that’s easy to ignore) It brings true what I’d expect from a place like that. It reminds me of Laurance of Arabia in some ways.Report

    • North in reply to Damon
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      I rewatched it last night and share your opinion. I’m struck by how solid it is and I’m looking forward to watching the second. Also I endorse Marchmaine’s opinion above that the director translated a fantastic “vision” of Dune’s world into screen.Report

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