The Atlantic Comes For SubStack, Freddie deBoer Reciprocates

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  1. North
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    Freddie’s writing is still fire, no wonder he’s done very well on Substack and I’m happy for him.Report

  2. Marchmaine
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    Sometimes FdB reminds me of a left wing KDW… a freight train coming down the rails that you could easily avoid if you just stepped off the tracks, but you’re so mesmerized by the sound and thunder of the experience that you just can’t.

    “The very reason Ghost was created was to make the kind of moderation Broderick wants impossible, and yet Broderick has jerry-rigged a moral schema that indicts Substack and excuses Ghost.
    [here she comes ’round the bend]
    This is, speaking generously, an argument of convenience built on a foundation of idiocy.”Report

    • North in reply to Marchmaine
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      But who is it, in this scenario, that is on the tracks and should know better? Readers aren’t harmed by Freddies fantastic prose and entertaining analysis- indeed I’d submit they are probably edified. I suppose the subjects of his scorn could be but, on the left at least, they’ve relegated Freddie to the status of “no-person” so his opinion doesn’t matter to them.Report

  3. Ouroborous
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    I see Freddie is still, despite his many mea culpas, unwilling to try to understand the actual arguments being made versus the ones he made up in his own head. And he remains very self righteous against the strawmen he makes…Report

  4. Damon
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    Loved the comment ““My subscribers are mostly the kind of muddled liberals who boast about the moral superiority of their electric Hyundai, which was built with minerals mined by literal child slaves” I’m going to have to use that to anyone who bangs on my door wanting me to do something to “save the earth”. Best part is HE’S NOT WRONG.Report

  5. InMD
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    I think Freddie is right but this also allows me to reiterate my point thay we need to stop talking about the internet and social media like it’s 2020, as it we haven’t learned anything about how this works. In no particular order:

    -People raising a stink about ‘nazis’ on whatever platform have shown that they are implacable, and no matter what anyone does at these companies they will never be happy until they themselves have become the moderators.

    -The worst case scenario is twitter/X, where trying to placate them ultimately destroys the platform.

    -Other than maybe filtering out hardcore pornography, the companies that run these platforms have been woefully inept at content moderation whenever they’ve tried, which runs them right headlong into the issues above.

    Bottom line is that no one should take these little crusades seriously anymore and I think it’s telling that as best as I can tell fewer and fewer people do.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to InMD
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      The dirty little secret is that you can always create more Nazis.

      Oh, you support Donald Trump?
      Oh, you claim to not support Donald Trump but you voted 3rd Party?
      Oh, you claim to be a Democrat but you supported Elizabeth Warren instead of Joe Biden?
      Do you support Israel’s invasion of Gaza following the October 7th insurrection?

      It’s 1936! All over again!Report

      • InMD in reply to Jaybird
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        Beyond that engaging with anything like this from any perspective is a no-win. You end up employing a bunch of people to play whack-a-mole and make edge case decisions that leave no one satisfied. No one demanding this sort of action has any incentive to ever be satisfied in the first place which is all anyone that owns a business of this nature needs to know.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to InMD
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      The worst case scenario is twitter/X, where trying to placate them ultimately destroys the platform.

      Uh, what? Trying to placate the people who don’t like Nazis is _not_ what destroyed Twitter. What destroyed Twitter is increasing series of stupid and stupider decisions by a billionaire.

      Or have I misunderstood what you’re trying to say, and you mean trying to placate Nazis destroyed Twitter which…is also not right.Report

  6. LeeEsq
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    I really don’t need to hear about May-December romances between Legacy Media and New Media.Report

  7. Saul Degraw
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    “There are not as many Nazis on Substack as The Atlantic would want you to believe” is not a winning argument in my book.Report

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