The Atlantic Comes For SubStack, Freddie deBoer Reciprocates
There’s been a drumbeat from certain circles that the popular newsletter publisher SubStack is allowing “nazi content” upon its platform. This is not to be confused with the drumbeat from certain circles about “nazi content” on Twitter, Facebook, BlueSky, and whatever else platform is currently needing to be written about over their content moderation. After the The Atlantic ran not one but two pieces from writers declaring they were leaving the platform, Freddie deBoer took to his SubStack with his unsubtle take, naming of names, and touching on what he thinks drives these declarations of righteous logging off.
From Freddie deBoer’s SubStack
The Nazi content that Katz found (and reported on with sufficient inaccuracy that The Atlantic had to issue a correction) is an absolutely tiny portion of Substack, and no one has demonstrated that any of it was getting surfaced thanks to Substack’s discovery tools, at all, ever. But even if it was, why is it the discovery tools that are disqualifying? What is the fundamental moral principle here?
Amusingly, the whole “it’s not the hosting, it’s the surfacing” line is functionally identical to Musk’s much-mocked “freedom of speech, not freedom of reach” line.
No, I think what’s happening here is pretty simple. Broderick, and Newton, and the sublimely self-righteous Rusty Foster, and others like them are creatures of the media professional-social human centipede that I’ve criticized for so long. They are firmly ensconced in the status hierarchies and petty frenemy networks that define that space. Like most people in media, I imagine, they’re feeling a little lost over the demise of media Twitter thanks to Elon Musk’s whims, given that it was the organizing force that did so much to define the culture of the industry and which handed out the social rewards that have had to replace the financial rewards that no longer exist. These guys are feeling pretty shitty about their industry and its economics and the fact that Media High School appears to no longer be in session. They’d like to goose subscriptions and they’d like to do so in a way that burnishes their credentials as good guys who really care. They look around and notice that the kind of people who write overwrought essays for The Cut about how the latest Billie Eilish album destroyed patriarchy or whatever are not fond of Substack, principally because a lot of us make more on Substack in a month than they make in a year writing overwrought essays for The Cut. And these good white men say, aha! Market opportunity! And that’s why they leave. That’s 90% of what you need to understand.
Here’s the thing: you can just fucking say that. “People in my professional and social circles don’t like Substack, and I care too much about what they think, so I’m switching to a different service.” Cool. Go for it. “My subscribers are mostly the kind of muddled liberals who boast about the moral superiority of their electric Hyundai, which was built with minerals mined by literal child slaves, and they don’t like Substack for reasons arising from that same basic confusion.” Understood. Get that bread, honey. But please be real with me. Newton in particular is savvy enough to know what he’s doing and why. Please, spare me from the self-fellating theatrics about how you’re too pure of a soul to sully your hands in the waters of Substack, which is just the internet. (I’ve got news for you boys: it’s all the internet! It’s all interconnected. That was the deal you signed up for the first time you used a broadband connection.) “My newsletter is a business, and I’m leaving Substack as a business decision.” There. That’s all you have to do.
But that doesn’t get p****hat liberals shilling your wares for you on Mark “Genocide in Myanmar” Zuckerberg’s Threads by Facebook, does it now?
You can read the whole thing here:
Freddie’s writing is still fire, no wonder he’s done very well on Substack and I’m happy for him.Report
Sometimes FdB reminds me of a left wing KDW… a freight train coming down the rails that you could easily avoid if you just stepped off the tracks, but you’re so mesmerized by the sound and thunder of the experience that you just can’t.
“The very reason Ghost was created was to make the kind of moderation Broderick wants impossible, and yet Broderick has jerry-rigged a moral schema that indicts Substack and excuses Ghost.
[here she comes ’round the bend]
This is, speaking generously, an argument of convenience built on a foundation of idiocy.”Report
But who is it, in this scenario, that is on the tracks and should know better? Readers aren’t harmed by Freddies fantastic prose and entertaining analysis- indeed I’d submit they are probably edified. I suppose the subjects of his scorn could be but, on the left at least, they’ve relegated Freddie to the status of “no-person” so his opinion doesn’t matter to them.Report
I see Freddie is still, despite his many mea culpas, unwilling to try to understand the actual arguments being made versus the ones he made up in his own head. And he remains very self righteous against the strawmen he makes…Report
Do elaborate on where he’s wrong.Report
Loved the comment ““My subscribers are mostly the kind of muddled liberals who boast about the moral superiority of their electric Hyundai, which was built with minerals mined by literal child slaves” I’m going to have to use that to anyone who bangs on my door wanting me to do something to “save the earth”. Best part is HE’S NOT WRONG.Report
I think Freddie is right but this also allows me to reiterate my point thay we need to stop talking about the internet and social media like it’s 2020, as it we haven’t learned anything about how this works. In no particular order:
-People raising a stink about ‘nazis’ on whatever platform have shown that they are implacable, and no matter what anyone does at these companies they will never be happy until they themselves have become the moderators.
-The worst case scenario is twitter/X, where trying to placate them ultimately destroys the platform.
-Other than maybe filtering out hardcore pornography, the companies that run these platforms have been woefully inept at content moderation whenever they’ve tried, which runs them right headlong into the issues above.
Bottom line is that no one should take these little crusades seriously anymore and I think it’s telling that as best as I can tell fewer and fewer people do.Report
The dirty little secret is that you can always create more Nazis.
Oh, you support Donald Trump?
Oh, you claim to not support Donald Trump but you voted 3rd Party?
Oh, you claim to be a Democrat but you supported Elizabeth Warren instead of Joe Biden?
Do you support Israel’s invasion of Gaza following the October 7th insurrection?
It’s 1936! All over again!Report
Beyond that engaging with anything like this from any perspective is a no-win. You end up employing a bunch of people to play whack-a-mole and make edge case decisions that leave no one satisfied. No one demanding this sort of action has any incentive to ever be satisfied in the first place which is all anyone that owns a business of this nature needs to know.Report
Uh, what? Trying to placate the people who don’t like Nazis is _not_ what destroyed Twitter. What destroyed Twitter is increasing series of stupid and stupider decisions by a billionaire.
Or have I misunderstood what you’re trying to say, and you mean trying to placate Nazis destroyed Twitter which…is also not right.Report
I really don’t need to hear about May-December romances between Legacy Media and New Media.Report
“There are not as many Nazis on Substack as The Atlantic would want you to believe” is not a winning argument in my book.Report