Thursday Throughput: Schooling Edition

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. fillyjonk
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    ThTh1: Yes, the trauma.. That’s really underplayed. Just as a lot of workplaces seem to underplay the grief people losing a loved one (or experiencing a divorce) feel, and just expect them to keep pushing and keep working, everywhere expects people to be 100% back to normal

    we aren’t. I still cry more than I did in the before times. I have less ability to work sustainedly. In my students, I see similar things – more fear of uncertainty and need for regular reassurance and tendency to take the “safe” path, even beyond the fact that some of our new incoming students have zero study skills and if it seems even slightly difficult, they don’t want to try.

    But it’s expected we are, and some people already seem to be forgetting the disruption. I was in a meeting with “outside evaluators” recently, where they were looking at our assessment data (I am on our general education council). And one of the well-paid outside consultants looked at us and said “your 2020 assessment data is very spotty, I don’t like that, why is that so” and luckily before I could get up and say something totally impolitic, the VP of assessment stood up and said “Respectfully, during that time we were trying to transition to teaching entirely online, where x% (I forget the number she gave) of our students had unreliable internet at their homes”

    I remain gobsmacked by that guy basically saying “Gee you didn’t do everything absolutely perfectly while simultaneously trying not to die and worrying about your family members.”Report

  2. DensityDuck
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    This would never have happened if those darn Republican Trumpists hadn’t caused COVID to be such a problem! A sane, rational, scientific response would have solve the whole thing in about a week.Report

  3. InMD
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    I have always believed that everyone, including the schools, deserve a mulligan for Spring 2020 before we had full understanding of what this was. In that scenario you err on the side of caution with the understanding there will be trade offs.

    However I am not certain there is such a clear line between the trauma and the closing of schools as is being implied here, and the closing itself may well be the key driver of it for children. I know it varied a lot regionally but in the DC-Baltimore area schools were effectively closed for the better part of 2 years. Even where they were officially ‘back’ there were still frequent closures for outbreaks, and trailing hybrid models that kept things abnormal for a long time. Last January I was having a beer with a friend who had just started a job property managing a community theater attached to a public school, the nature of which has him effectively being part of the school’s workforce. He told me the mid term season had everyone losing their minds because no students other than the senior class had ever gone through an in person high school exam week.

    Anecdotally, one of my wife’s coworkers has a daughter, for whom the word social butterfly is an understatement. She went into a steep depression during this time due not being able to be with her friends and other children. She was elementary school age, and who knows what the long term impact will be. Point is that socialization to peers and being around other people is a critical driver of development especially for small children.

    Anyway, I thank God all the time that my older son was still just slightly too young to have born the brunt of it. However my esteem of public education has plummeted and I have opted for Catholic school instead, at least for K-8. The one up the street from us was open in Fall 2020 (with lots and lots of precautions, they aren’t insane). It tells me that for whatever other problems they know what the mission of a school actually is. Until I see heads rolling and a real lessons learned protocol including major reforms I don’t think I will ever be able to conclude the same about public schools again.Report

  4. Chip Daniels
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    We as a nation have kind of memory holed the fact that over a million Americans died in the three year pandemic, a death toll greater than WWII.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels
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      For the most part pandemics always get memory holed unless they become part of popular mythology like the Black Death. How many Americans knew that there was a big flu pandemic in 1918-1919 before COVID-19. Not a lot. Most people saw the timeline as WWI, votes for women, Prohibition, and the Roaring Twenties with all that jazz. The tense years between the end of World War I and the start of the true Twenties including the Influenza Pandemic might as well never have happened. You don’t see any movies set around 1918/1919 showing people being masked.Report

      • fillyjonk in reply to LeeEsq
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        I wonder how much of the so-called Lost Generation was affected, though, and maybe some of the hedonism of (some groups) in the so-called Roaring 20s was a reaction.

        I know the covid pandemic changed me and I never caught the disease. Didn’t change me for the better, I can say that. Not that I’m likely to go out dancing on tables or take a couple lovers in Paris and start writing poetry….Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to Chip Daniels
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      I don’t think its memory holed the way you imply.

      The horror of WW2 (or WW1 on the continent) is death to the youth.

      What emerged, slowly at first, but conclusively relatively quickly is that the at risk population was overwhelmingly 65+. Overwhelmingly. 857k deaths out of the 1.1M (75%) you cite were in that bracket. If we drop one cohort down to 50-64 the number is 1M/1.1M or 93%.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

      It was precisely the eerie fact that young people were virtually unaffected that impacts the remembering of it. Which isn’t to say we should be indifferent to a wickedly virulent and lethal virus that shortens the life expectancy of the elderly; its to say that public health responses should have prioritized the elderly even more than it did.

      My 85 yo uncle died of pneumonia in Jan 2020 — it was probably plain old pneumonia, given the date — and we hope his life wasn’t shortened by bad healthcare or a particularly bad strain of a virus. What we know after the fact is that the virus did accelerate death among the folks who were likely going to die of pneumonia. An horrific compression measured in a handful of years or at the oldest segment, seasons. By May 2021, according to the CDC, 79% of adults 65+ in the US were vaccinated; but statistically, the 65+ vaccination curve was completed in March 2021 (it mostly flattened after that). As of today, it is estimated that 90%+ of the 65+ cohort (51M/53M) is vaccinated.

      If the deaths had been distributed any differently; if we swapped 50-64 and 65-74 with 0-17 and 18-29 putting 450k (40%) of the deaths in children/young adults? The psychic horror would be akin to WW2.

      As it is, public policy for schools after March 2021 is likely they key demarcation point for analysis – bearing in mind as well that School Teachers were prioritized equally (sometimes more than, depending on the ‘First Responders’ categories) the elderly beginning in Jan 2021. And children and adults up to 50 were statistically not at risk.Report

  5. Marchmaine
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    [TT3] Bees… appropriately posted on the feast of St. Ambrose…whose symbol is bees. We tried a few seasons of keeping bees, but never had any success and gave it up. One thing about the beekeeping folks is that they will try/build anything. 3cm insulation boards (if it really helps) would likely be commercialized. The only tricky part would be wind/water proofing, access and top boards.Report

  6. fillyjonk
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    ThTh9: I will also confess I thought maybe the earthquake video was gonna be a parody where the joke was “the sound of the Earth when an earthquake hits” was the guy going “FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF[ish]” at the beginning but it was actually pretty cool. Sounds like someone practicing drums….Report

  7. Fish
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    ThTh1: We were lucky. My oldest was a VERY UNHAPPY high school senior when things shut down, so he elected to drop out and get his GED. For my youngest I was able to set up an isolated “classroom” for him, complete with a window and high-speed internet, and his grades actually went up. The running joke in our house is that, being the sole extrovert, I was the only person negatively affected by the shutdown, but I look at my very introverted youngest boy, now a sophomore in college, and can’t help but connect the dots between the shutdown and his reluctance to engage more socially at his uni.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Fish
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      I look at my very introverted youngest boy, now a sophomore in college, and can’t help but connect the dots between the shutdown and his reluctance to engage more socially at his uni.

      As a social introvert myself, I can so relate to your young man. Being 100% remote during the pandemic was so much LESS draining energetically and emotionally then being in an office, so much so that I have grown to detest my employers for requiring us to be in the office two days a week now. Your kid found his psychological nirvana during the pandemic, and has had that ripped away from him by the “normal” university setting.Report

  8. Michael Cain
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    ThTh1: If they’da ast, I coulda told them….

    It’s now 30 years since I started doing serious research on real-time multi-party multi-media communication over internet protocols. Part of the work was prototyping control protocols for different settings, trying to come as close to reproducing the physical presence as possible. The one-teacher 25-student classroom was far and away the hardest scenario I looked at. At that time, all of them suffered from the lack of a decent input tablet*. All of the applications were easier to write if the network was capable of IP multicast. I still regard it as somewhat of a personal failure that I couldn’t convince the giant telecom I worked for to support multicast in their retail offerings.

    * I’ve started using an iPad with an Apple Pencil for cartooning. I would have killed for that resolution and response in a device back when I was doing the research work.Report

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