Tree of Life Synagogue Murderer Sentenced to Death

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. Pinky says:

    First of all, I’m sorry. I don’t know if it’s worse etiquette to keep threadjacking the Einstein comments with theology and the death penalty, or to shift the conversation between threads.

    Historically, depending on the society, Bowers might have been killed for this crime, or exiled, lose an arm, have to pay a fine for each death, or even get away with it if the culture was particularly anti-Semitic. If he didn’t have the payment, he’d potentially have to stay in prison until his family paid the fine, or work as a serf until he paid it off.

    I’m fine with society saying that Bowers can never walk free. We should all be able to agree on that. The old Catholic position, pre-mass incarceration, was that the authorities could decide that it’d be safer to have him put to death than allow him to walk free. Wonderful. I’d say that pre-supermax, that argument would still hold up. We have every reason to believe that anyone who would have committed this crime would be a danger to guards and inmates. I think the question is, can we still make that argument now that supermax facilities exist? What about in societies that don’t have the capacity or expenses to operate one? Beyond that, is it possible that life imprisonment in a supermax facility constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, and if so, could we say that the death penalty is more humane?Report

    • Pinky in reply to Pinky says:

      I’m going to add one more thing. There was a comment here that got deleted that was both cruel and medically ignorant. I assume it came from our site’s troll, and if he’s reading this I just want to say that it’s the combination of ignorance and obnoxiousness that guarantees that no one here will ever listen to a word you say.Report

    • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

      IMO the argument against the death penalty isn’t so much the easy cases where guilt isn’t in doubt, it’s the hard cases, where imposing it requires more faith in human infallibility than is warranted by the evidence.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

        Yeah. The “what about rapeincestmotherslifeindanger” question isn’t Troy Davis. It’s John Williams King. It’s this guy.

        But what about if the cops messed up?
        What about if the cops lied?
        What about if the real killer is still out there?

        Those questions sort of dry up and float away.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Jaybird says:

          Theology and/or philosophy have to deal with the “is this ever justified” question. We can agree that this guy is a worst-case scenario though. He’s practically a thought experiment.Report

  2. InMD says:

    This is potentially an insensitive comment and if the grown ups at OT decide it isn’t appropriate I defer to their judgment. However I think this speaks to the discussion yesterday about where the country is on anti-semitism, and the larger racial/inter ethnic paranoia among the extremely online across the political spectrum. They took 12 regular citizens, had them look at this crime, and said it was so bad justice requires that the perpetrator die for it. That is way more reflective of common attitudes on this subject where it really matters than whatever right wing celebrity, left wing intersectionalist, or madman open to third parties has to say about the subject.Report