15 thoughts on “Sunday Morning! King Lear by William Shakespeare

  1. It baffles me that the phrase “In Shakespeare’s defense” is in this otherwise excellent piece.

    Many men – and not just madmen – throughout history have thought the way that Lear is thinking in that moment. You can turn on YouTube and see hundreds of videos with hundreds of thousands of views espousing that exact type of stuff. Entire religions have codified it. Women are being surgically altered and confined to huts to this very day because of that mindset.

    Are we meant to ignore that, to remain ignorant of the reality that some dudes actually do have those sort of thoughts?

    Authors have a responsibility to reveal the darkest recesses of the human mind versus presenting a sanitized-for-your-protection morality play. He’s not advocating a position, but capturing a reality. You may as well take him to task for portraying children killing themselves in Romeo and Juliet.Report

    1. Oh, sorry- I thought it was obvious that my tongue was in my cheek with that line. I’d intended to link in the sentence prior to this article which claimed audiences would have a problem with the passage:

      https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/06/the-vagina-shaming-language-in-shakespeare-s-king-lear.html

      And then, yeah, what I was getting at was that Shakespeare somehow seems to capture every train of thought human beings have ever been capable of having in his plays, including that of an old man losing his mind who believes he’s been betrayed by all women, instead of just his two daughters who think he’s… well, losing his mind.Report

  2. I’ve seen Lear twice.

    The first time was when I was still a teenager and they put a guy in his 40’s in some “old man” makeup. He was pretty good, I guess. I imagine that his tryout was better than everybody else’s, at least. (And, when you’re still a teenager, the difference between “40’s” and “old” is negligible.)

    The second time was about a dozen years later, after I had gotten married, and they got a guy in his late 60’s to play Lear.

    The first guy read the lines expertly.
    The second guy read the lines and you *FELT* it.

    “O, that way madness lies; let me shun that; No more of that.”
    (Aside to self: “Holy crap. That’s what that means. It’s too late though. But wow.”)

    Is there still a debate over what happened to The Fool? When I was a kid, mom told me that the major theories invoked all kinds of psychoanalysis stuff… he represents the king’s lack of wisdom and his disappearance heralds Lear’s gaining it or something about loyalty evaporating or something like that but mom said “He didn’t have an editor. He forgot about the fool and finished the play and then it was too late.”

    And I thought that that was silly in my teens but now I am older and see the wisdom in it.Report

      1. You mean, Kent and The Fool being the same actor?

        Wow, that’s what they did for the production I saw, and it made so much sense I thought it was supposed to be that way.Report

      2. Oh, jeez. That makes sense too.

        We went over Faust a couple of times in my college career and one of my professors explained that everybody in the 20th Century reads Faust for Mephistopheles but, at the time, everybody knew that Mephistopheles was evil and they needed to read Faust for *FAUST*.

        All that to say: Maybe The Fool is considered the best character ever in the 20th Century but, at the time, he was just a guy and people watched the play for Glouster or something.Report

  3. Some thoughts about Lear:

    1) When I went to see it, I knew nothing about it. In the theater gift shop, they were selling note-cards with quotes from Shakespeare’s works, and one of them was “I love thee more than words can wield the matter”. And I thought, “oh, that’s a nice sentiment, maybe I should get that for someone.” And then I went and watched the play, and afterwards I wondered why you’d put that on a note-card, unless it was meant to be sent to someone you disliked..

    2) I came to the conclusion that one cannot read Shakespeare. If you’re wondering “why is this guy such a huge deal”, then you have to see it done. Stage direction and performance brings a lot to the understanding of the thing.

    3) Also, there’s a lot of stuff you don’t get unless you’ve lived it. I saw Lear right after visiting my grandfather, who’d had several small strokes and was suffering from severe aphasia, as well as the general ailments of the extremely aged. He’d been moving out of his old apartment into a terminal-care facility, and he was very upset that all the things he’d spent so much time and effort carrying from place to place were just going to be thrown away, and he had a lot of trouble expressing that because of his difficulty communicating, and that made him more upset. And, y’know. Here’s King Lear, with everyone telling him “oh, your stuff is such a bother, get rid of all of it, we don’t care about it, we got our own stuff, yours is useless anyway, your whole life is useless garbage and we’re just waiting until we can throw YOU out with the rest of it,” and he’s too old and confused to explain why that upsets him or make a case for it. So, that kind of really hit me harder than it might have done two weeks earlier. (I did take a couple socket sets and a three-foot level, which I didn’t really need but they did fill holes in the inventory.)

    4) Another one that prove Shakespeare saved his best stuff for the last scene. “To be tender-minded does not become a sword.” “The laws are mine, not thine. Who can arraign me for it?” “Oh, you are men of stones!”Report

    1. I would say yeah on #2, but it really has to be the right people. I saw a LOT of Shakespeare in Washington D.C. and Stratford, Ontario. And, sometimes, it would be okay. And sometimes it was better than average. And then, once in a while, there would be a production that just blew everything else you’d ever seen on a stage out of the water. But it takes really thoughtful actors.

      3. I had a great-grandmother (step-grandmother really) who we visited in the hospital after she’d grown angry and delusional on her deathbed, and the things she said were apocalyptic poetry, Again, I don’t know how Shakespeare intuited all of these states of mind. There’s a Borges story in which God and Shakespeare talk and the former pays tribute to the latter for having such a range of human understanding in his writing.Report

  4. I saw a college summer stock production of King Lear and it bowled me over. In the sense of getting a bullet between the eyes or getting hit by a freight train. I note that it is much shorter than Hamlet (to be fair, it is frequently said that we don’t have the edited version that Shakespeare’s company played, just the starting text). It is also much more to the point.

    I particularly like the business where you are given hope that Cordelia will be saved. A rider is sent. The truth has been unraveled. Something will be set right, at least…but no. Ouch! I don’t think No Country For Old Men which has something similar, did it better.

    I think one subtext here is that oppressive, authoritarian regimes are bad for the oppressed, yes. AND, they are also bad for the authorities.Report

    1. Yeah, exactly. I mean, Lear has all the authority in the world he knows at the time, and loses his mind because he can’t compel his daughter to say she loves him more than she should. It’s totally devastating.Report

  5. I’ve been watching Succession (just finished season 3) and in the back of my mind I’ve been thinking, ‘I’ll bet this is a take on King Lear’ but I didn’t know much about King Lear other than ‘it’s about a King and his daughters, and is a tragedy so everyone probably dies from tragic flaws’

    And now reading the description above, Succession definitely has King Lear in mind, but does significantly different story beats (so far). (I do basically know the big last season twist as well as who ‘wins’ in the end, but not the journey to that destination)Report

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