Something Is Very Wrong In McCurtain County, Oklahoma

Andrew Donaldson

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  1. Philip H says:

    Sorry Andrew – there’s nothing wrong there, at least in terms of how the south still works. It just got caught on tape.Report

    • Shocked that Oklahoma is in the south, tbh…Report

        • One interesting way to look at it is the way major football programs in the middle of the country have — at least until recently — moved from one conference to another. That’s middle in an east-west sense. Several to the SEC. Nebraska to the B1G. Colorado to the Pac-12. The guy at your link is wrong about Nebrasks. The eastern third or so, with way over half the the population, is very much Midwest. When I moved to Colorado 35 years ago, it was immediately obvious that U of Colorado was looking for any excuse to go Pac-whatever — the Front Range, with >75% of the population, looked west not east by then.

          My friend the anthropologist and I both claim that the rural Great Plains — those counties in white on my map here — is a very substantial cultural divider.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Andrew Donaldson says:

        They have been essentially Texas-extended for some time. They are well known for anti-tribal and anti-black racism; the worst race mob attack on black Americans in the last century unfolded in Tulsa.Report

  2. fillyjonk says:

    When governor freaking STITT is calling for these dudes to resign, you know it’s bad. Citation: I live in Oklahoma.

    I am not sure I even claim myself as an Oklahoman any more despite having lived here longer than anywhere else I’ve lived; have become really disgusted with how the state is run, top to bottom, in the past 10-ish years. (My job is here, I own a house here, or I’d be gone)Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to fillyjonk says:

      Elsewhere I’ve read comments asking why Stitt did this in Oklahoma, and whether it would happen in Florida or Tennessee (with speculation that it wouldn’t). One of the possibilities is that Tennessee and Florida are growing faster than the national average, but Oklahoma is well below that average. Not a new trend — Oklahoma lost a US House seat after the 2020 census.

      I have to believe that at some point reputations will get so bad that the effect on growth will get much more pronounced. Governors get dinged if the state economy and/or budget isn’t doing well relative to neighbors. Another example — at one point, multiple western states that had not adopted Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion had Republican governors urging their Republican legislatures to just take the f*cking money and fill nasty holes in the state budget.

      Or maybe reputations are already bad enough. The general meme is that the South is growing at the expense of the Northeast and Midwest. But that growth is spotty. From the 1990 census on, several Southern states have lost a US House seat rather than gaining any.Report

    • Philip H in reply to fillyjonk says:

      “I am both appalled and disheartened to hear of the horrid comments made by officials in McCurtain County,” Gov. Kevin Stitt said in a statement Sunday. “There is simply no place for such hateful rhetoric in the state of Oklahoma, especially by those that serve to represent the community through their respective office. I will not stand idly by while this takes place,” the statement said.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/mccurtain-county-oklahoma-officials-recording/index.htmlReport

  3. Saul Degraw says:

    McCurtain County has a population of less than 31KReport

  4. DavidTC says:

    We have absolutely no evidence that the police are behaving worse here than in other places.Report