Throughput: Mifepristone Edition

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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17 Responses

  1. Chip Daniels says:

    This is a well-thought out analysis, and effectively debunks the judges ruling.

    But I reject the framework of addressing illogic with logic.

    As I said in the other thread, the illogic is the point. I may as well use my architectural training to show, clearly and logically, why it is highly unlikely that so many Russian journalists keep falling out of windows. After all, they have guardrails, and opening limiters, why, it is entirely unlikely!

    But of course, if I wrote that I would be missing the sneer of contempt on the face of the Russian government official who told such a preposterous lie. He knows it is a lie, that’s the point, he can lie with impunity and silence anyone who questions it.

    Which is the correct lens with which to see this, and any of the actions of the current Republican officials, to look at them the way we look at Russian or Chinese government pronouncements as exercises in Orwellian language mangling.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      A lot of people will refuse to believe this until it is too late.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      Once I had a multi-week discussion on the general facts of abortion with an anti-abortion activist.

      Far as I can tell, she really REALLY believed what she was saying about abortion being very dangerous, pregnancy being very safe, and so on. I used sources, largely wiki, she had her own and would claim that wiki was simply wrong because it was swamped with pro-choice activists.

      She was eloquent, intelligent, and was trying to make the world a better place.

      Claiming that she knew she was lying and was simply evil may make you feel great about your side but probably isn’t the reality. It’s like saying everyone who claims to believe in god is lying.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      Liberalism holds humans are creatures of of reason is a basic belief though. Saying that humans can not be convinced by logical arguments is like saying that liberalism is wrong too many people. The idea that some people need the firm and righteous guiding hand to do the right thing rather than sweet reason is simply going against what many liberals believe. The belief in the effectiveness of the well-made argument is bone deep.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to LeeEsq says:

        With the alternative being authoritarianism.

        We’re getting more rational as time goes on but it takes a long time for bad ideas to die off, generations even.Report

  2. Kazzy says:

    Did the judge do his own research? Or was he citing research provided by the litigants? If the former, is that typical? This is a case for the legal beagles, if they’re reading.Report

    • Greg In Ak in reply to Kazzy says:

      Judge’s rely on the briefs from both sides. That is what they should be citing for evidence and how it always is. They should not be doing their own research other then the purely legal arguments where they will have to ground their own arguments in the law.

      All the stuff Judge K cited was from briefs and as noted just from one side. Not even good evidence from the pro life side.Report

    • Michael Siegel in reply to Kazzy says:

      Usually they cite the briefs, but in this case it seems highly selective.Report

  3. Saul Degraw says:

    My guess is that the Fifth Circuit and/or the Supreme Court tosses this case for lack of standing. The Supreme Court will decide this 7-2 or 6-3 with Gorsuch being the wild card. Alioto and Thomas are know dissenters even though neither is known to be friendly to permissive concepts of standing.

    But as Chip notes it is a fatal flaw in the non-firebrand types to look for logic here. Judge K knew how he wanted to rule and he found a way to do it.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      I recall all the Savvy pundits assuring us that SCOTUS would of course never do anything so crazy as to strike down Roe.

      There really aren’t any guardrails or sober adults at the controls.
      Yes, they intend a national ban on abortion from the moment of conception.

      What’s that you say? Enforcing this would require a security state ten times the size of the War On Drugs and War On Terror combined?

      Feature, not bug.Report

      • I recall that back in 2000, all the savvy pundits assuring us that SCOTUS would of course never do anything so crazy as to interfere with a state’s counting of votes in a presidential election.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        I’m not a savvy pundit type but am a lawyer and I always thought overturning Roe was possible/plausible. The problem here is that Judge K’s decision just gets basic blackline statutory law willfully wrong in a way that most district court judges dare not attempt. The Supreme Court has smacked down Judge K for this kind of stuff before. Everything about this decision smacks against things that all but the most ideological Supreme Court judges think are bridges too far.Report

  4. CJColucci says:

    I’ve been in this business a lot longer than Judge K. I know what we lawyers know and, more important, what we don’t. There’s nothing in the lawyer’s toolkit that qualifies us to make the kind of decision Judge K has made.* And it is simply arrogant to think it should be up to people like Judge K or me.

    *The link in the post eviscerates Judge K’s use of the meager implements in the lawyer’s toolkit.Report

  5. Jaybird says:

    Might be time to set some hard limits on the judiciary.Report