Between The Devil and The Deep Blue ChatGPT

Andrew Donaldson

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  1. Burt Likko says:

    Bard (from Google/Alphabet) seems a lot smarter than ChatGPT. This may be a product of integrating web searches, but for whatever stew of reasons, its essays deal with requested ssubstance in ways that seem like actual responses from a person, and less like a generic essay from a high school senior who knows the rules of grammar but hadn’t actually done the reading.Report

  2. Ozzzy! says:

    The question I ask is if this becomes the new ‘Google homepage’ ie it’s a ui upgrade the way Google was to altavista in 2001 or whenever.

    That’s less about the scary stuff or the technicalities, but I think probably more realistic over the next 5 years.Report

  3. Pinky says:

    Since the subject of Deep Blue vs. Gary Kasparov came up…

    I’m not a good chess player, but I play regularly. At this point, it’s simply unquestionable that chess bots are better than humans. An average chess bot can beat a top player 98 times out of 100, and the top end programs are considerably better. When pros and teachers analyze games, they do so by entering them into a computer. Champions practice by comparing their results to a computer. An average player has an ELO rating of 1000, the top players are around 3000, and bots exist that are rated around 3600.

    But they’re really bad at playing chess like a person.

    Let me explain it with an analogy. Imagine you’re a decent outdoorsman. You’re in a clearing, and you can a car horn coming from the parking lot, so you know which direction you have to go to get back to your car. You’ll look around, see what looks like a path by the lack of underbrush, and follow it in the direction of the car. It might not be the shortest route but you won’t get your pants snagged in briars.

    Your friend is with you. He steps forward into a tree, then steps back, turns 5 degrees off center, and steps forward into the same tree. He will do this until he finds a path around the tree, and into another tree. He’ll keep doing it. He’ll take a billion paths, even if he finds the shortest one on his thirty millionth try. It’s a guarantee that he’ll find a path that’s at least as short as yours or shorter after a billion tries. He’ll always be better than you at finding a path.

    The interesting thing is that he knows nothing about outdoorsmanship. And if you taught it to him, it wouldn’t help. There’s no amount of learning about following a river bank or looking for moss that will help him. The only way he can get better is if you increase his performance speed.

    Now, chess is a very mathematical thing. After decades it should be possible to get a computer to play chess like a person. In a lot of situations you’d prefer it if a chess bot could play like a person; say, for practicing. But they’re lousy at it. If you want to have a bot play at 1000, you’ll probably have to program it to play around 2500, then program in blunders. It’ll play like a 2500 rated player who’s having a stroke, not like a 1000 rated player.

    This comment is too long already. You see where I’m going with this. AI can write, but it doesn’t write like a person, and I have serious doubts it’ll ever be able to, short of hard-coding.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Pinky says:

      Everyone looked at “Neuromancer” as the Future Roadmap, but I’d instead point to “Dogfight” (from the “Burning Chrome” paste-up). Because the idea there was that if winning is the only thing that matters, then a barely-competent hyper-fast player is preferable to the most skilled and experienced player that might exist, and what matters is who’s got the best hardware (with drugs being part of the hardware). You can play sloppy if you’re able to react to your own errors before the opponent does.Report

    • Juliet in reply to Pinky says:

      You’re right it would never write like a person. Unless it develops to have emotions such a person puts in emotions when they write. What do you think AI would be in the future? I think AI would be everywhere. Humans would believe in AI over a human although it’s made by human code to make AI to be as perfect as it can be. AI would make us learn new things and evolve our technology.I wish I can be that change of where AI changes everything but there would always be trial and error. Even coding has its limits. Such as the autonomous car has its blinds spots. After Chat GPT and Open Al and Google… What’s the next big thing?Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    AI is a fun and handy toy right now that is doing a great job helping with simple shell scripts, ad hoc poetry, and is getting better at drawing boobs every day.

    Every time I’m inclined to think “Eh, this ain’t *THAT* impressive”, I remember that GPT-2 came out in February 2019 and GPT-3 came out in June 2020.

    What will come out in 2025?Report

  5. Jaybird says:

    I did some more playing around. I wanted to see what the possibilities were with “Your Momma” jokes.

    Bing’s AI is impressing me.

    ChatGPT’s is not.

    Lemme tell ya, if we came out with AIs in 1990, “Your Momma” jokes would be considered one of the things that AI was for.

    Applying handcuffs forged from the current morality is an awful, awful way to make an AI. If anything, it seems a good way to prevent one from showing up at all.

    Then again: Maybe that’s the point.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Jaybird says:

      Talking to my buddy about this, I noted that its “Your Momma is like Covid” jokes weren’t particularly good.

      He pointed out that the jokes were on the level of what a precocious 7 year-old would come up with.Report

  6. Damon says:

    ChatGPT falsely accuses a law professor of a SEX ATTACK against students during a trip to Alaska that never happened – in shocking case that raises concerns about AI defaming people.

    Loved this line: “‘ChatGPT relied on a cited Post article that was never written and quotes a statement that was never made by the newspaper”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11948855/ChatGPT-falsely-accuses-law-professor-SEX-ATTACK-against-students.html

    Ain’t technology great?Report

  7. North says:

    I’ve fooled around with CharGPT a bit and found it alarmingly immersive. It isn’t great at writing stuff, maybe C- material but having a tool that functions like a C- writer that writes whatever the heck you want? That is scary. I’m using it to flesh out the dungeons for my D&D campaign right now.Report

    • Pinky in reply to North says:

      I think it’d be great for that. Details that aren’t essential, and created without whatever personal ruts the DM might fall into. Nothing inspirational.Report