It’s Warhammer 40,000 Time

Andrew Reeves

Andrew Reeves holds a PhD in Medieval Studies and is a history professor at Middle Georgia State University. In addition, he owns entirely too many Warhammer 40,000 minis.

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26 Responses

  1. DensityDuck says:

    One of the useful things to remember is that the 40K universe is a place where there really are Things Man Was Not Meant To Know and that being a contrarian free-thinker really does carry the risk that you’ll turn into a Snot Demon.Report

  2. DensityDuck says:

    “writers and critics increasingly seek to make sure that the arts and literature have a moral message lest they propagate harmful ideologies. ”

    Although this, too, is nothing new. Remember “knowing is half the battle”? And how there always seemed to be an episode of every kids’ cartoon that was The Drugs Episode?Report

    • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

      I’m assuming that this is not being done by people who remember “very special episodes” of their favorite shows.Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

        It’s rather disappointing to learn that all along, the idea that Very Special Episodes were silly stupid pandering was more an expression of GenX Morality than it was basic media criticism…Report

        • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

          It wasn’t GenX that made the episode of Diff’rent Strokes where Arnold and Dudley went to Mister Carlson’s bike shop.

          It was GenX that realized that those episodes didn’t work.

          And now it’s time for the creators of today to learn the same lessons that the people who made Diff’rent Strokes learned.Report

          • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

            I think it’ll be different, because the episodes will be meeting the goals of the people who wanted them made (to wit: show that when they say “frog”, media creators jump). Whether the viewers actually receive any wisdom or change their behavior is irrelevant.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

              You need to be eternally vigilant for that to work eternally.

              My money is on the basement dwellers having a lot more endurance than the people who want to make the world a better place.

              See, for example, the last time this sort of thing happened.Report

  3. DensityDuck says:

    It’s also kind of amusing that it’s like:

    “In the grim darkness of the far future, literally every faction has something terribly wrong with it.”
    “What about the Tau?”
    “Oh, they’re the worst of all – they’re socialists!Report

    • Andrew R. in reply to DensityDuck says:

      There was a bit of a “patch” when the lore was changed so that the Ethereals were actually mind controlling everyone, but I prefer the version in which they’re okay actually but find themselves in the 40k setting.Report

  4. Chip Daniels says:

    The idea of war being glorious and fun is eternal among adolescents of all ages. So this game fits in perfectly with the way that children and adolescents have always played with green army men and tin soldiers.

    And this is normal and a natural part of maturation, to envision the world as a simple place where justice (meaning ourselves as the protagonist) will always triumph over those we contest.

    But like all the countless young men who marched gallantly off to war then returned home broken in spirit, most of us discover that the world isn’t as simple as we imagine and that the enemy can shoot back, and win.

    So its not surprising to see another generation thrilling to the idea of war, endless war, where there are no rules but survival, no morality to get in the way of our own will and drive for victory.

    Not surprising either, to see their shock and dismay when they discover that their world is shared by people who don’t share their ideas. And to see their anguish and rage when those other people exercise power and agency to reshape the world in a way our protagonists don’t approve of.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      this is an odd comment to write about a game where the outcome of virtually any match is that 90% of each side is dead

      like

      say what you will about Warhammer 40K, nobody plays a game of it and thinks “the lesson I have learned today is that war is a survivable exercise”

      also lol at the idea of someone looking at 40K and thinking “this is an example of a no-rules activity”Report

      • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

        This is why I don’t think that the whole “woke” thing will stick.

        You can add fifty genders to the Space Marines but someone woker will always be able to point out that, maybe, you should be working on something that has “Peace” in the name rather than “War”.

        Why not something that will help people learn to cook? Instead of a game about killing people?Report

    • James K in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      Warhammer 40K’s setting is a good setting for miniature wargames, because it gives a plausible reason why any army might fight any other army (even ones that are in-principle on the same side), which helps make tournament or pick-up games make more sense. It honestly doesn’t need to do any more than that.Report

  5. Pinky says:

    A pet peeve of mine: Warhammer 40000 is set 38 millennia in the future, not 40.Report

  6. InMD says:

    I’m wondering if appetite hasn’t already peaked for this sort of thing.Report

    • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

      It strikes me as something that could very well work if it’s handled right. If it’s low-budget, only the hardcore fans will watch it. The funny thing is that, if it’s successful, a lot of people will think it’s just a Game of Thrones ripoff, when it’s actually a ripoff of nearly everything else.Report

      • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

        Yes and to your point I wonder what the budget will be. I’d have to think they’d be nervous about the kind of investments made in House of the Dragon or Rings of Power. At the same time wouldn’t the whole point of doing it require at least a couple really big (and pricey to stage and/or CGI) battle scenes?Report

        • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

          If you do the Horus Heresy, it’d take five years and cost > $1B per season. If you do a miniseries about Imperial Knights you could do it in animation. Since Henry Cavill is a big name and cares about the property, I’d expect a well-funded smallish story on the scale of one of the video games. Smallish in 40K means a planet’s population gets destroyed.

          I don’t understand the financial decisions made by streaming services, and the stock market indicates I’m not alone in that. So who knows.Report

          • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

            I know next to nothing about Warhammer 40k but what I picked up from a friend long, long ago who was into it. But from that, if I was going to do it, and wanted some hope of differentiating myself from the fantasy shows, I’d send Superman to investigate what turns out to be a genestealer cult then have it culminate with the hive arriving to kill everyone including all of the main characters.

            Do it hard R rated to make it less fantasy, more sci-fi horror with a bit of a mystery involved like the first season of the Expanse. Maybe that could keep the scale and budget under control, and drive cross genre appeal. However I have no idea if that would be deemed offensively simplistic to the gaming community who this is really for.Report

    • Andrew R. in reply to InMD says:

      I think that grimdark prestige TV definitely peaked in the middle of last decade, but I also think that there’s still a demand for something between All 1986 Frank Miller All The Time and what I believe the kids today are calling squeecore.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Andrew R. says:

        Deconstructing previous stories is *AWESOME* if people are familiar with the previous stories.

        If people are familiar with Homelander but not Superman, Homelander doesn’t hit hard at all.Report

  7. Marchmaine says:

    “Forty thousand years from now, a crumbling fascist theocratic empire rules the galaxy”

    Whelp, it was a good integralist run at least…Report