About Last Night: CCM Wins Nevada, Democrats Keep Senate Majority

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  1. Michael Cain says:

    Warnock may no longer be critical, but he’s the difference between real control of the committees and another power-sharing arrangement with McConnell. People tend to forget that little is introduced directly to the floor; almost all of it goes through committees where there’s no tiebreaker.Report

  2. InMD says:

    I’m genuinely curious to see how hard Republicans are willing to show up for Walker with this news. I’m not making any predictions, and it’s possible they still will, but I also wonder how many people who felt like they were holding their noses will find something else to do for the run off.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to InMD says:

      I don’t think enough. The people who voted for the libertarian candidate were probably more right-leaning than left-leaning and will not show up. The people who voted for Kemp and held their noses to vote Walker for Senate control have no incentive to show up.Report

      • DavidTC in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        Yeah, this.

        Everyone in the state knows what Walker is, uh, not a good choice for operating a cash register, much less a Senate seat.

        Meanwhile, no one has actually been able to make any attacks stick on Warnock besides the most generic ones. It’s extremely hard to even _conceive_ of Warnock doing a fraction of the stuff everyone knows Walker did.

        So a good chunk of the narrative being pushed for Walker was ‘You need to vote for him to regain the Senate from Dem control’ and ‘Don’t worry, he’ll just sit silently and vote for the party’.

        That argument just stopped working.

        Now it’s a choice of ‘Who seems like they could competently represent this state and what sort of impression does our choice make?’Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to InMD says:

      Yeah… no idea.

      On the one hand Walker underperformed Kemp so we already know that enthusiasm is reduced.

      On the other hand, with NV going blue… this is a now a national defensive play which should boost enthusiasm.

      On the gripping hand, it isn’t for majority control, it’s for procedural negotiation over committee assignments which does what for enthusiasm?

      Bottom line… Walker is an unforced error the magnitude of which we’re still assessing.Report

      • DavidTC in reply to Marchmaine says:

        On the gripping hand, it isn’t for majority control, it’s for procedural negotiation over committee assignments which does what for enthusiasm?

        I don’t think the average voter is even going to follow that.They don’t even understand the closure rules. They’re going to read headlines saying ‘Democrats have majority in Senate’ and stop there.

        Note this applies to _both_ sets of voters.

        Bottom line… Walker is an unforced error the magnitude of which we’re still assessing.

        I think at some point we have to stop pretending ‘Republican voters picking, as candidates, the stupidest and more incoherence humans that ever existed’ is an _error_. It’s very clear they just have different requirements than Democratic voters, or Republican leadership or that matter.

        And those Republican voter qualifications are…uh…’sorta famous for something, like playing football or being an attractive woman or claiming to be a billionaire or just shows up a lot on the TV’.Report

      • InMD in reply to Marchmaine says:

        Yea. Another big question for the GOP is if they want Trump in GA stumping for him. Not sure if Kemp credibly can and I can think of a lot of reasons he might not want anything to do with it.Report

  3. Saul Degraw says:

    Warnock will likely have an easier time in December. Walker had a lot of people holding their noses to vote for him. I doubt they come out.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    Saul’s bold predictions: 1. The Democrats will retain a very slim majority in the House based on the outstanding seats;

    2. If the Republicans get a slim majority, Kevin McCarthy will not be speaker.Report

    • DavidTC in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      I can’t quite bring myself to sign onto that first prediction, but #2 is certainly true. (And if they do get a majority, it will be a slim one.)

      In fact, watching the Republicans rip themselves apart if they win the House will be at least some level of consolation. I hope Trump injects himself into that.Report

      • Michael Cain in reply to DavidTC says:

        If the majority is slim enough, there may not be a Speaker for weeks. McCarthy has been aiming for this for a long time and won’t give up without a struggle. He’s also unlikely to just turn the Rules Committee and agenda over to the Freedom Caucus (which seems to be their asking price).

        Unlike many people, I don’t think anyone from the Freedom Caucus will actually stand for election. There is no way to avoid the fact Speaker is a whole lot of picky work, and all of them strike me as too lazy to take it on.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to DavidTC says:

        I admit it is a tough climb but last Monday everyone was predicting a red wave because of bizness and stonks and that disappeared quickly. A lot of the outstanding votes will need to break Democratic though.

        Pollsters predicted that Joe Kent had a 98 percent chance of winning. Marie Gulsenkamp Perez won fairly easily.

        I think the pundits and forecasters were being lazy, let themselves be convinced by flood the zone polls from Republicans, and really did think Dobbs and election denial were nothing burgers. Silver refuses to admit that Democrats were right to point out Republicans were flooding the zone with biased polls at the end. I guess being a pundit means never having to admit you were sorry thoughReport

    • North in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      From your lips to God(ess?)’s ears.Report

  5. Chip Daniels says:

    The news is certainly good and getting better so lets all take a moment to breathe and savor the win.

    And then take some time to reflect on the sober reality.
    What the elections results are doing is making it clear where everyone stands on democracy.

    A lot of the races were very clear “Advocates of Democracy” versus “Opponents of Democracy”. The election deniers like Tim Michels in Wisconsin governor race, or the various election deniers in secretary of state races like Mark Finchem all got northward of 45% of the vote. I haven’t seen any which were blowout landslides.

    So now it is a matter of historical record, the number of American voters who are willing to vote to overturn democracy and install minority rule. On average across the country it can fairly be said to be around 45% or so. And that 45% has the advantage of a friendly SCOTUS.

    And since democracy needs to win every time while anti-democracy needs to only win once, we are not going to be out of the woods for a long time yet.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      My take is that elections are going to be very close for the next several years in many districts with razor thin victory margins. Just enough voters are turned off by full frontal fascism to reject it but plenty support it. There seems to have been a big swing towards Republicans in Asian-American communities this election, with something like 46% going Republican.Report

      • InMD in reply to LeeEsq says:

        As long as the Democrats are perceived as sympathetic to what I think is best described as an anti-educational excellence and anti-aspirational agenda they’re going to punch below their weight with voters they should win handily. They’re going to have a great opportunity to pivot in the near future when SCOTUS holds race-based affirmative action in higher ed to violate the constitution. The question is whether they can take that as the favor it’s going to be.Report

        • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

          I can only hope the Court will decide that way. But how do you see that being a positive for the Democratic Party?Report

          • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

            It isn’t guaranteed to be a positive. What it (probably) will present is a convenient opportunity to drop a high visibility political loser from which many other high visibility political losers spring. There will be an opening to recalibrate to more mainstream, reasonable positions without officially conceding the principle, if they want to take it.Report

            • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

              So your thinking is that the plank is a drag, not that there’s a policy opportunity?Report

              • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

                No, not quite. I think losing the dragging plank by decision of a conservative Supreme Court is great cover to revisit preferred policy, hopefully to something both better and more defensible. That is what I hope they do.Report

              • Pinky in reply to InMD says:

                I thinkhope that the average voter is more like you than Chip, but the average Democratic voter is going to take this as a call to storm the Supreme Court building again.Report

              • InMD in reply to Pinky says:

                Sadly my crystal ball is at the shop but I struggle envisioning that kind of reaction. We’re talking about something that couldn’t even win a referendum in California, not loss of a broadly popular individual right.

                The real risk is that the small constituency committed to the policy refuses to give up on it in the cultural and activist spaces where they have influence.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to InMD says:

          “Are perceived”.

          This is weasel wording.

          If you don’t like affirmative action, make a case for ending it. Using “a bunch of people who aren’t here and who I have never spoken to but let me describe how they feel” isn’t persuasive.
          Especially when you hide it behind an invented buzz phrase like “anti-educational excellence”.

          I assert that over the past half century, affirmative action has vastly improved the quality and quantity of American higher education.

          Use that as your starting point, and make a case against it.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            I don’t know how many schools we had without a single student proficient in math or reading in 1972 but I can’t help but feel like it was fewer.Report

            • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

              For any other commenters who feel like responding, I’d prefer to just ignore this comment since it has nothing to do with the topic and is useful only for threadjacking.

              Thanks.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

              Interestingly you’d be wrong about math, and probably sort of wrong about reading:

              https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cnj/reading-math-score-trends

              Also note that in 1972 many southern public schools were still openly segregated, which has a long established data set on outcomes – none of which is good.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

                Part of Chip’s main point is that the schools in the good part of town are better than the good schools in 1972.

                Hey, I got a world-class high school education. My argument isn’t that the schools in the fat side of the tail on the right aren’t better. They are.

                Were the schools on the left side of the tail worse when it came to proficiency? Specifically, the “not a single student being proficient” thing?

                I’m open to the argument that the average was lower and now it’s higher (that’s what the data shows, after all)… but it also strikes me that the left side and the right side of the curve are fatter.Report

          • InMD in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            There’s no evidence to support that. Or at least not any that anyone was able to articulate in oral arguments.

            But anyway I don’t understand why speaking with some nuance is called ‘weasel words’ whatever those even are. To be clearer I am saying is that it is an obvious political loser based on its polling and electoral history and I don’t think the rank and file lean D or gettable D voters necessary to win are particularly invested in it. Not as currently conceived and operationalized anyway. And the downstream of the concept is even more toxic where it results in elimination of testing, elimination of advanced placement, and dumbing down curricula, not because students aren’t capable, but because some bureaucrat somewhere is embarrassed by demographic appearances. That is the anti-excellence agenda I am referring to and people are right to oppose it.Report

            • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

              because some bureaucrat somewhere is embarrassed by demographic appearances

              Does it ever occur to you that many of those bureaucrats – who are by and large trained educators no longer teaching in class rooms – are perhaps trying to increase equality of both opportunity and outcome with the limited tools they have at their disposal?Report

              • InMD in reply to Philip H says:

                I think most people believe they are doing good. But I also know enough about how people work to understand that when it comes to difficult problems they’d rather find ways to rig a superficial outcome making it look like they’ve solved something when they haven’t, including at the expense of others and the larger mission. It’s not a coincidence that universities and other educational systems try to keep their efforts on these matters under wraps. It’s also not a coincidence that every once in awhile when something leaks we get a glimpse into crude, reductive, racial gerrymandering all for the sake of appearances over substance.Report

            • Chip Daniels in reply to InMD says:

              Affirmative action doesn’t need to be strict quotas, but any range of actions which affirmatively reach out and offer redress to victims of discrimination.

              This is necessary because there was, and still is, affirmative actions that are taken to oppress and discriminate against racial minorities and prevent them from advancing in society.

              And as for results, there is a large body of scholarship today that wouldn’t exist without black scholars. Our understanding of history and culture is different due to the inclusion of minority voices.Report

              • InMD in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                To your initial point, I think that we need to approach the subject specifically instead of in the abstract. The question in this case is not going to be whether schools can pursue diversity, it’s whether they can continue to use race as a factor in those considerations.

                There’s no similar constiutional question about say, stating that every student in the top 10% of his or her high school will be accepted to a state university, or additional points for people from a household below the federal poverty line.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to InMD says:

                When race is a powerful factor in every other political decision made, yes race absolutely must be taken into account when considering college admissions.

                Because “Who applies for college in the first place” is itself the result of affirmative action, for white people. Jaybird has done a pretty good job of illustrating how segregated American schools have become, and thus the resulting imbalance of educational outcomes.

                If its constitutionality you’re worried about, we could take a page from the Republican playbook and reverse it- just say that 10% of all incoming freshman be from inner city zip codes.

                No racism, just, privileging people from inner city neighborhoods.

                Or legally outlawing legacy admissions, or any of a dozen different facially neutral but essentially race-based mechanisms.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Throwing woefully underprepared students into college and calling it “justice” seems like a good way to make sure that the underprepared get stuck in a bad feedback loop.

                I’m sure that the very rightmost of the tail will do well (maybe even thrive) but… what’s the goal?Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                Which is why we must ban legacy admissions and sports scholarships.

                We can also take affirmative steps to improve education at all levels, beginning with daycare and pre-K programs.

                But it needs to start with an acknowledgement that some affirmative action is needed and desired.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I’d be fine with banning legacy admissions and sports scholarships.

                (Though I would be interested in seeing what both of those do to diversity numbers. Probably end up being a wash.)

                Daycare and pre-K would probably give people a nice head start. But if we have 10 years of various schools having students in the single digits for proficiency, we’re going to find that “affirmative action” ain’t gonna fix the problem.

                Wait, maybe it will… what’s the problem again?Report

              • Slade the Leveller in reply to Jaybird says:

                “Daycare and pre-K would probably give people a nice head start.”

                I see what you did there. I was one of those kids in the ’60s.Report

              • InMD in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                None of those last proposals you reference are race-based, and they aren’t at issue in the case in question.

                And to my larger point none of them inherently lead to a place where we’re talking about ending blind testing or GT programs or loosening basic standards of rigor in k-12 because we don’t like the way the demographics look, none of which is actually solved by the kinds of affirmative action at issue anyway, so much as it is swept under the rug. That is the issue that is anti-excellence and where I think the pivot should happen. The goal should be excellent public services for all, not muddling up processes just for the sake of sensitivities about superficial appearances.Report

              • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

                The goal should be excellent public services for all, not muddling up processes just for the sake of sensitivities about superficial appearances.

                When you have few, and shrinking, resources to address that issue, you make the choices you can. Eliminating things that create differential opportunities and differential outcomes keeps costs down.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                The means may be unjust, but they’re necessary for the end goal of research into critical race theory.Report