Sunday Morning! (Part One) Boredom and Bloat

Rufus F.

Rufus is a likeable curmudgeon. He has a PhD in History, sang for a decade in a punk band, and recently moved to NYC after nearly two decades in Canada. He wrote the book "The Paris Bureau" from Dio Press (2021).

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  1. Saul Degraw says:

    In many ways, we are drowning in culture and monoculture. It is strange. Netflix has become a prime importer of foreign TV which would have been inaccessible for the most part in the recent past. Disney is a huge cultural-entertainment complex hegemon.

    I read Goldberg’s article found it made sense. It also took me into a rabbit hole last Sunday on the Dimes Square scene including Taylor Lorenz declaring it a non-scene and some extremely long and bitter rants by a guy named Mike Crumplar.

    https://mcrumps.substack.com/p/my-own-dimes-square-fascist-humiliation

    In terms of cultural cache, I do think it used to be more valuable but only in certain times and places. My parents were middle-class second-generation Jewish-Americans who grew up and spent in their early 20s in and around NYC. My mom remembered going to free classes at the Met and some early performances at LaMaMa. She was taken on a high school trip to see Leonard Bernstein rehearse the New York Philharmonic right before the opening of Lincoln Center. I was raised with the old-school view that it is important to have cultural tastes and interests beyond merely studying something that will earn you a good middle-class or above life.

    But there was a sea-change against this view sometime during my life and it is seen as a luxury now. There was a time when studying business was considered what your not so bright distant cousin did in university. Now the most common major is business. There is also the fact that we are a fractured culture. Two people can have cultivated and obscure cultural-artistic niches and still see each other as lame based on those interests or possibly from different orbits.

    The Dimes Square scene is hard to make out. You have a bunch of 20 and 30-somethings hanging out in a small part of Manhattan. Many of these people want to be writers. Some seem to be of the “do you have a day job?” class. Others seem to be part of or flirt with the arch-reactionary Catholic rad trad subset because it allegedly offends the bien pensant thinking from the older sibling progressives in Brooklyn. Well, they are as arch-reactionary as you can be while still liking to do lots of coke and drinking.

    The young playwright of this moment is called Matthew Gasda. He grew up completely middle-class in Bethlehem, PA and studied at Syracuse.* He made it to NY right after graduating from college and then spent a decade working as a teacher and tutor while writing plays in obscurity and self-production. Somehow (and the articles never makes it clear how), he establishes some friendships with the children of famous authors and his loft-produced play gets coverage in the Times. In this, you have Crumplar who styles himself as an ideological foe to the maybe or maybe not reactionaries of Dimes Square but is also clearly jealous as hell of all the coverage the scene gets and wants to be profiled in the New York Times and Vulture too.

    Meanwhile, as Taylor Lorenz observed on twitter, Dimes Square and its dissenters are just 2000 people that the overwhelming bulk of humanity has never heard about.Report

  2. InMD says:

    Veronica got at what I thought was a very insightful point when we were talking 90s music here:

    https://ordinary-times.com/2022/04/05/grunge-was-the-90s-music-palate-cleanser-not-its-highlight/

    I have come to think that one of the interesting, unintentional consequences of the death of the cultural gatekeepers has been the disintegration of the counter-culture. While I don’t mourn the loss of a handful of record labels as arbiters of what is and isn’t suited for popular consumption I do maybe think we lost something with the odd little backdoors and cracks in the facade that fed bigger, more unified subcultures of music and art.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to InMD says:

      Stupid wordpress ate my comment. The thing about a lot of indie music is that it sounds just like the stuff that came out in the 1990s and early aughts. This is a video from a band called Horsegirl. I like it. All the women in this band were born after I graduated from college or close to it. If you transported them back to the 1990s or 2000s, they would be right at home including their clothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBuOJF_rX40

      This is what people mean when they talk about culture being stuck.Report

      • InMD in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        Wow. Both of those bands have clearly mastered what they’re going for but I hear what you’re saying. It sounds stuck in time.Report

      • Rufus F. in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        Yeah, jesus, that video says it was posted in March of this year, but in my mind I can hear the Beavis and Butthead commentary.Report

        • Slade the Leveller in reply to Rufus F. says:

          It’s rock and roll music, gents. The last truly new movement in that genre was grunge, and that happened 30 years ago. There’s only so much room for innovation.Report

          • InMD in reply to Slade the Leveller says:

            Originality is awesome when you can find it but I’ve come to also appreciate craft. I’ve been on a kick with the guys in the below link. Even if they aren’t breaking new ground they know how to rock.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0KwmS8KTAReport

          • I think this is true, but it’s not the full picture. There haven’t been any coherent new movements since grunge within rock’n’roll (that’s all happening in electronic music, and to a lesser extent, hip hop now), but there has been a bunch of “experimental” rock that is more or less influential on artists who are doing 60s-90s rock music with contemporary twists. The problem with “experimental” music is that, by definition, it doesn’t lend itself well to coherent movements, even if it can lead to the start of new ones.

            A good dissertation topic might be on the question of why experimental rock isn’t producing new movements these days. Is it something about how we access music? Is it something about the sheer amount of music we have access to? I dunno.

            Also, I have hope that we’ll get new movements in the future. Jazz, another genre of western music that had become somewhat stagnant (though there were always a few artists doing innovative, or experimental things), is experiencing a sort of renaissance as young people (especially in England, for some reason) begin to put together jazz, hip hop, rock, and electronic music.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to InMD says:

      Here is another new indie band that sounds like they could have been around when I was in college twenty years ago and more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZWxWsEiGBQReport

  3. LeeEsq says:

    I think the actual answer might be a combination of W. David Marx’s status no longer being tied to cultural sophistication and Lorentzen’s the cultural conservatism of conglomerates. Like my brother pointed out, status as not always tied with cultural sophistication. For a big part of American history, the elites loathed the avant-guard and cultural sophistication. They could be rather philistine during the late 19th and early 20th century. It was only during a brief period from the 1920s to the 1980s, give or take a decade, that having cultural sophistication and liking the avant-guard in art conveyed status. It was also during this time period where the cultural entrepreneurs believed they had some duty to force this upon the masses whether they liked it or not. David Sarnoff, founder of NBC, and John Reith of the BBC were very much big believers in making people eat their cultural vegetables.

    Sometime around the 1990s, give or take, the link between status and cultural sophistication became delinked for various reasons. At the same time, media conglomerates also lost the vestiges of the eat your vegetables philosophy. A lot of this was because cable, satellite, and eventually streaming ensured that there was no time when the media companies could do this. The rise of slob populism was also a contributing factor. Now the media conglomerates only want tried and true things that made money. So the delinking of status and cultural sophistication led to the cultural conservatism of the media conglomerates.

    I’m also wondering if expanding social liberalism, despite certain setbacks, plays a role in this. A lot of the avant-guard was done by mainstream society forcing say LGBT people and other minorities into the peripheries of society. They created sub-cultures and these sub-cultures led to some great artistic culture. Without the official need for sub-cultures to provide protection, you don’t have the need or necessities for adventurous culture because the mainstream is more open.Report

  4. LeeEsq says:

    Going further with my last paragraph, a lot of the great cultural advancements occurred when social conservatism and conventional morality were really more widespread and you had this big cross class group that you could shock relatively easily. Since it is much harder to shock people now, especially from a liberal-left perspective, then it becomes harder to have this avant guard culture and really arguing what makes your artistically and culturally sophisticated. People are going to roll their eyes at your niche tastes rather than finding them revolting or scandalous. One reason why so many would be avant-guard people are attracted to things like trad Catholicism Is that is how you get the shock in the days of “In this house we believe.”Report

  5. DensityDuck says:

    Pop culture is “boring now” for the same reason that comedy got boring in 2008.Report