Justice Department Details “Obstructive Conduct” in Mar-a-Lago Search Response
The Department of Justice filed a response to former President Trump’s request for a special master to oversee the documents and property seized during the execution of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and detailing the events leading up and during the August incident at the former president’s primary home.
Read it for yourself here, news story follows below:
gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0_1
Among the filings submitted to the court is a redacted FBI photo — taken during the Aug. 8 search of Mar-a-Lago, the Justice Department said — of records recovered from a container in Trump’s office that include cover sheets for classified information with the markings “SECRET//SCI” and “TOP SECRET//SCI.” The documents are positioned next to a container with a framed Time magazine cover, among other items.
Visible on the cover sheets is the message “Contains sensitive compartmented information up to HCS-P/SI/TK.”
Federal prosecutors told the court that in some instances, “even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review” of the records seized in this month’s search required additional clearances before they could review certain documents, suggesting that they found the records to be extremely sensitive.
Investigators are probing Trump’s alleged mishandling of classified documents, specifically records that he took from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago residence when he left office in January 2021, as well as possible obstruction of the investigation.
The Justice Department revealed Friday that earlier this year, investigators found 184 unique documents bearing classification markings — including 67 documents marked confidential, 92 documents marked secret and 25 documents marked top secret — in material the National Archives and Records Administration initially collected from Trump in mid-January. The Archives later referred the matter to the Justice Department for further examination.
In their latest filing, federal prosecutors said that during the course of its investigation, the FBI “developed evidence” indicating that in addition to the 15 boxes retrieved by the Archives in mid-January, “dozens of additional boxes” likely containing classified information remained at Mar-a-Lago.
To retrieve those additional classified records, the Justice Department obtained a grand jury subpoena and on June 3, three FBI agents and a Justice Department attorney visited Mar-a-Lago to get the materials, according to Tuesday’s filing. The officials received from Trump’s representatives a “single Redweld envelope double-wrapped in tape,” prosecutors said. Trump had previously claimed that he “voluntarily” accepted the subpoena and later invited investigators to Florida for the June 3 meeting.
According to the Justice Department’s response, an unidentified individual characterized as the “custodian of records” for Trump’s post-presidential office provided federal law enforcement with a signed certification letter on June 3 that stated a “diligent search” was conducted of boxes brought from the White House to Mar-a-Lago and that “any and all” documents responsive to the grand jury subpoena were turned over.
Records taken from the White House to Mar-a-Lago were stored in a single location, a lawyer for Trump present on June 3 told federal officials: a storage room on the property, the Justice Department said in its response. A preliminary review of the documents conducted by the FBI revealed the envelope contained “38 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 5 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 16 documents marked as SECRET, and 17 documents marked as TOP SECRET.”
“Counsel for the former president offered no explanation as to why boxes of government records, including 38 documents with classification markings, remained at the premises nearly five months after the production of the Fifteen Boxes and nearly one-and-a-half years after the end of the administration,” Justice Department lawyers told the court.
But after the June 3 meeting at Mar-a-Lago, the FBI, according to the Response, claims it uncovered “multiple sources of evidence” that indicated more classified documents remained at the property and that a search of the storage room “would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the premises.” Prosecutors added, “the government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the storage room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.”
It was against that backdrop that the Justice Department sought the search warrant from a federal magistrate judge earlier this month, prosecutors said. During the Aug. 8 search of Mar-a-Lago, federal agents seized 33 boxes, containers or “items of evidence” that contained more than 100 classified records, including information classified at the “highest levels,” according to the filing. Three classified documents were allegedly found in desks in Trump’s “45 Office” and also taken by the FBI.
Whatever you think Trump did, the reality is always worse than you can imagine.
He will still be defended by Americans with chronic oppositional defiance disorder and too cool for school faux-cynicism because said people don’t want to admit that liberal winemom Democrats were correct. That would be so cringe.Report
This truly is vindication of the people who think employees of Initech should gather annually to recite a land acknowledgment of a native tribe, that may once have farmed the parking lot between the fire exit and Chotchkie’s.Report
We already have Jaybird for this sort of thing.Report
I certainly hope that by use of social pressure, you can get other people to agree with you.
If that doesn’t work, try “even more social pressure”.Report
I don’t do social pressure. I say my piece and people react to it as they choose. Maybe if I’m interested enough, I react to the reaction.
Unless that’s what you mean by “social pressure.”Report
Why don’t you like fun?Report
I love fun. You (and Jaybird) are just not very good at it.
Sorry if that’s too much social pressure.Report
You really need the photograph of the documents labeled secret and top secret sprawled across the floor. Trump as an 8 year old petulant child who refuses to clean his room.Report
Here it is:
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Eh, I think that “we already gave back everything” when “everything” was not given back is as straightforward obstruction as you’re going to get. “Oh, you meant *THOSE*?” ain’t gonna cut it.
The fact that the cover sheets were still on the documents was what had my jaw on the ground.Report
My understanding is that this is a photo taken by the FBI during the search after they had pulled contents from one of the boxes and spread them out in order to document the intermingling of classified and personal items. All of the papers that have been redacted are personal material.Report
Is it your assessment that the FBI found those documents spread across the floor? Including the scale marker and evidence number card? And that you’re angry at Trump because he’s messy?Report
I am hoping for a very interesting motive that can lead to a credible prosecution, tough to paint as political. Something like he really was going to peddle this stuff to foreign governments. I suspect another episode of Trump being a sketchy a-hole without more substance is unlikely to get this where it needs to be.Report
“Whatever you think Trump did, the answer is always worse.”
What is worse than Trump sold classified information to America’s enemies?Report
That’s what I’m saying I’m looking for, as opposed to Trump just took a lot of documents he shouldn’t have because he is petty and dismissive of the idea that basic rules and procedure apply to him. Obviously his fans will try to spin anything into a witch hunt but my belief is that something clear and easy for Normie’s to see as nefarious is what it will take to end his career in politics.
It’s sort of like my rule of impeachment. If you can explain what he did in one sentence you’re on the right track.Report
“We have evidence Trump sold secrets to foreign nationals.”
“Stop lying. Trump would never do that.”
“I gave information to countries that are on our side, unlike our so-called allies. They needed to know where the crooked CIA was spying on them.”
“Trump declassified document to share with our true allies, like the patriot he is.”Report
Once that is the opening for Tucker Carlson I will start to have hope.Report
Given that we know this is true and that it explains everything, going beyond this would require evidence that’s been lacking.
I think we’re stuck with what Chip said, i.e. these are crimes regardless of motive.Report
If it’s enough to convict and get prison time I’ll take it.Report
Bad thought in my head this morning. Trump delays this in court until he can run. If he wins, then he can pardon himself.Report
I’m sure that exact thought has crossed his mind.Report
Well then he has no choice but to run. Just the chance of this happening is enough to force it.
Further I doubt this is his only crime. He’s much safer from tax fraud or whatever while he’s in the White House.Report
Yea I suggested that below to Marche. Even just based on how long it often takes to successfully prosecute something like this we could already be pushing up against the next general election without a legal strategy of delay. We still aren’t even at an indictment.
This also adds questions to the larger political calculations involved, like would a prosecution force Trump to run again and is that a gamble worth taking if there is a possibility he might otherwise decide not to?Report
I think this goes to how narrow the indictment might be.
If it’s very narrow about the affidavit stating that all classified docs had been returned with the first set of boxes… it probably has enough teflon for judges to summarily dismiss motions.
But, as I mention above, not 100% sure who Trump might be able to throw under the bus for falsifying this document that he didn’t actually sign. Maybe legally it doesn’t matter, on that I defer to lawyers.
It’s the earnest desire to extend the ‘occasion to sin’ of the Espionage act into the actual sin of Espionage that requires the flagrante delicto that’s currently missing but ardently believed. That? That would drag out for years.Report
My belief is that the only path to a quick indictment and resolution is one where a Trump minion is easily thrown under the bus resulting in charges dropped and leaving Trump technically clean. I do not think him or his brand would take anything that remotely resembles a plea plus slap on the wrist, no jail time, kind of outcome that is often how white collar, bureaucratic sorts of crimes are resolved, even where it is an exceedingly good deal for Trump the individual. My money is that he fights tooth and nail even in that scenario even where no one else would. The whole Trump mystique is that he isn’t just a normal criminal politician that cares about the appearances, he’s a criminal politician that calls the bluffs and comes out on top.Report
Why does motive even matter?
What he did was a crime regardless of motive.
Removing classified documents from the secure chain of custody damages the security of the nation regardless of motive.
He committed a crime. He is a criminal. Why the timid hesitancy to just say it?Report
It doesn’t feel juicy enough to the faux-cynical.Report
I would call myself pragmatic, and results oriented, rather than cynical, faux or in fact.Report
Start with I think Edward Snowden is a hero because of his motivation, even if he did probably break the law.
End with Trump is scum, but he still gets the benefit of the law, as far as I am concerned.
But as I’ve said ad nauseum go get him. I hope they do and I hope he is in a jail cell before 2024. Just make the case clear and for God’s sake stop missing free throws.Report
Yes, we now know that he stole top secret documents and kept them in unsecured locations, and that unnamed people walked freely in and out of the room where the top secret documents were kept.
And we know that he repeatedly lied to the government about it, and hid them from the teams who went there to retrieve them.
But boy, I sure hope they can get some solid evidence!Report
My favorite episode of season 1 of the Trump Show, awful as it was, is the one towards the end where Joe Biden defeated him in an election, from his basement of all places. My least favorite was the tedious span where some wrinkly old dude from the W admin presented a report resulting in nothing, except maybe a de facto win for the bad guy. That part was terrible writing. Call me old fashioned but I like happy endings. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I demand it nonetheless and will only get excited when I am convinced one is within grasp. So maybe next week, but probably not yet for today.Report
I always think it’s best to look at what the home team is saying by way of critique; and Andrew McCarthy at NRO has a pretty good piece out today on the Obstruction charges that are likely coming.
The main context is that as we’ve all noted, the request from the Archives dates back to the beginning of the year and subsequent ‘negotiations’ have produced sworn statements that are obviously contradicted by the raid.
Mishandling of Classified documents is a thing; lying about it is another thing; selling access is a third thing.
#1 was never in doubt; #2 will land someone with a felony conviction (certainly some underling(s), and maybe Trump), and to your point #3 is pure speculation — and isn’t on offer, yet.
The delta gap between #3 and #2 or #1 is twitterfuel.Report
Certainly so. And, as I said to Dark above, if they can actually convict him in the #2 scenario and put him personally in prison such that running is not possible in the next cycle then that is a win. Where I disagree with some of my fellow travelers is the idea that it is possible to beschmirch Trump into unelectability while he remains a free man. We have seen time and time again that is not true.
So to go down this path I think the government needs to either have a #3 or feel like they have Trump caught orange handed in the #2. The worst thing would be to have another spectacle he walks away from. So now I guess we wait and see.Report
truest words posted to OT.Report
Which is why we citizens need to keep making this point, over and over.
The big issue here isn’t the crimes of one man, its the eagerness of some 70 million of our fellow citizens to jettison the rule of law and institute an autocracy.
Because even if Trump does somehow manage to be imprisoned, right behind him is a lineup of DeSantis, Abbot, and a hundred other lawless semi-fascists.Report
Also agreed.Report
You are equating “everyone who votes GOP” with “Trump supporters storming the capital”.
At the moment we’re not even sure if he’s electable even if he gets the nod. For that matter we’re not sure he’ll get the nod.Report
I’m just noting that if the election were held today, the party of Trump, DeSantis and Abbott could pull about 70 million votes.
The party itself has shown itself to be hostile to American democracy.Report
This is like saying that you, personally, are totally good with selling pardons.Report
The fact that you can only point to an invented scandal from decades ago to the anti- democratic moves happening today in Florida and Texas and Michigan illustrates, rather than refutes my point.
It’s like equating mean Tweets to teachers being fired for allowing students to read banned books, or mobs of bigots threatening children’s hospitals.Report
The fact that you call it “invented” illustrates you’re mostly unhappy that Team Red is doing this, not that it’s happening.
If Team Blue were attacking/corrupting democracy you’d be talking about how it’s not really that, or how Red is worse, or how it’s justified.
You have defined Red to be Evil and Blue to be good. In reality they both have the same sorts of problems.
Trump makes things worse but he’ll die and we’ll have someone else come along… and a coin flip chance that he’ll be wearing a blue hat.
[And I’ll skip more recent examples of Blue misbehaving]Report
“If Team Blue were attacking/corrupting democracy…”
Wait. If??
Team Blue holds unfettered power in a bunch of states and cities.
So why aren’t we seeing them attack/corrupt democracy?
Why don’t we see Newsom behaving like DeSantis?
Why don’t we see liberal mobs violently attacking Christian Story Hour, for example?
Why is it that the worst oppression Team Red can claim is “Well, people on Twitter sure are mean to JK Rowling”.
Because the attacks on democracy are coming primarily from Team Red.Report
Someone clear the path to the fainting couch! A liberal has been accused of something!Report
You have to remember Chip – in the minds of a lot of conservatives, extending the vote to blacks and women and Asians and Latinos is an attack on democracy because they aren’t real Americans. Proposals to regulate the militia again are attacks on democracy. Insisting that people be held accountable for their speech are attacks on democracy. Giving every child a decent public education that affirms people’s mental health and protects their sense of themselves is an attack on democracy.Report
Was it DensityDuck who recently simply replied “straw man” to one of these? I mean, what’s the point of us being here if we’re going to pretend we’ve never heard the other side’s opinions and even criticisms before?Report
I’ll assume you are referring to the Clinton’s allegedly selling pardons in exchange for Foundation Donations? Like so many things clinton, a lot of it was investigated and no illegality was found:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
Trump granted just 237 acts of clemency or pardon – notably not for most of the folks who have been implicated in his attempted coup. Obama granted over 1900 – and most of them to people convicted of drug charges.
Strange though how none of the folks except Trump broke the espionage act, not had lawyers lie about possessing classified materials – or incite a mob to attack the capitol during the certification of a presidential election.
But hey, sure, team blue is just as horrible as team red.Report
You are confusing “can be proven criminal in a court of law” with “not corrupt nor an attack on democracy”.
HRC’s campaign got a million dollars. Bill overrode Justice to give a pardon to the husband of the donor. There is no reason for either of these two events other than each other. We can’t prove quid quo in Court.
So yes, she sold pardons, and yes, it wasn’t provably illegal.
That you’re defending this as “not illegal” in a conversation about corroding democracy should showcase just how far Trump’s supporters will defend him.
Trump is way less organized than the Clintons and his MO is to give underlings vague orders and then throw them under the bus when it blows up. If that’s what happens here and he doesn’t go to jail, then that won’t mean that keeping nuclear secrets in your basement is legal (etc) any more than selling pardons is legal.Report
given that Bill was not in office either time Hillary ran, this is not only unethical but likely not true. Ex Presidents don’t “override DOJ.”
And yes, when it comes to Trump and the GOP these days, making the distinction between general thought of corruption and actually legal jeopardy are necessary and wise. Trump was ethically and morally corrupt before he ran – the GOP embraced that and tried to use it to their advantage. Trump continued being morally and ethically corrupt in a way that is now an existential threat to democracy. Even IF Bill could have over ridden DoJ as an Ex-President, that’s not the same order of magnitude threat. Not by a long shot.Report
If you’re not familiar with the basics of the Clinton pardons then I suggest google.
He was getting ready to leave and she was trying to gear up to run. The money was close to the first in her fund and before she became a dominate force.
Absolutely true, but amazingly he was the cleaner candidate.
Depends on whether he can still win elections. If not then he’s an ex-President.Report
He lost a presidential election clearly and handily and managed to get a mob to storm the Capitol. Even as an ex-president he has enormous potential for mayhem.Report
That riot would have gone very differently if the President had been willing to impose order as opposed to telling law enforcement they should go soft on the “protesters”.
As an ex-president he had roughly the same level of power as the others. Candidate Trump might be a different story but we’ve yet to see that.
The real danger is him as President again.Report
The thing I haven’t quite pieced together, given Trump’s standard MO, is why he hasn’t dumped this on an underling as a fall-guy?
The documents are, by DOJ admission, scattered in the boxes… and I’m pretty sure Trump didn’t pack any boxes… and as an Ex-President he’s basically a semi-corporate entity – that is, everything could point to the ‘Official Office of 45’ team – with Trump claiming that he knows nothing and if somebody did a slipshod job of certifying that stuff in boxes was clean… well, that’s what busses are for in Trumpland: the throwing of associates under.
There’s some minor cognitive dissonance between ‘OMG this stuff was just lying around scattered in boxes in a storage room for anyone to find’ vs. ‘OMG he had a highly leveraged cache of carefully curated documents on topics A, B, C and D that was worth billions on the open market which he kept in a vault that makes Oceans 11 look like a convenience store heist’
Absent additional info, my gut says rank incompetence plus overplayed petulance has put him in this position… and perhaps that will finally be enough. But yeah, I’m not sure I see end-game yet.Report
It’s funny you say that, I just saw the below floating around my various news dumps and it goes right in that direction.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-2021-photos-show-no-sinister-plot-documents-mar-lago-raid-fbi-1739132?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1662059046Report
Yes, key to the ‘mundane espionage’ positioning I hear his legal team is crafting.
More seriously though, he may finally be in a legal web that is beyond his usual bluff and bluster.Report
The possibilities abound. Right now I’m envisioning a scenario where a prosecution commences but is dragged out in motions and appeals to the point that the question of whether a president can pardon himself is a live issue in the next election.Report
Slight variation on Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence.Report
Yeah, that’s the baseline. Any sort of bonus espionage or light treason probably doesn’t originate with the National Archive subpoena.Report
The problem is they found these documents with his passports. So when Trump drops his passport off in the corner, it’s on top of something that says on it’s cover “top nuclear secrets”.
Another problem is, after Justice tells them they accidently walked off with stuff they really shouldn’t have, Trump’s lawyers told them they were giving everything back… and that was a lie.
My expectation is we’re looking at the guy in charge giving literally insane orders (take everything, I don’t care if it’s classified it’s in my desk so it’s mine) to people who actually carried them out.Report
I liked the part in the argument against a special master that “executive privilege” as the term is understood means Congress can’t demand every paper it wants to from the executive branch, rather than allowing the President to keep documents away from other parts of the executive branch that are conducting a normal part of their job. I look forward to reading Trump’s attorneys’ attempt to create a personal privilege for former presidents.
Anticipating follow-on comments, I don’t think even this SCOTUS will create such a privilege.Report
I think this response gets the FBI over the minimal line that’ll allow them to sell the low info public on the idea that the raid was justified and lawful. I don’t think they’re to the line where it’ll start moving low info republicans out of the republican camp or generally hurt the GOP yet but they’re moving in the right direction.
Basically I feel like this has moved out of the “this raid will help the right and Trump and hurt the left” into the “this raid will hurt Trump and neither hurt nor help the right and left”. It’s fantastic news as a political matter. Of course as a practical and principled matter that the former President would so egregiously make off with classified documents and one of the two parties would utterly yawn at it is astonishingly bad and mind blowingly hypocritical considering the mountain they made out of the Clinton email server molehill.Report
Clinton’s email handling and the subsequent Benghazi investigation – both of which resulted in no prosecutions after exhaustive public testimony and investigation – is not really an analogue.Report
The email handling and Trumps theft both involve alleged mishandling of classified information and so are similar much as a rowboat and an ocean liner are both watercraft.Report
Republicans will spin everything has hurting Democrats even when it clearly hurts them. They are incapable of doing popular things so they have to pretend the popular things are not popular.Report
They are unwilling to do popular things. Not incapable. Its an important difference.Report
In our system, a majority that cares slightly about something finds it hard to force that on a minority who cares deeply about it.
That’s a feature, not a flaw.Report
Sure, there is what either side spins and there is what is. The two seldom are the same.Report
There is some reporting that the RNC is now refusing to pay Trump’s legal expenses. If that’s true, Trump may find the quality of his representation again tanking.
https://www.businessinsider.com/rnc-not-paying-trump-mar-a-lago-legal-fees-report-2022-8Report
How much lower can it go?Report
This low:
Trump attorney Alina Habba is upset that the DOJ and FBI are looking into “mundane” crimes like “espionage” at Mar-a-Lago.
“They found these three mundane statutes: espionage and the two others.”
https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1565027550430203907
Sideshow Bob was not available for comment.Report
Lawyers dumb enough to take payment in the form of a night with their god even though ever bar association prohibits lawyers from sleeping with clients.Report
Bar association prohibit lawyers from sleeping with clients because that usually exploits the clients. This would be the opposite.Report
This lawyer?
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/31/1120314031/justice-department-filing-on-mar-a-lago-documents-puts-trumps-lawyers-in-focus
Or this one?
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/31/trump-lawyer-john-eastman-takes-fifth-at-georgia-grand-jury.html
Or these ones? Because they don’t want to be his lawyers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/16/trump-lawyers-fbi-raid/
And I don’t blame them.Report
one wonders why Melania is still working for him.Report
I suspect their pre-nup (and possibly subsequent contracts) are fascinating reading.Report
Her big political cause as first lady was cyber bullying (on which she did nothing). She’s a foreign national who doesn’t care about American politics. She doesn’t get involved with his legal issues, of which there has always been a ton. She’s never asked to do anything illegal or unethical. She has a very good life holding/going to tea parties and such. Presumably she married him for his money and he still has a lot.
Her pre-nup says if they get divorced she gets a fixed amount of money, not a lot by Trump standards.Report
Apparently the Trump “lawyers” have filed a response in which they acknowledge possession of the papers in the photo, sawing off yet another branch upon which so many MAGAts sought refuge.Report
And now we know that there were dozens of empty folders marked “Classified”.
Where are the contents?
No one seems to know.
Who had access to the contents?
No one seems to know.
Did foreign nationals have access?
No one seems to know.
Since the chain of custody for all these classified documents is broken and no one has any ide who may have viewed them, the intelligence agencies have to assume the worst, that all of them are compromised.Report
The NARA has reported fairly recently that they had a number of classified documents that didn’t have the appropriate cover. There is growing reporting that classified folders are not tied to unique documents, but rather, reused repeatedly to indicate that the enclosed document is classified. Another case of the system assuming the participants will follow the rules.
If the Democrats hold both chambers in November one of the likely outcomes of all of this will be classification statutes that mandate making all of it trackable. Among the changes, folders can only be properly used for a specific document, documents have to be in the single folder assigned to them, etc.
Amazing how this happens. There are a significant number of federal statutes that were passed, usually by veto-proof majorities, to keep Nixon from thumbing his nose at Congress.Report
The only change that will matter is for the American citizens to never again give a fascist access to the nation’s secrets.
A man who thinks he personally owns the nation’s secrets can never be entrusted with them.Report
What the definition of fascist here? I’m good with Trump being that (or something) because he refused to honor a election, but I’m not sure how we tell short of that. Do you mean something other than “running against Team Blue”?
I’d be thrilled if we could make “not obviously corrupt” a thing (and that we could somewhat define), but given he was the cleaner candidate when he was elected that wouldn’t have helped.Report
Stop.
Please, seriously stop.
Stop with the “What is fascism” pedantry and hairsplitting. You’re an intelligent guy who reads.
You already know what it is.
Allahpundit in his farewell post over at Hot Air:
The GOP does have a cause. The cause is consolidating power. Overturn the rigged elections, purge the disloyal bureaucrats, smash the corrupt institutions that stand in the way. Give the leader a free hand. It’s plain as day to those who are willing to see where this is going, what the highest ambitions of this personality cult are. Those who support it without insisting on reform should at least stop pretending that they’re voting for anything else.
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/09/02/farewell-to-hot-air-n494121Report
There is a wing of the GOP that’s there… although I’m not sure it’s “fascist” so much as ‘cult”.
Going from that to “the entire GOP” much less “all voters” says more about what you want to see than them. Further your claims long predate Trump and imho will continue after he dies or retires.
This Country owes a debt to Pence and other institutionalists for not backing Trump. I expect that includes the entire Supreme Court as well.Report
I’m just noticing who the rising stars of the GOP are, and who are the ones being sidelined or exiled. And I’m noticing what the other Republicans are doing.
It isn’t Trump who is going after trans people in Texas. It isn’t Trump who is outlawing free speech in Florida. It isn’t Trump who is banning books in Tennessee. It isn’t Trump who threw out a popular initiative on abortion rights in Michigan.
These moves were all done by rank and file Republicans.Report
You are equating “opposed to the policies you like”, with fascism. Note that’s something real fascists do.
When Obama was opposed to Gay Marriage and thus gay rights, was he a fascist or does Team Blue always get a pass on this?
Similarly although small time local Red tends to try to ban books more than Blue, if memory serves, it was more like a two thirds / one third split. Red against sex and it’s variants and Blue against historically accurate culture. Is it “fascism” when Blue tries to ban Huck Fin or whoever for using the N word back in the old South?
It would have a lot more punch to call Trump a fascist if you don’t use that word to mean “not a Democrat”, i.e. virtue signaling to the wrong in-group.Report