Capacious, Ordered Liberty
In my explainer about the leaked draft of the proposed Alito majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization I tried to be objective in my discussion of the proposed opinion and what would happen legally if it became adopted. Today, I’m going to indulge in expressing my own opinion about a facet of the opinion and how it might better be treated.
Deep and Implicit Roots
In Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997), a physician in Washington State wanted to administer assisted euthanasia to terminally-ill patients. Washington (at that time) criminalized this activity. Dr. Glucksberg claimed that his rights under the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment included a right to administer the medical procedure of euthanasia, and therefore Washington’s law was invalid. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the Court, rejected this claim, restating the right of substantive due process with an eye towards checking against people claiming that anything and everything imaginable could be called a Constitutional right this way:
Our established method of substantive-due-process analysis has two primary features: First, we have regularly observed that the Due Process Clause specially protects those fundamental rights and liberties which are, objectively, “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition,” [Moore v. East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494,(1977)}, at 503 (plurality opinion); Snyder v. Massachusetts, 291 U.S. 97, 105 (1934) (“so rooted in the traditions and conscience of our people as to be ranked as fundamental”), and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty,” such that “neither liberty nor justice would exist if they were sacrificed,” Palko v. Connecticut, 302 U.S. 319, 325, 326 (1937). Second, we have required in substantive-due-process cases a “careful description” of the asserted fundamental liberty interest. [Reno v.] Flores [507 U.S. 292 (1993)], supra, at 302; Collins [v. Harker Heights, 503 U.S. 115 (1990)], supra, at 125; Cruzan [v. Director, Missouri Department of Health, 497 U.S. 261 (1990)], supra, at 277278. Our Nation’s history, legal traditions, and practices thus provide the crucial “guideposts for responsible decisionmaking,” Collins, supra, at 125, that direct and restrain our exposition of the Due Process Clause. As we stated recently in Flores, the Fourteenth Amendment “forbids the government to infringe … ‘fundamental’ liberty interests at all, no matter what process is provided, unless the infringement is narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest.” 507 U.S., at 302.
Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702, 720-721.
This passage is often abbreviated as a two-element test, as in the draft Dobbs opinion:
That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.”
Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, draft slip op. at 5 (Alito, J.).
And there, in a nutshell, is the test for whether an unenumerated right is protected by the “substantive due process” clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Careful With That Description
Now, you might be wondering what happened to the third element Rehnquist described in the longer passage above, of a “‘careful description’ of the asserted fundamental liberty interest” and indeed, in Justice Alito’s draft opinion that concept is not mentioned or discussed. Let us not be quick to call fault for this — it is a draft opinion, after all.
Requiring a “careful description” of the proposed fundamental right kind of gives the legal game away. If you’re going to address a claim to an unenumerated right, you can strongly influence the disposition of that claim based on the way in which you frame that right. In every case, you’re going to have a person who wants to do a particular thing. In opposition, you’re going to have a governmental entity of some sort that wants to prevent that person from doing that thing.1 What is that thing? How you describe it will do a lot towards molding judicial opinions about whether that thing is something that can plausibly be considered an individual right or not. As a general matter, the higher level of specificity with which this thing is described, the more likely it is that there won’t be a whole lot of historical support for it (legally) happening, and the less likely it is that there will be a moving moral argument that it should be permitted.
In his Dobbs draft, Justice Alito exerts considerable effort to argue that in ancient Anglo-American jurisprudence, there is a long tradition of criminalizing the induced termination of a pregnancy after “quickening,” which he says is when a mother can feel a fetus move within her womb, then re-defined as occurring between the sixteenth and eighteenth week of pregnancy. (Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, draft slip op. at 16-21, especially pg. 16 & fn. 24 (Alito, J.)) From there, Alito asserts that elective abortion as a matter of right is not “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.”2 Thus does Alito try to win the substantive due process claim by describing “abortion” in such a way that reveals a lack of historical precedent for it.
The Year History Stopped
Alito calls upon us to focus on the way things were in the year 1868, because that’s the year the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified:
On occasion, when the Court has ignored the “[a]ppropriate limits’ imposed by “respect for the teachings of history,” Moore, 431 U.S., at 503, it has fallen into the freewheeling judicial policymaking that characterized discredited decisions such as Lochner v. New York, 198 U. S. 45, 25 (1905). The Court must not fall prey to such an unprincipled approach. Instead, guided by the history and tradition that ‘map the essential components of our Nation’s concept of ordered liberty, we must ask what the Fourteenth Amendment means by the term “liberty.” When we engage in that inquiry in the present case, the clear answer is that the Fourteenth Amendment does not protect the right to an abortion.
Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, draft slip op. pg. 14 (boldface added, other emphases in original).
Altio’s understanding of “liberty” was therefore crystallized at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted. To better understand how this works to push the analysis towards finding against the existence of an unenumerated right, let’s think about voting, not abortion, for a moment.
Do you feel like you have a Constitutional right to vote? If you’re a U.S. citizen and not a convicted felon, I bet you do. But voting is not an enumerated right under the Federal Constitution. But, might voting be sufficiently “deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions” as to qualify as an unenumerated right under the substantive due process clause?
Seems plausible! After all, people had certainly been voting for a long time by 1868. And I’d agree there’s an implication in the Constitution that someone should be voting at some point, because we have the Guaranty Clause. This provides that the several States must provide a “republican form of government.” That, in turn, strongly implies elections, and if you have an election, you need to have someone cast votes, votes that matter in determining the outcome of that election.3 But those voters might not include you.
“No, that can’t be right,” you could object. “The Constitution says a State can’t restrict the franchise.” Well, kind of. The text says that if you are eligible to vote for a member of your State’s legislature, then you must also be eligible to vote for members of the various Federal offices on the same terms. But it’s not explicit that State citizenship necessarily includes the franchise. It does specify that as long as the franchise isn’t restricted on the basis of race, sex, religion, or age over 18, it can be restricted on other criteria. But wait! Does it? A close reading of the Fourteenth Amendment’s Article 1 provides that a State might choose to restrict the franchise on the basis of race, if it is willing to accept reduced numbers of representatives in the House. It just happens that no State has been willing to do that just yet.
Beyond race, sex, religion, and age over 18, conditioning the kind of people who can be qualified to vote, or to vote meaningfully, might be defined by imaginative legislators to a very small number indeed. For instance, a State might take away your right to vote upon your conviction of a felony — even if it turns out that felony conviction is something that happens to members of one racial group more frequently than it does to others.4 A close reading of the Federal Constitution reveals that the right to vote it guarantees is at best implied, and if extant at all, somewhat flimsier than you might have imagined three paragraphs ago.
Property ownership was a requirement to vote for much of our early history; North Carolina had a property ownership requirement as recently as 1856. There is Warren Court-era precedent to the effect that any conditioning of the franchise on wealth violates the Equal Protection Clause, Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966) though Warren Court era precedent with as little marbling with precedent and reasoning as Harper is apparently in low favor with certain members of the Supreme Court these days.5 It’s very easy after reading the Dobbs draft to imagine Justice Alito writing something like:
…as recently as twelve years before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, there were property ownership requirements on the exercise of the franchise; the right of non-property owners to vote, at least as articulated here, was not “deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions.” Unpropertied voters were historically novel in 1868. This notion of a purported right of a non-property owner to vote was not within the scope of ‘liberty’ as that term was understood to the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment. It was not a right in 1868 and it is not a right today.
Or, alternatively, he might write:
…twelve years before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, North Carolina became the last State to lift its requirement of real property ownership as a condition for exercise of the franchise in elections to State office. It did so legislatively, as did all of its sister States who had preceded it. Imposing or lifting such a requirement, therefore, has always been a matter of a State’s legislative and political decisions, and not a matter of Constitutional gravity. If anything, the “deeply rooted” … “history and traditions” of this Nation are that it is up to the individual States to decide whether one needs to own land or not as a condition of voting, and this is not a matter for the Federal government, and in particular the Federal Courts, to examine.6
Nor is there any tradition that your vote have to particularly matter, even cumulated as one among many, many votes. Just for instance, it’s permissible under the Guaranty Clause for a State’s Legislature to select a Governor from between the two candidates who received the most votes if no candidate received a majority, Fortson v. Morriss, 385 U.S. 231 (1966). This seems like an uncomfortable fit with majoritarian principles of democracy, especially if that legislature is gerrymandered such that majority control is held by a party that earned a net minority of votes, for example the way Wisconsin’s is. So as we all recall from 2016, just because a candidate gets the most votes doesn’t mean they win. A “republican form of government” doesn’t mean you get a vote that actually matters; minority rule is sanctioned in all sorts of ways by the Constitution.
I could go on. By now, you can see how the Glucksberg test, intended ab initio to be restrictive, lends itself to cherry-picking history so as to cast claims of rights in a restrictive way. The “deeply rooted in our Nation’s history and traditions” element thus favors finding governmental power instead of individual autonomy. By ending the relevant historical inquiry in 1868, it becomes much easier for a revanchist judge to keep a description of what our rights really are today to a recapitulated version of our country’s Bad Old Days.
Order Is A Fulcrum
Later in the Dobbs opinion, Alito also downplays the notion of “ordered liberty,” defining it as the “boundary between competing interests”: he says both Roe and Casey “struck a particular balance between the interests of a woman who wants an abortion and the interests of what they termed ‘potential life.'” Id., at 31.7 Alito neither offers nor points to any guidance at all about how to best define that balance point, only that there should be one. Neither does the Glucksberg case, nor do any of its progeny.
Thereafter, Alito tasks Roe and Casey for “legislating from the bench” and coming up with the (perfectly reasonable and plausible, in my opinion) balance points of trimesters (Roe) and viability (Casey). It’s certainly true that there wasn’t any precedent, caselaw, or even statutory law cited to point to these places are when the relative balances of interests would shift. Alito’s own reading of Glucksberg requires that there be such a point. But since he doesn’t like the points chosen in those cases (without explaining why) he accuses those cases with creating such balance points from whole cloth, never mind that there wasn’t actually any precedent from which they could have drawn, and that his own read of the law was that they had to pick something as a boundary upon the right.
How to draw the boundary, then? The very phrase “ordered liberty” reminds me that the reason the original Framers abandoned the Articles of Confederation and created the Federal Constitution was that there needed to be a government that guaranteed freedoms, but was simultaneously powerful enough to accomplish needful things like building infrastructure, running a subsidized post office, maintaining a military, and collecting taxes to pay for it all. But we also seek a society in which the “capacious” promise of liberty is meaningfully realized.
There’s a sweet spot between these, where things are lawful but free. A judge, particularly without any attempt at reaching that spot by a legislature to guide, has little choice but to figure out something reasonable and hope that it sticks. But there’s no lodestar principle in the caselaw beyond “what seems to be fair.” Per Alito in the Dobbs draft, this is an absolute necessity, and simultaneously it is also fatally unprincipled.
Same Text, Better Test
The basic idea behind Glucksberg’s limitations isn’t bad, mind you; it’s how it’s come to be used — it renders the notion of unenumerated rights all but a dead letter.8 There’s got to be a better way, and here’s my idea to try on for size.
- The right must be described carefully. This means we should articulate and consider the nature of the autonomous action that the individual will take at multiple levels of generality.
- The right must be deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and tradition. This should mean that whatever the person is actually doing is something generally understood to be an area in which the government typically defers to individual decision-making. Note the use of the present tense.
- The right must be implicit in the concept of “ordered liberty.” This should mean that in determining the existence of the right, we should maximize individual autonomy to the extent reasonably possible.
Element #1: There is no getting around partisans and litigants trying to define the proposed right in question in ways intended to favor their own sides. It’s a fundamental lawyering technique. So a requirement that we understand what’s under discussion in both very specific and more generalized ways is the best I can come up with. Let each side propose both a specific and a general statement of the proposed right under dispute. That will require them to address both specific factual scenarios and broader understandings of what the people affected by the dispute are doing. We can at least encourage good faith even if we can’t guarantee it.
Element #2: My point here is to look at our complete history and traditions. Much has changed in our society since 1868. We should consider ideas, cultural developments, and social concepts more recent than this arbitrary point in time because what the Framers of the Fourteenth thought of liberty might not be the same as us, and we have to decide what rules are going to be on a prospective basis. It’s silly to act like the law attained some sort of apotheosis four years after the end of the Civil War and it’s all been downhill from there. Bear in mind, I don’t suggest that we abandon considering our culture and history. I suggest we consider more of it. Our culture and history are alive, not dead, so let our jurisprudence not pretend they crystallized in amber six generations ago.
As for what to look for, an Alito-like recital of statutes and ancient hornbooks tells us important information, but it isn’t going to be enough. What have people actually done? The law is what is written on the books, true, but it is also what police and prosecutors and lawyers and litigants and judges and juries and jailors actually do. History and traditions are more than laws; they are what people actually do and think and say and experience. Are these areas where people have typically acted on their own, or acted in some sort of relationship with government, or (mostly) done what the government told them to do? If they act on their own, as they please, then the thing in question starts to look more like a right, because individuals acting autonomously without governmental sanction is what rights are. That’s what we should be looking for.
Element #3: This is where most of the analytical effort should go; achieving a capaciously-free, lawful, and pragmatically possible future for the nation is the objective, not a grudging, reluctant, skeptical, retrospective slog through history. We should begin with the presumption that people whose actions do not harm their neighbors may do as they please, and that it is for the government to identify reasons why they should not. We already have a considerable body of jurisprudence informing our ability to identify “compelling governmental objectives,” or “legitimate governmental objectives,” how to identify whether a rule regulating the boundary between individual autonomy and the attainment of those governmental objectives is narrowly-tailored, and so on. United States v. Carolene Products Co., 304 U.S. 144, 152 & fn. 4 (1938).
We will build upon the identification of these unenumerated rights over time; this is the process of creating a common law. The boundaries will evolve over time as we acquire experience. We have done this with free speech. We have done this with criminal procedure. We have done this with the relationship of religious institutions and the government. We have done this with antidiscrimination law. We can do it with unenumerated rights too, if we’re serious about the promise that the Constitution truly does preserve unenumerated as well as enumerated rights.
The more expansive means of identifying enumerated rights I propose here shouldn’t be understood to suggest any particular question would necessarily resolve one way or the other. Back to abortion — I’m not sure whether my expanded interpretation of the Glucksberg test would come out in favor of sustaining Roe or overruling it. I think it would be more likely to sustain, because a) we wouldn’t effectively stop looking at our history and traditions in 1868, and b) we would approach the question of whether something is a right or not with a rebuttable presumption that individuals have autonomy, rather than a presumption that the government has power.
Even if I didn’t like the result in a particular case, I’d feel a little bit better about it if the courts making these inevitable judgment calls were required to approach the issue of individual rights with a presumption of individual liberty, not of governmental power.
- This, by the way, is why I say that there is no such thing as a “state’s right.” Governmental entities have powers. Only individuals have rights. In some spheres of human activity, the individual has the ultimate decision, and in others, the government does. Constitutional law is about judicially determining where an individual right ends and the government’s power begins.
- I anticipate that a dissent will 1) point out the sleight-of-hand in calling all post-quickening abortions with the blanket term “abortions,” thus including pre-quickening abortions in the holding, and 2) point out absences from the historical record for permitted or at least tolerated historical abortions which Alito chose to gloss over in his historical survey.
- I pray that you recall this idea the next time you hear some half-baked claim that the United States “is a Republic, not a Democracy.”
- You will search the Constitution in vain for text authorizing taking the franchise away from felons. That’s a common-law tradition from pre-Revolution Merrye Olde England.
- There are still property ownership qualifications for certain kinds of special local districts, largely those with the power to issue surtaxes on property taxes.
- If the idea of a real property ownership requirement seems unrealistic to you in 2022, how about past military service? Or possession of a high school diploma? Or the ability to produce State-issued photo ID? If there isn’t a fundamental constitutional right, there’s all sorts of ways your ability to vote might be restricted and frankly I don’t care to offer up any additional inspiration to anyone.
- Notice that the “competing interests” are the power of the State to prohibit abortion for the sake of protecting what is here termed ‘potential life,’ and in opposition, the autonomy of the pregnant woman to decide whether to continue or terminate her pregnancy. Rights are the boundaries of individual autonomy as exercised against state power.
- As for unenumerated rights claimed under the Ninth Amendment, to be asserted as against the Federal government, the promise of the text (“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”) is hobbled by caselaw even more constrictive than Glucksberg. In U.S. Public Workers v. Mitchell, 330 U.S. 75 (1947) the Court wrote: “If granted [enumerated] power is found, necessarily the objection of invasion of those rights, reserved by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, must fail.” Conservative legal thinkers like Antonin Scalia and liberal thinkers like Laurence Tribe have both opined that the Ninth refers to “natural rights” that are not Constitutionally protected, so that the omission of a natural right from those enumerated in the Constitution might not be used to exclude it from other discussions. Which, in my opinion, is a distinction without a difference, rights being things individuals may do autonomously, whether enumerated or not. But the prevailing opinion is that such rights are presumptively in place but may be disrupted by the enactment of any positive law, whether legislative, judicial or executive (which is to say, regulatory) in origin. As you might imagine, my thought about the Ninth Amendment is that a regime similar to what I describe for Fourteenth Amendment substantive due process should prevail, particularly one that assumes that such rights exist, and that the Courts should enforce them.
“By ending the relevant historical inquiry in 1868, it becomes much easier for a revanchist judge to keep a description of what our rights really are today to a recapitulated version of our country’s Bad Old Days.”
Sick burn bro, but it also is worth pointing out that there were multiple actual Constitutional Amendments required for it to be true that Everyone Has The Right To Vote. Like, yeah, “times change, people change” but the particular change you’re talking about involved some pretty serious modifications to the governing documents of the country, it wasn’t just an emanation from the penumbra.Report
This is a terrific and well reasoned piece but I reject the premise.
The premise being that Alito is working from a deeply held sincere set of principles which led him to this.
As we see from other decisions like Heller, Alito is perfectly happy to vastly expand unenumerayed rights beyond their original meaning whenever he feels like it.
The real logic at work in Dobbs is “Because we can” and nothing more.Report
I don’t like the whole issue of looking at something that says something in plain English and pretending it says something else.
The 9th is a fine, fine Amendment and it contains a very good rule:
“Just because you don’t see it enumerated doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist so don’t use the lack of enumeration as an argument for it not existing. Use a different argument if you must but you can’t use ‘it doesn’t enumerate it!’ as an argument in and of itself.”
Do women have a right to abortion?
Well… maybe they do. Maybe they don’t. But the fact that the constitution doesn’t mention it doesn’t mean diddly.
Do people have a right to privacy?
Well… maybe they do. Maybe they don’t. But the fact that the constitution doesn’t mention it doesn’t mean diddly.
But there’s so much, sigh, “lawyering” that twists words beyond plain language and everything gets topsy turvy and, after a few iterations, we find ourselves wondering how in the hell we got here.Report
“Do people have a right to privacy?”
On the one hand, the Fourth Amendment.
On the other hand…like I said, that was an Amendment.Report
Yes it was! And, yes, if you want to make a right explicit, you should get 38 states together and amend the Constitution!
But just because it isn’t explicit, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist!Report
Things that aren’t explicit exist right up until someone decides that they don’t.Report
Here’s the deal with the 9th and 10th Amendments. The Constitution gives Congress a list of specifically enumerated powers, and only those powers. Everything not permitted to Congress is forbidden. Some people wanted to add a Bill of Rights to make it extra clear that the Federal Government wasn’t allowed to do certain things. Other people disagreed, saying a) why do we need this when these aren’t on the list of things that the Federal Government is allowed to do anyway, and b) if we make a list of things the Feds aren’t allowed to do, they’ll think they can do anything not on that list.
The 9th and 10th Amendments were the compromise solution. We have a Bill of Rights to make it extra clear that the Feds couldn’t do certain things, and we also have two other amendments to remind everyone that Congress can’t assume that something is permitted just because the Bill of Rights doesn’t forbid it—it still has to stick to the list of powers in Article I, Section 8.
When the 10th Amendment says, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people,” how do we know which powers are reserved to the States and which to the people? That’s for the states and people to work out. It’s just telling Congress to keep its hands off. The whole point of the Constitution was to establish powers and limitations of the Federal Government in order to better manage relations between the states, not to micromanage state governments.
The 14th Amendment changed that by putting additional restrictions on the states, but they were unfortunately rather vague about what those restrictions were.Report
I dig that they’re a compromise but there isn’t even an effort to put together a theory that could hold them in one’s head at the same time as, say, the 3rd Amendment.
We just jump automatically to “inkblot” and start explaining how the 3rd Amendment doesn’t necessarily mean that the Coast Guard can’t quarter in your house, just the Army can’t, because they specifically say “soldier”.Report
You – and Alito, and most of the conservative commenters here – are STILL asking the wrong question. It’s not about a woman’s right to an abortion, it’s about a woman’s right to be in command of her own life and her own decisions. As Density alluded above, woman had to GIVEN the right to vote by Amendment of the Constitution (after essentially engaging in a multi-year cold – medium warm war with their own government to get it). Women were legally forbidden to get a credit card or take out a loan in their own names until the late 1960’s to early 1970’s.
Women are STILL not fully equal in the US< and this decision will roll that back.Report
I am a firm believer in a right to privacy, myself. Like, the government should not have a reach that extends half as far as it does.
You wouldn’t believe who disagrees with that sort of thing, though.
Anyway, the law is, itself, a reflection of the culture underneath. We’re going to find ourselves with a surprisingly accurate reflection after the game is iterated enough times. But, like, the mirror is bigger than just the nice corners where the smart people look.Report
Everyone is a firm believer in the right to privacy when the privacy interest is something they care about, when it’s their own privacy at stake.
Do you believe in my privacy interests, now that’s a different question.Report
I love this comment, BurtReport
Well, you have to understand, my privacy is a right.
Your privacy is privilege extended by the culture that needs to be removed once you’ve established yourself to abuse it. Like by pouring mercury into drinking water or getting an abortion.
This is self-evident.Report
Even enumerated rights have limits, so it’s no surprise that unenumerated ones would too. The term “privacy” covers a lot of ground. There are a lot of steps from an implication of privacy to a right to privacy, to a right to marital privacy, to that right extending to cover abortion.Report
I’m fine with them having limits!
I’m against them being argued against by having people point out “Well, they’re not in the Constitution!”Report
Is that really happening though? Typically the right doesn’t mind unenumerated rights and the left doesn’t bother checking the Constitution.Report
Yeah, nobody reads the Constitution.
It’s too bad.
There’s some good stuff in there.Report
UM . . . no. The right objected strenuously to same sex marriage. the right objected strenuously to legalizing contraception. The right still – and apparently with Supreme Court backing, still objects to women having the right to make their own medical decisions.
The Left does check the constitution. Quite regularly. Which is why, for instance, we keep noting the right to bear arms being conditioned on the existence of and membership a well regulated militia.Report
I’m talking about rights of the people which are unenumerated in the Constitution. You’re talking about judicial decisions that claimed Constitutional grounding that wasn’t there. Note that in the three cases you’re talking about, the Court established a new…you know what, just reread this article. Burt explains the difference.Report
Marriage is a couple of sets of things.
It’s a handful of rights.
It’s a handful of privileges extended.
Denial of the privileges extended reached the point where it became inexcusable because precious few disagreed about the rights.Report
The right of people to freely marry is just a judicial decision that claims Constitutional grounding that isn’t there? Is not in your view an unenumerated right?
Wow.
Just wow.Report
I’m sympathetic to arguments that make marriage strictly religious, rather than religious and secular. But that aside, of course you don’t have a right to marry anyone you want.Report
Do women have a right to body autonomy? Men do in the US, though its not enumerated.Report
I remember reading an article in a southern magazine from 1870 or so, arguing that the abolitionist movement, and the movement to grant rights to former slaves, would soon inspire women to seek rights as well. I’m reminded of that anytime anyone suggests that we should decide anything about women’s rights based on ideas from a time before that.Report
Found it. It was 1871, and you can read it here: https://www.covenanter.org/reformed/2016/5/22/womens-rights-women
Plus ça change…Report
You aren’t going to reasoned the Forced Birthers into a pro-choice position. You need to overpower them politically to do so.Report
Not my intent (with this argument, anyway). My intent is to make the concept of unenumerated rights more than a dead letter. This is a more ambitious undertaking than it ought to be, given the Ninth Amendment and thus by extension, the Fourteenth also. But even in the relatively few comments made so far we see people here who simply can’t accept the idea that the Constitution protects more rights than the ones that are explicit, and others who seem amenable to the idea that there are unenumerated rights, but don’t know how to approach determining what they actually are beyond acknowledging that concept.
Right now, the way that happens is, as a practical matter, “Wait for someone to claim such a right, then compare it to the customs and practices of 1868 (if they’re claiming it as against a State) or 1791 (if they’re claiming it as against the Feds).” I propose we can be more generous than that. Maybe that means we recognize abortion, or privacy, as an unenumerated right. Maybe not. What I’m really hoping is people can agree that we needn’t be bound by nineteenth-century thinking when we ask ourselves “What are our rights?”Report
We’re not bound by the actual 19th century, of course; we’re bound by whatever version of it 5 wackos agree to conjure up. “Originalism” continues to be a sham.Report
I’m not down for grafting a libertarian check on legislation to be administered by the recruiting class of the Harvard/Yale law school. I think the main issue in the country right now is the difficulty of legislating, both at the state and federal level Having an additional screen to maximize individual self-actualization won’t make any of that easier.
I don’t know whether abortion would pass Burt’s test, it looks like it depends on who is on the Court. I think its more clear that it would pass the “Lochner test”: “Is this a fair, reasonable and appropriate exercise of the police power of the State, or is it an unreasonable, unnecessary and arbitrary interference with the right of the individual to his personal liberty or to enter into those contracts in relation to labor which may seem to him appropriate or necessary for the support of himself and his family?”Report
Looks like the latest release is that due process isn’t a right reserved to the people, it’s a privilege granted to citizens.
For years the Natural Law tradcath conservative folks have been telling me that rights and Natural Law were *why* the U.S. constitution was justified: it was based in natural law, and yadda yadda also why Christian nation etc. etc.
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
Nope, not about “persons” at all, apparently, but “citizens”.
Now it’s time to get into the nitty gritty of honing down “citizens”.Report
Did Alito make that argument, or is that your interpretation of his argument? I could actually understand an argument that due process isn’t a human right because it’s based on the legal structure of a given country, but I hadn’t heard that Alito made that argument.Report
The majority in Patel v. Garland (Barrett wrote, but Alito joined):
“Congress has comprehensively detailed the rules by which noncitizens may enter and live in the United States. When noncitizens violate those rules, Congress has provided procedures for their removal. At the same time, there is room for mercy: Congress has given the Attorney General power to grant relief from removal in certain circumstances.
Federal courts have a very limited role to play in this process. With the exception for legal and constitutional questions, Congress has barred judicial review of the Attorney General’s decisions denying discretionary relief from removal. We must decide how far this bar extends – specifically, whether it precludes judicial review of factual findings that underlie a denial of relief.
It does.”
My read:
If the AG makes up some bullshit alleged facts about why they are denying a petition for relief, or relies upon someone elses’ made up bullshit alleged facts about why the AG should deny a petition for relief, the courts cannot adjudicate the decision of the AG, because Congress restricted due process for non-citizens.
So it’s okay for someone to petition the Court if the AG says, “I’m denying this petition because the petitioner is the wrong color, and I don’t like brown people”, because that’s a Constitutional question. But if the AG says, “I am denying this person because they committed multiple felonies in their home country”, the petitioner can’t go to the Court, even if the AG is outright lying about the multiple felonies.
No more due process for non-citizens.
That means due process isn’t for people, any more. Just the right ones. And Congress gets to decide who the right ones are, says SCOTUS.Report
For the layman, I read “All men are created equal” as applying to, well, all men regardless of their documentation status.Report
Pitch framing; it’s not just for catchers.Report
There was no federal right to interracial marriage in 1868 or for almost 100 years afterward. Alito could use the same argument to strike down Loving tomorrow.
(BTW, don’t tell me there’s no constituency for doing so. That’s not the point.)Report
Or Gay marriage . . . or contraception . . . and there are constituencies for all three, some louder or larger then others.Report
There’s no federal right to judicial review and approval of Federal legislation, either; that was something the Supreme Court up and decided it could do in 1803.
I mean, “well maybe THEY WANNA CHANGE THAT TOO”, sure, but if you’re saying “of course the Supreme Court can do that, it’s just what they do” you’re relying on the same “established practice of society is precedent, de factor is de jure” reasoning as Alito.Report
Nah, the federal Civil Rights Act of 1866 implicitly banned racial-endogamy laws, and that Act was subsequently converted into the 14th Amendment. For the next several years, racial-endogamy laws were repealed, went unenforced, and were voided by judges at least where Republicans held sway, including in Southern states during the early stages of Reconstruction. When the Supreme Court began to eviscerate the Fourteenth Amendment, beginning with the 1873 Slaughter-House cases, the tide retreated.Report